Agreed, OP. Just because we play on console doesn't mean we have to like the UI. God, I miss having eight slots.

I think you have hit the dragon on the head there for me as well slategrey.

Skyrim is not the first nor will it be the last sadly that designs a UI around the lucrative console market, and then just slaps that in front of PC users. I have never seen this approach work as there is such a difference between playing with a controller that looks like it was bought from a childrens toy store and a ￡100+ gaming mouse and keyboard. If only developers would realise that one UI does not fit all, then the games market would be a better place..... I mean when you look at how much time has obviously been spent on developing the game, how many days would it take to create a UI for the PC?

Anyway.... also agree with your other points, and I might also add that I cant make my mind up yet if I like this new talent tree/skill tree setup..... it has some nice aspects to it, but I did like the 'being able to do everything on one character' kind of thing. Only lvl 20 at the min, so i guess time will tell!

"Bloody Hell its a Spiky Flame Belching Homicidal Dragon!!!!", but also '*insert swearword* what the hell was that noise, its damn scary in here' which seems to be my most often used phrase recently as dead people smack their way out of coffins

^ It's exactly this sort of ignorant, arrogant attitude that stops me feeling sorry for PC gamers. [censored] you.

imho OP you're delusional ...while this game might lack in certain areas that appeal to x player I much prefer this iteration and package that is the game.

let's be honest, oblivion was a crashfest of a game when it came out. the engine had major code issues, memory limitations and just problems all around that ranged from fatal end user non fixable bugs to texture implementation problems. of course while we don't yet know the ins and outs of the skyrim backbone this game has been my first elder scrolls experience where I wasn't living in fear of a crash or corrupt game (yet anyway lol). I've played about 20 hours and haven't experienced a single issue with the engine. The game has been crash free, runs at a crazy framerate completely maxed out and is fluid and fun. I couldn't play vanilla Oblivion like I do Skyrim.

I am much looking forward to the future. Whether by DLC, an expansion or the modding this game will only get richer. If this engine can take mods without inducing crippling game seizures then this will be perhaps the best RPG that gaming has yet known. Oblivion has a fantastic modding community and exceptional ideas and game content. I'm hopeful that some of the talented modders enjoy skyrim's potential as much as I do right now. They can introduce anything an end user wants.

Just because Bethesda didn't deliver what you wanted doesn't mean it won't become a reality. My humble advice is play the game for what it is, savour and enjoy what is a remarkable progression for role playing gaming.


I don't miss Oblivion in the slightest. I'd love for the mod quest packs to get ported over the Skyrim so I can actually play them. That would be heaven.

I agree that the levelling system and the UI are bad, but at the same time, I feel as though Skyrim's strengths outweigh those problems enough that it's still a very good game - certainly better in many ways than Oblivion.

Does that mean I prefer Skyrim to Oblivion? I'm not sure yet. I really need to experience Skyrim with mods first. At the moment, i'm comparing vanilla Skyrim to modded Oblivion, and modded Oblivion is winning.

DirectX 11 support means you can enable DirectX 11. Without that key detail, nobody is getting the benefit of DirectX 11 optimizations. This game only runs in DirectX 9. Hopefully that will change later, as they promised this support.

Ummm..it IS better than Oblivion on every possible level. Skyrim is now the best in the series.

Also the OP lost all validity for calling console owners kiddies. Talk about immature. Not EVERYONE can afford some top of the line , amazing PC to handle Skyrim. I really wish the PC people would stop holding it over our heads as if console owners are somehow inferior and stupid for not playing on PC. I have my copy for the 360. No I don't have any regrets and yes it is a good console. Everyone has a right to buy PC, PS3, or 360 and not get put down and made to feel stupid for their choice. It's just a game after all. The idiots who play the superiority card because of the type of system they play it on just irritates the hell out of me. No one is more inferior or superior to anyone else over a freaking video game. Grow up and get with reality selfish elitists. Drop the "holier than thou" stuff it doesn't amuse or intimidate or make anyone conform to what you think.

I never thought I'd yearn for Oblivion.

And I don't.


Oblivion is trash in comparison to Skyrim. Especially when you compare the release versions of both games.

