[Laura]

Betray... o my... people are crazy

Creation kit, steam workshop, HD textures, etc...

i'm a PC player, and i say one thing, Morrowind has sold much more on the first xbox.... yes, the first Xbox (!), no PS2 and others.

lol support from players like you.

With your logic i ll not be surprised if TES 6 will be only for Xbox. Or Bethesda doesn`t made the Creation kit for PC gamers next time.
I think, that quote of Ridley Scott will be in place but for games:
"I think movies are getting dumber, actually. Where it used to be 50/50, now it's 3% good, 97% stupid. Hollywood is an industry, it's not an art form, therefore they have to address the bottom line."

[Vickey Martinez]

I didn't read all the threads so I'm not sure if it has been mentioned before: The localized versions - French, German, Spanish, Italian - have been release about two weeks later than the English version. The 30-day Xbox exclusivity might end 30 days after the release of these versions. That would be around August 10th.

So a mid-August release, maybe August 14th, seems likely.

[Nikki Hype]

Pete Hines:

Just sit tight. We'll have info soon.

[Kirsty Wood]

Meh, as a pc player I don't really feel betrayed because we already have certain privileges, well maybe to some extent, but I feel sorry to the PS3, Xbox got exclusivity, PC got console command, creation kit, etc, PS3 got.... Nothing.

[Steve Bates]

The silence is broken! New tweet from Pete Hines says we'll get info soon. Halelujah, some communication at last.
Edit: Twitter seems to be acting up, probably due to the olympics and whatnot. The 2 new tweets aren't showing up consistently, so I'll copy/paste them here.
"@pbjustin92 for PS3 everything from 1.6 is rolled into the 1.7 patch we announced and hope to have out soon for all 3 platforms. "
"@eldarmark Just sit tight. We'll have info soon. "
The second tweet was responding to someone asking about the PC/PS3 release of dawnguard.

Hallelujah!

[Scotties Hottie]

Whew. Faith in Bethesda restored.

[Danii Brown]

It better come out within the next 2 weeks, no excuse to take any longer.

[jessica breen]

While I realise any kind of negative comment regarding the preferential treatment toward the xbox platform is pretty much pissing in the wind I am forced to rattle my impotent, broken and rusty sabre anyway. I've been a staunch supporter of gamesas and the ES series all the way from Morrowind, buying everything ElderScrolls for PC as soon as it became available. I even took up the modding banner in 2004 and carried on through Oblivion. I had Skyrim's extortionate collector's edition on pre-order for 6 months and looked forward to any and all expansions with much anticipation. I still saw the ES games as PC games, particularly as the emphasis seemed very much on modability. But that was naive wasn't it? I don't even feel outraged now at the lack of communication, even ignorance toward any but the Xbox players... its more a sense of apathy and disillusionment. This is the reward for unflinching loyalty for the last 10 years is it? A sad reflection of the corporate modern world where a quick fix and quicker cash means more than customer loyalty and a sense of community. I was proud to be an ElderScroller but that has passed and now I'm more than likely not even going to bother when Dawnguard does appear for PC. I've moved on... the break-up has closure if you like. I do own an Xbox too... and a PS3 for that matter... but have no interest in supporting or endorsing this ridiculous platform favouritism. [/pointless emotional outburst]

[Cathrin Hummel]

Sorry, but our KGB now works on Wall street and we cant get you more information

Um son the KGB was disbanded before you were born.

[Killer McCracken]

i think people just need to be patient and wait. theres obviously a reason why it hasnt been released yet, if it was ready for release dont you think bethesda would release it? they've got their money from microsoft, the 30 day deal is finished, as soon as they release it they'll be getting more money. there most likely just fixing more bugs before its released. if they released it as soon as the 30 days was over, and it was full of bugs people would just go from complaining about DG not being released to complaining about how can it be released with them bugs

[Matt Terry]

i think people just need to be patient and wait. theres obviously a reason why it hasnt been released yet, if it was ready for release dont you think bethesda would release it? they've got their money from microsoft, the 30 day deal is finished, as soon as they release it they'll be getting more money. there most likely just fixing more bugs before its released. if they released it as soon as the 30 days was over, and it was full of bugs people would just go from complaining about DG not being released to complaining about how can it be released with them bugs

We're not so much angry that it's not out yet as we are disgusted at the complete lack of communication thus far. Also, no PC player with a brain would complain about bugs considering it takes 2 seconds to circumvent or fix just about any bug imaginable via console commands.

