Lesser Race 12: Continuation of the Subgradient #8

Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 8:25 am

Fair enough, but this makes them a lesser race how? Every race in tamriel has parts of there own culture which makes them seem bad. Most Kajhiit are theives, Altmer are stuck up snobs, nords are all brawn and no brain, imperials are power hungry, greedy, and selfish etc.
You see, that is just being ignorant. You are going by stereotypes alone, while the Bosmer are required by their religion to eat their own deceased.

However, I suppose this doesn't make them a lesser race by default. However, they are weaker beings, their main strength being archery and stealth. They are not good swordsmen like the Nords, nor are they good mages like the Altmer. They are similar to the Khajiit in their stealth skills (makes sense, as the Bosmer and Khajiit were once the same race), but they lack the versatility that the Khajiit have. There are 17 breeds of Khajiit, ranging from Alfiq (housecats who are as powerful of mages as the Altmer are) to the Pahmar-raht (basically a gigantic intelligent tiger)
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:58 pm

Fair enough, but this makes them a lesser race how? Every race in tamriel has parts of there own culture which makes them seem a lesser race. Most Kajhiit are theives, Altmer are stuck up snobs, nords are all brawn and no brain, imperials are power hungry, greedy, and selfish etc.
Most of those are stereotypes, not part of the race's culture. Many Khajiit are thieves, but certainetly not most. Many Altmer are (rightfuly) snobs, but I don't see how that makes them weak. Nords, contrary to popular belief, are not stupid, , (There are exceptions, like all races) and have proven this many times throughout history. Imperials aren't power hungry/greedy/selfish any more than the other races. You're thinking of the Empire.
Bosmer are bound by law to accept their weakness, what you named as (false) weaknesses for the others were stereotypes.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:51 pm

These threads are awesome. When one becomes locked or goes over the post limit, we just start a new and it starts all over again. :D
Yup, they're my favorite on the forum!
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:25 am

Yup, they're my favorite on the forum!

And proof that the internet is not made out of pure rage!
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:08 am

He was. Ask the lore guys, they'll tell you the same thing.
Micheal Kirkbride wrote a story listing Ysgramor and 500 Companions individually, Little Stompy Robot was named in the work :read:
I have voted Nord in every poll as the Strongest Race, Khajitt as the weakest due to having an addiction to Skooma, which can be made with the common Morrowind coastal weed known as Marshmarrow. An addict can be easily controlled and manipulated.
I voted Ka'Po-Tun as strongest, they have had a Dragon Emporer who does think about conquering Tamriel as soon as Akavir is unified under him. Tsaesci are weakest, IMO at this time in history, they should have used Heavy Armor from the beginning :nod:
EDIT Orsimer also have been known to traditionally eat thier own dead, does this means they are weak, too?
I spent many months in Oblivion in fear of talking to any beggar because of what happened with a Bosmer in Morrowind, and anyone who played Morrowind with Tribunal knows that same fear, or is a lying braggart.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:42 pm



And proof that the internet is not made out of pure rage!
Indeed. Over twelve threads regarding a fairly controversial subject, no real fights have broken out. There've been a couple of heated arguments, but they were productive and related to the topic. There was little rage involved.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:34 am

You see, that is just being ignorant. You are going by stereotypes alone, while the Bosmer are required by their religion to eat their own deceased.

However, I suppose this doesn't make them a lesser race by default. However, they are weaker beings, their main strength being archery and stealth. They are not good swordsmen like the Nords, nor are they good mages like the Altmer. They are similar to the Khajiit in their stealth skills (makes sense, as the Bosmer and Khajiit were once the same race), but they lack the versatility that the Khajiit have. There are 17 breeds of Khajiit, ranging from Alfiq (housecats who are as powerful of mages as the Altmer are) to the Pahmar-raht (basically a gigantic intelligent tiger)
Yes you're right, i wasn't really thinking about it enough. But i still dont see how Bosmer are inferior as they are THE best Archers of course, even better than the kajhiit. Sure they have weaknesses but doesn't every race?
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:18 am

Yes you're right, i wasn't really thinking enough about it enough. But i still dont see how Bosmer are inferior as they are THE best Archers of course, even better than the kajhiit. Sure they have weaknesses but doesn't every race?
Not every race is as physically weak as the Bosmer. Those that are make up for it with greater powers (like the Altmer and Bretons). I like the Bosmer, but I too believe them the weakest race (barely though, Argonions are right there with them). Their skill in archery doesn't hold up to what other races are capable of. Nor does the Wild Hunt.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:44 pm

Yes you're right, i wasn't really thinking about it enough. But i still dont see how Bosmer are inferior as they are THE best Archers of course, even better than the kajhiit. Sure they have weaknesses but doesn't every race?