Honestly, what I miss most about Oblivion were the mods. I seriously had nearly a hundred running by the end, and just about nothing in my game was vanilla except for the overall shape of the landscape anymore.

Modded character models, modded weapons and armor, modded race, modded in companions, doing modded in quests, staying at modded in houses, casting modded in spells while looking at it all through a modded interface.

Mods will make Skyrim a wonderful game, I'm sure... it's just the fact that it'll take a year or so for them to all get up-to-date from the work done on Oblivion.

Well he definitely didn't say it in the nicest way, but he's right. The UI was customized for consoles and was never given a single tweak in the PC version, despite the fact that it's incredibly un-inuitive and wasteful of the PC's capabilities. Hell, you couldn't even CLICK menu options until installing that day one patch which they rushed out the door as a poor excuse for PC optimization.

If you think Skyrim is the best in the series only because it beats Oblivion, you are the one whose validity is in question.

Also, I just went to http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/ and found out that my PC meets the minimum specs. Shouldn't be too surprising, since it's about as old as my Xbox (2007) but it's all off the shelf. I was going to wait till I built my new comp, but I might buy it tomorrow.

I'm missing something like .3 megs of RAM and the video card could be better for recommended specs but w/e. A comp from 2009 could probably play it no problem.

It does make console owners angry though, which is enough for those kinds of people.

stellar point

I would go one step further and say Morrowind is crap compared to Skyrim.

It's just as well I don't care for popularity, eh?

I have to agree about the removal of spells. The removal of open lock and feather is a massive knife in the back of alteration. Also, I think that players wielding a sword and shield or two-handed weapon should be able to cast one spell.

Interesting rant, though I do agree with your point that not ALL console owners are kiddies.

Whats probably pissing a lot of PC owners off is that there is so much MORE that could have been done for the PC version. Its like buying a Jaguar and being forced to drive it at 20 miles an hour.

I understand that doing it the way they did makes commercial sense for them... doesn't mean I have to like it, it just means I have to live with it.

Its not about feeling superior, its about being made to use an interface that makes little sense on a PC.

Nah that's [censored]. Direct damage magic was actually useful in Morrowind for one. It had FAR more skills and diversity for viable builds for another. Not even mentioning that the stories in Morrowind and Skyrim are virtually the same. Great hero, only you can prevent forest fires save the world, etc and so forth.

Oblivion really wasnt that great of a game... It had so many problems that people still complain about to this day. Now I agree about the console bit but thats a problem with the entire industry not just skyrim. Console players are the chosen people and we the pc gamers are the red headed step children. In return for being treated as a second class citizen we have the ability to mod our games... that is if we even have the game released for us (Im looking at you Rockstar).

Yeah consoles svck and they're holding back the entire industry (technology wise). But what do you do when you can sell garbage obsolete crap? Continue selling garbage obsolete crap.

I never said anything like that. Why are you questioning my "validity" just because in my OPINION, I prefer Skyrim over the other games? My preference for Skyrim over the other games calls my "validity" into question? It doesn't make what I said invalid at all. I still think I made a valid argument towards the OP. He is an idiot for his "kiddie" comment as well as everyone else who plays that "I play on a superior console that you're stupid for not playing on" crap.

the only thing that really bothered me was the UI because of played it on console for 7-10 hours before I picked up a PC copy. It was just jarring to transition at first. On console it works so well, it's just a dream. but it should never have made it over to PC the way it is.

having played about that same time on PC now I'm ok with it. My fingers and brain are learning to use it but it did take some time.


we severely need an option to scale the UI though. it's ridiculous right now especially for perk trees.

Yeah I played the Elder Scrolls to death with a couple of new male and female characters. I can see the same will happen with this version. The only thing I am finding a bit daunting is the combat. Having to wrench the camera around and having everything slow down when engaged in battle is a wee bit awkward. The exploring and sheer size of a world where I can go anywhere I want easily nullifies the lesser stuff.

I got my majik GPS (clairvoiance), a lunar sword, one dragon under my belt,.... bring it on!.

Congrats Bethesda, epic job.
Cheers

A 2011 computer is in every way superior to a console released 6 years ago. The technology is obsolete. People arent stupid for pointing out the obvious.

No, but they are if they call console owners, "kiddies'

If you miss oblivion then....
GO PLAY OBLIVION!!!