[Joie Perez]

Um son the KGB was disbanded before you were born.

Just re-branded, not disbanded!
Don't be naive, son.

[louise tagg]

i think people just need to be patient and wait.

Helpful... This has gone way past having patience. Keep a monster hungry for long enough, it will escape and destroy anything in its path. In my case patience has become rampant apathy and I now lack the energy to type my card details in when the time comes.

[TOYA toys]

"@eldarmark Just sit tight. We'll have info soon. "

Soon, or Soon^tm?

[Catherine N]

At this point it looks like the 30 day period meant 30 days after the release of the translations. However, have all of the translations been done yet (e.g. Japanese)? If not then we're going to have to wait until 30 days past the last translation (which could have been the FIGS, could be the Japanese, or...?). I also suspect Bethesda can't say anything about this one way or the other due to exclusivity-related NDAs. All the same it's frustrating and annoying. I might still buy the DLC for Skyrim (if mods I'm interested in will require it), but beyond that it's no longer a release-day priority.

Not that Microsoft are exactly blameless in this sorry mess, though.

[Emmi Coolahan]

I would not be surprised in we PS3 users don't see dawnguard until a form of complete edition comes out, as with Oblivion's game of the year. If this is the case it makes me wonder what my loyalty to the game counts for. I purchased the collectors edition, and the oblivion anniversary edition, for the extras. Why is my money worth less than anyone else's?

I would be surprised if we did not see dawnguard on PC before this but personally, this all seems like bad business. One game's DLC is not going to make me switch console, I'll just quit the game, there are always other ones to play.

[The Time Car]

Bethesda is giving us the cold shoulder.
Nothing new, just business as usual (Bethesda style).
They don't really care about us...

[Marta Wolko]

The silence is broken! New tweet from Pete Hines says we'll get info soon. Halelujah, some communication at last.
Edit: Twitter seems to be acting up, probably due to the olympics and whatnot. The 2 new tweets aren't showing up consistently, so I'll copy/paste them here.
"@pbjustin92 for PS3 everything from 1.6 is rolled into the 1.7 patch we announced and hope to have out soon for all 3 platforms. "
"@eldarmark Just sit tight. We'll have info soon. "
The second tweet was responding to someone asking about the PC/PS3 release of dawnguard.

Actually Pete answered to a tweet why Dawnguard was cancled for PC and PS3:

eldarmark: @DCDeacon Wait, so is there any particular reason why #Dawnguard for PC/PS3 was canceled? 360 version too buggy? Didn't sell? #Skyrim
DCDeacon: @eldarmark Just sit tight. We'll have info soon.

If you want, you can understand this, that there will soon be info why the DLC was cancled

[Markie Mark]

I think there's a sort of NDA (Non-Disclosure-Agreement)

In addition to the temporal exclusive, beth is prevented from saying "out first on xbox, but will be released in a month on PS and PC" because it would have devalued the agreement with the xbox. And reading the comments of users in this forum I can say: Mission Accomplished! (maybe too LOL)

dawnguard was released on July 10 for the xbox is not English, then that day probably the" xbox's exclusive" expires

PS, for pc players, go to statistics in skyrim, besides the already known factions exist this line "dawnguard missions completed". They will release dawnguard, but (very very very) obviously the problem is when...