Every race does have a weakness, but the Bosmer have many weaknesses, but only one strength
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:06 am

I think the best way to judge the races as supperior or inferior are by looking at the history of Tamriel, since just looking at common traits for a race isn't going to do much good. You can spin those around pretty good to support all races against the others.

The races I see as the "strongest" or supperior based on this are the Nords, Altmer, Dunmer, Imperials and Ra'Gada.

The Nords conquered most of northern Tamriel in the past and drove the Falmer into exile. The Altmer have held their island for mot of history and taken the Bosmer and Khajiit under their rule. The Dunmer managed to take back Morrowind from the Nords and retain most of its traditions even when they were in contradiction with Imperial Law, and they endured 80 years of war with the Reman Empire before it fell to the potentates. The Imperials managed to become the ruling race for the Empire. And the Ra'Gada destroyed their homeland before they came and drove the elves out of Hammerfell.

I don't think there is one supperior race.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:19 pm

Not every race is as physically weak as the Bosmer. Those that are make up for it with greater powers (like the Altmer and Bretons). I like the Bosmer, but I too believe them (barely, Argonions are right tgere with them) the weakest race. Their skill in archery doesn't hold up to what other races are capable of. Nor does the Wild Hunt.
But they are also resistant to diseases and can command wild creatures, they are also the most peacfull race which i like. I hate The war hungry races.They are relatively nimble and quick in body and wit compared to their more civilized Elven cousins also. Oh and they are talented in the art of alchemy.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:05 am

I think the best way to judge the races as supperior or inferior are by looking at the history of Tamriel, since just looking at common traits for a race isn't going to do much good. You can spin those around pretty good to support all races against the others.

The races I see as the "strongest" or supperior based on this are the Nords, Altmer, Dunmer, Imperials and Ra'Gada.

The Nords conquered most of northern Tamriel in the past and drove the Falmer into exile. The Altmer have held their island for mot of history and taken the Bosmer and Khajiit under their rule. The Dunmer managed to take back Morrowind from the Nords and retain most of its traditions even when they were in contradiction with Imperial Law, and they endured 80 years of war with the Reman Empire before it fell to the potentates. The Imperials managed to become the ruling race for the Empire. And the Ra'Gada destroyed their homeland before they came and drove the elves out of Hammerfell.

I don't think there is one supperior race.
I agree with all but the Imperials. They didn't obtain most of that land through might, but through peaceful means. The most powerful ones they did conquer by force were with the Numidium or other races' help. I don't think this holds up in an argument of might.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:58 pm

But they are also resistant to diseases and can command wild creatures, they are also the most peacfull race which i like. I hate The war hungry races.They are relatively nimble and quick in body and wit compared to their more civilized Elven cousins also.

Unfortunately, being peaceful is more of a disadvantage than an advantage. Their tendency to avoid conflict only makes them easier to conquer.

Nimble in body does not make one powerful. The ability to avoid damage does not necessarily make one strong, it just makes one fast.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:07 pm

I agree with all but the Imperials. They didn't obtain most of that land through might, but through peaceful means. The most powerful ones they did conquer by force were with the Numidium or other races' help. I don't think this holds up in an argument of might.
This. Imperials......
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:30 pm

I agree with all but the Imperials. They didn't obtain most of that land through might, but through peaceful means. The most powerful ones they did conquer by force were with the Numidium or other races' help. I don't think this holds up in an argument of might.
Well, that is sort of my point. They used the others to become the dominating force on the continent, and continued to use them to keep it that way for a long time. They might not be the "migthiests" of the races, but they have proved to be capable of placing themselves on top of them all. If that is not something to add to the "impressive feats" list, I don't know what is. The fact that they ended up ruling the continent is the reason I listed them there.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 11:50 am

But they are also resistant to diseases and can command wild creatures, they are also the most peacfull race which i like. I hate The war hungry races.They are relatively nimble and quick in body and wit compared to their more civilized Elven cousins also. Oh and they are talented in the art of alchemy.
Like I said, I like the Bosmer. I respect them for trying to be a peaceful people, but this in itself makes them weaker than the other more warmongering races. They are good archers yes, but that just isn't enough of an advantage to make them strong. I have to say, the Argonions are the only race that I believe may be weaker.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:03 pm


Well, that is sort of my point. They used the others to become the dominating force on the continent, and continued to use them to keep it that way for a long time. They might not be the "migthiests" of the races, but they have proved to be capable of placing themselves on top of them all. If that is not something to add to the "impressive feats" list, I don't know what is. The fact that they ended up ruling the continent is the reason I listed them there.
It's an impressive feat, but not a proof of might, which is what the thread is about.

