Its a pity that my character cannot skin then after killing one. Argonians leather boots, armour and soup. Those eyes pop them like graqes.

Are you kidding?
The Nerevarine ruined everything, for everyone.
Sure, he defeated Dagoth Ur, but did he -have- to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan and rob the Tribunal of their power? Did he really?
Let's ignore the fact that, once robbed of his power, Vivec was no longer capable of keeping the Ministry of Truth aloft. And that efforts to do so not only resulted deaths of hundreds of innocent people whose sould were used to fuel the Ingenium, but also failure to keep the Ministry aloft, the destruction of Vvardenfell, the eventual creation of Umbriel (The Infernal City) and the deaths of thousands more. Lets ignore all that and just discuss the cultural impact the Neravarines actions had on the province of Morrowind and the Dunmer people.

Imagine devoting your whole life; your hopes, your dreams, your love, your faith, your wishes. . . Imagine attributing all these things to a God in whom you truly trust to watch over you and keep you and those you love safe from harm. Now, imagine that's all ripped away from you. You suddenly understand that what you once believed to be a god is no more than a farce, a farce that, in the end, abandons you completely. A whole culture was crushed by the Neravarine. Thousands of people whose whole lifes were turned upsidedown by this supposed hero; and for what purpose? The destruction of the Sixth House? I'm sure the Tribunal could have handled Dagoth Ur if he became a big enough problem. The Neravarine is damn near a villain.

The tribunal were false gods, mortals masquerading as gods. Their power faded as they lost their connection the heart, and eventually would have faded back to mortality. They betrayed Nerevar and kept power for themselves. I took great pleasure in slaying Almalexia and Vivec. The destruction of most of morrowind was divine punishment for their transgressions.

Mortals masquerading as gods, and doing a damn fine job of it.
Without the Tribunal, all of Morrowind would have been consumed with Daedra worship. We'd have seen the Oblivion crisis much sooner, me thinks.

Who cares if they betrayed Nerevar? I certainly don't... I'm sure most native Morrowinders didn't really give a whole lot of thought to this thousand year old grudge. The whole conflict was a personal vengeance quest for the Neravarine that resulted in unknowable death and destruction. Way to be, Nerevar, way to be.

Daedra worship. Am I the only one that prefers Azura more than those fake Tribunal? Almalexia was bat [censored] crazy. And Vivec was an arrogant fool.

Perhaps, but they were much more concerned for the welfare of the Dunmer than any Daedra.

Okay you got me, my neravarine was an argonian and it was my intention all along.

That's why we didn't invade sooner, I was all like "Yo hist daddies, hold up on that invasion, I'm bout to do work!."

Vivec was the only false-god whose intentions were genuinely benevolent.

From that perspective, you're right, the Nerevarine is a bad guy. Maybe he somehow knew everything would fall apart soon and that's why he fled to another continent?
That just goes to show that even the greatest "heroes" of the Dunmer people are completely worthless.


But let's not forget the Champion of Cyrodill's part on this, he's the one who gave the Umbra to Clavicus Vile in the first place.

hm but the dunmer treat boethia as their main deadric ancestor though i recal dagon and boethia not being on good terms

It's all a matter of perspective. "History is written by the winner" as it were.
the tribunal are seen as false gods only because they lost, because they were once again made mortal and were stripped of their power. Prior to that occurence, the only Dunmer who viewed them as "false" were those few were still hung up on how they screwed Nerevar. Everyone else knew them as true gods, actual gods; mortals who had been deified, yes, but just as legitimately divine as any other god.

I bet Nerevar is chilling on the beach in Akavir, blissfully ignorant of the schieze that went down back in tamriel. Or he was told by Azura, and left before it happened. Something told him to leave.

Canonically he's a dark elf, and elfs for live for hundreds of years, so.

Signature.

That is all.

Gross.

How about I use your logic for a second, If the dunmer were to stop wimping out by staying on safe land and fight in a more dangerous place thay would lose. Seriously, it makes no sense to ridicule a races strength based on the dangers of thier homeland... it's a tactical advantage that won't change any time soon, there's no point in whining about it.

No one is looking for morality, furry.

It's a simple cause and effect anolysis of the events that played out after the conclusion of Morrowind. The Nerevarine was the catalyst that caused untold degrees of death and destruction. No one said he was wrong in doing so, his cause was just enough (in his mind at least) and it seemed like a good idea at the time. It's just that, in retrospect, it seems like a little foresight could have been used to stop the descent of the Ministry of Truth before the Nerevarine just pulled the plug on the whole operation. It's not as though Vivec doesn't explain the consequences of it falling to the player during the course of the main quest.

If you think to ask about it he clearly states that, should it fall, all hell will break loose because it's a damned meteor.

I'm playing one right now, don't usually though. Most of the time I'm a Khajiit but I felt like trying a new race that's not human/elf. >.>

Pfft. Vivec pretty much said "Stop worshiping me and I'll drop this moon on you."

Why back in the day... when Ral Jiktar and myself RAN these boards for the Argonian lovers
Hot damn I miss that guy xD...and my old account

Someone remind me what the story with the ministry of truth was again? Some Daedric lord sent it and Vivec stopped it. I think it was Mehrunes Dagon or Molag Bal, but I can't remember.

Not only do Dunmer lives for hundreds of years, the Nerevarine is biologically immortal. Mainly because he almost became a zombie.

Well, it's not as though he put it there. He -did- stop it from smashing into Vvardenfell after all.
Pretty sure he didn't summon it to Tamriel as a means of extorting worshippers into worshipping hiim.

rofl.
I miss Vivec.




@guy asking about the Ministry of truth
From what I remember...

Why, it was our lovely Mr.Sheogorath himself who did it. Supposedly it's a part of his Shivering Isles [ I think ] which he sent crashing down on Vivec City for no apparent reason at all.
He was probably playing golf with Haskill or something and it went horribly wrong. Or right. He's mad after all, is he not?

Sure, he didn't summon it. But he still used it as such.

And this is why I stabbed him in the face in Morrowind. It was nice.

Because he extorted the loyalty of the Dunmer by not allowing a Daedric prince to drop a meteor on Vvardenfell, you stabbed him in the face and dropped a meteor on Vvardenfell?

This is called irony, kids.

Either way the Nerevarine is an idiot.