My bad. Sorry I got so defensive. Hard to tell intentions over a computer screen.

Considering that Sheogorath says he was there for the Oblivion Crisis and says things like he knew about a severed head which references Matthew Bellamont's mother's head during the DB questline, a fox which is capitalized which most certainly means the Gray Fox of the TG questline, butterflies which appear when the CoC enters the Shivering Isles and is one of the few to not go insane from going there, and cheese. Those hints highly indicate that this Sheogorath is in fact the CoC

Just read your post closer. Didnt realize C of C was champion of cyrodiil. We're arguing same thing. Kind of overlooked that part. Other guy made it sound as if Sheogorath's original self was still there, not the Champion of Cyrodiil, which is what I thought he meant. Read my post, you'll c I say the same thing with the link.

The reason I was confused is because Sheogorath appeared as himself in Skyrim, not Jygallag, but since the C of C is him and since the champion of cyrodiil doesnt have a "canon" appearence, that would make sense, and since he has the power of Sheogorath in his staff. I thought that was the same Sheogorath from Oblivion and was confused since I thought he was gone for good. Didnt know C of C could appear as him.

I'd be happy to lend my sword to your cause! But be wary; Daedra are not to be underestimated, much less a Daedric Prince!

Your will must be absolute. Taking on the Prince of Corruption is no task for the weak hearted.
You must be cunning. Daedric Princes are quite clever, but they can be bested.
Your skill must be up to the task.

Molag Bal could sneeze on you and you would die. You hate them but Molag will just laugh at you feeble attempts at trying to harm him.

I dnt need to harm him. I'll embarass him by killing his followers and [censored]ting on his altar. Hey, look, I have a star now! Yay! lolz. Whats a curate?

My Morrowind/Oblivion character has stood toe to toe with Dagoth Ur, Vivec, Almalexia, Hircine, Mehrunes Dagon, Mannimarco, and Jygallag.

His descendant, whom carries the strength of his forefather through that sacred bloodline, has defeated Alduin, and absorbs the souls of dragons for power.

Your Lord of Corruption has met his match.

You won't kill him. Not if my vampire has anything to say to it!

(Crossbolt to the throat) Dont worry, he wont.

As a aside does anyone know for a fact you can marry Serena. Please only answer if you have. I have read after you finish the main Dawnguard quest you can if you are unmarried and wearing amulet of mara.

No you cant. Searchbar

I for one am on Molags side, we pass Serana back and forth for fun. Its all in good spirit, really. Just use protection... Serana has been.... "corrupted."

Not sure if serious. If you are, you should realize that Daedric Princes are WAY greater than any of those characters. If Molag actually wanted you dead, you would be dead. Daedric Princes are stronger than aedra so unless you're able to best Akatosh or Talos in a fight, you aren't anywhere NEAR close to being considered a threat to ANY Daedric Prince

We dont know whose stronger between Aedra and Daedra for sure, but I saw Mehrunes Dagon get his ass whooped by Akatosh, so I'm giving it to them. Even though Daedra cant die, it doesnt mean they're more powerful, and Alduin says "even the daedra fear me!"

It's true that Vivec's power had probably diminished by Morrowind, nevertheless, if my character can beat Vivec, he's likely around the same par as a Daedric Prince, seeing as how not a SINGLE DAEDRIC LORD is on Michael Kirkbride's list.

If you don't know, Michael Kirkbride is responsible for a lot of the lore around the Elder Scrolls.

Really guys, we are attempting to form a lynch mob after a Daedric Prince?

Right well.....looks like Coldharbour is getting a lot more souls for the pits....

Molag Bal wouldn't mind more souls .

Trinimac is more powerful than Vivec yet Boethiah eat him like he was nothing. You also forget that Talos is an aedra and lore STATES that Daedric Princes are stronger than Aedra since Daedric Princes didn't give up their power to make the world. Daedra aren't included in the list since they ARE more powerful than anyone on that list so the list would become a daedric prince strength list.

Boethiah doesn't prefer open combat, unless we are talking about Oblivion Boethiah. See? They seem to change frequently. We don't know the circumstances of how Boethiah defeated Trinimac


Lorkhan is an Aedra. Talos is a man whom became a god. Big difference. And how then did the mere projection of Akatosh's spirit defeat Mehrunes Dagon?


Again, how then did a mere projection of Akatosh's spirit manage to beat Mehrunes Dagon in all of his destructive glory? And what makes you think Michael Kirkbride would say "Oh Daedra don't count, they are OP". Nocturnal got something stolen from her, TWICE! Molag Bal can't punish an old man who's captured by the forsworn without a champion.

Edit: Actually, Nocturnal has been stolen from 3 times. 2 times the Skeleton Key, once her Cowl. Nocturnal, the patron of thieves, getting stolen from. Sounds powerful to me all right

Akatosh's projection only managed to push Dagon back into his realm not actually defeat him in combat because otherwise how is he still alive? As for Nocturnal, you do realize that the questline shows that she was expecting her followers to keep it safe and she knew it would be returned. You forget to mention the fact that Karliah states that if Nocturnal was really angered with the group, she could have killed them all instantly so Daedric Princes are more amused by mortals. Don't forget that essentially Daedric Princes ARE their realms so you would have to defeat the embodiment of that respective part of the Daedric Prince which would never happen or do you really think you can defeat destruction, domination, or nightmares?

Defeat =/ Kill.

I never said I could kill a Daedric Prince, I said I could defeat one. It's very true that Daedra cannot die, and my character isn't so arrogant to assume that he can destroy the abstracts you mention. However:

A Daedric Lord can be defeated. Simple as that.

He was defeated, Daedra cant be killed, but Akatosh still obviously has more power. Like I said, just because he cant die, doesnt mean he's stronger. Also Karliah definitely didnt say they would be killed instantly. She said that if she were mad, they'd know it. Thats not the same thing as "killed instantly".

Mortal: Your end of terror is over...

Molag Bal: What are you going to do give me a massage(Sarcastic Remark) mwahahahah

Mortal:

Molag Bal: you pity fool, How about I turn you into a red vile pile of bloody paste, I'm sure your soul will like being my slave in Oblivion...

Them Molag grabs the Nord and rips him in half while laughing and feeds them to his crowd of blood hungry Death Hounds and starts laughing hard...

I'm surprised this thread is 9 pages already, beth isn't gonna let you off him unless they are removing him from the series most likely. Considering he generates this much talk this fast they might keep him unless they start getting nagged by people for having a Prince of [censored] and corruption in the game, or perhaps some kind of government regulation.