If anything, it's a proof of other races' might.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:31 am

Well, that is sort of my point. They used the others to become the dominating force on the continent, and continued to use them to keep it that way for a long time. They might not be the "migthiests" of the races, but they have proved to be capable of placing themselves on top of them all. If that is not something to add to the "impressive feats" list, I don't know what is. The fact that they ended up ruling the continent is the reason I listed them there.

More emperors were Breton than Cyrodillics. Hell, even Tiber Septim was a Nord. The Cyrodillics are not powerful at any one thing. "Jack of all trades, Master of none"
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:44 am

It's an impressive feat, but not a proof of might, which is what the thread is about.
The poll specifies whih are supperior "overall", so I'm gonna have to disagree there.
More emperors were Breton than Cyrodillics. Hell, even Tiber Septim was a Nord. The Cyrodillics are not powerful at any one thing. "Jack of all trades, Master of none"
I am not talking about the Septim Empire alone, but also the Reman Empire. And who the Emperor where isn't that important because it was still the Cyrodillics who ended up as the ruling race overall, with their culture being exported to other nations along with their government.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 5:39 pm

Unfortunately, being peaceful is more of a disadvantage than an advantage. Their tendency to avoid conflict only makes them easier to conquer.

Nimble in body does not make one powerful. The ability to avoid damage does not necessarily make one strong, it just makes one fast.
If anyone tried to invade Valenwood they would have a very hard time as the bosmer would have the advantage in knowing there homeland surroundings so that they could blend in and not be seen while picking off invaders in the shadows one by one. Guerrilla warfare at it's finest.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 1:24 pm

If anyone tried to invade Valenwood they would have a very hard time as the bosmer would have the advantage in knowing there homeland surroundings so that they could blend in and not be seen while picking off invaders in the shadows one by one. Guerrilla warfare at it's finest.
So this. Then if things get really [censored] up, they have the Wild Hunt as a last resort.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:15 am

If anyone tried to invade Valenwood they would have a very hard time as the bosmer would have the advantage in knowing there homeland surroundings so that they could blend in and not be seen while picking off invaders in the shadows one by one. Guerrilla warfare at it's finest.
No argument here. Valenwood would be very difficult to take by force. But let's flip it around. Do you think the Bosmer could actually invade any of the other nations (hypothetically of course)?
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If anyone tried to invade Valenwood they would have a very hard time as the bosmer would have the advantage in knowing there homeland surroundings so that they could blend in and not be seen while picking off invaders in the shadows one by one. Guerrilla warfare at it's finest.

That goes for any race, however. Even the Argonians - perhaps the weakest race of them all - are able to defend their homeland. The Second Aldmeri Dominion was quite able to invade Valenwood, even with guerrilla warfare, the Bosmer fell quickly
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:50 pm

That goes for any race, however. Even the Argonians - perhaps the weakest race of them all - are able to defend their homeland. The Second Aldmeri Dominion was quite able to invade Valenwood, even with guerrilla warfare, the Bosmer fell quickly
I don't think I'd classify the Argonians as weak, seeing their actions of the 4th Era and the Oblivion Crisis. If I were to put any one race as the weakest, it would be the Orsimer. They are great individual warriors, but that has not been enough through Tamriels history. They simply haven't been able to build themselves to be a powerful force to contend with the other races.
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Post » Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:16 pm


The poll specifies whih are supperior "overall", so I'm gonna have to disagree there.

I am not talking about the Septim Empire alone, but also the Reman Empire. And who the Emperor where isn't that important because it was still the Cyrodillics who ended up as the ruling race overall, with their culture being exported to other nations along with their government.
Ah, they've changed the poll from the last thread's mightiest. My mistake.

I still disagree, the guy that managed to conquer all the provinces (Tiber Septim) wasn't even an Imperial, he was a Nord. And what they didn't take. Through politics, they used the Numidium to rotflstomp.
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