[Dona BlackHeart]

If you want, you can understand this, that there will soon be info why the DLC was cancled

Actually that is exactly how it reads. Its not exactly a satisfactory response either considering that is the sum total of communication thus far. Where is your loyalty to us Hines? Was a time when I could message a developer here and get a response within 24 hours... and I mean a real response, as though it was typed by an actual human being that cared what I thought.

[Nitol Ahmed]

Actually Pete answered to a tweet why Dawnguard was cancled for PC and PS3:

eldarmark: @DCDeacon Wait, so is there any particular reason why #Dawnguard for PC/PS3 was canceled? 360 version too buggy? Didn't sell? #Skyrim
DCDeacon: @eldarmark Just sit tight. We'll have info soon.

If you want, you can understand this, that there will soon be info why the DLC was cancled

I HIGHLY doubt it was cancelled. eldarmark was simply misinformed and pete was saying there will be info on the PC/PS3 release soon.

[Lalla Vu]

I think there's a sort of NDA (Non-Disclosure-Agreement)

In addition to the temporal exclusive, beth is prevented from saying "out first on xbox, but will be released in a month on PS and PC" because it would have devalued the agreement with the xbox. And reading the comments of users in this forum I can say: Mission Accomplished! (maybe too LOL)

dawnguard was released on July 10 for the xbox is not English, then that day probably the" xbox's exclusive" expires

PS, for pc players, go to statistics in skyrim, besides the already known factions exist this line "dawnguard missions completed". They will release dawnguard, but (very very very) obviously the problem is when...

Pretty much as I said a few posts earlier. Also, if there's going to be a Japanese translation, we may have to wait 30 days beyond that (and that's assuming that it'd be the last translation).

[April D. F]

Hello again,

This is continuing from my last post ([Edit: So, im not allowed to post links as it turns out, my last link was pointing to a post on the last page of part 12 for this thread] ) where I posted data showing how long in days we have had to wait to see Bethesda DLC appear on all platforms after its initial release for xbox. The data set included the DLC's for Fallout 3, Fallout New Vegas and one DLC for Oblivion. Before moving on its important to note that the anolysis given on the previous post was a quick and dirty anolysis just meant to get the ball rolling for other people who are more studied in statistics, economics, and psychology than I. This post isn't much different but goes a little further with the quantitative anolysis. The point of showing the averages with the standard deviations was to loosely test the hypothesis that the 'time to wait' for all platform relase for each DLC was relatively the same to all other DLC's 'time to wait.' From the large std. dev relative to the average we can begin to suspect that this isn't the case. Furthermore, from plotting the data we can see a overall trend that the 'time to wait' has been decreasing for each subsequent DLC released by Bethesda (Yay, evidence that Bethesda may be 'listening' to its disgruntled fan base). So, for this anolysis I simply tried fitting the data set with the ommited data points (see link[now edit] above for the original post) to a linear model. The statistical summary of the fit:


Residuals:
1 2 3 4 5 6 7
-34.821 39.214 14.250 -3.714 -7.679 -17.643 10.393

Coefficients:
Estimate Std. Error t value Pr(>|t|)
(Intercept) 269.857 22.186 12.164 6.64e-05 ***
x -31.036 4.961 -6.256 0.00153 **
---
Signif. codes: 0 '***' 0.001 '**' 0.01 '*' 0.05 '.' 0.1 ' ' 1

Residual standard error: 26.25 on 5 degrees of freedom
Multiple R-squared: 0.8867, Adjusted R-squared: 0.8641
F-statistic: 39.14 on 1 and 5 DF, p-value: 0.00153

Sadly, the forums won't let me post a nice pretty graph (image) for everyone to see. So we get a linear model of ['time to wait' = -31.036*x +269.857] where 'time to wait' is the time in days we have to wait before the DLC is released on all platforms after the initial release on xbox and x is the iteration of DLC released that has had a Microsoft-funded delay.

so for the next DLC (Dawnguard) we would have a value of x = 8 and taking into account the residual std. error, giving us:

'time to wait' = approx. 47.822 days = -31.036*8+269.86+26.25

or, in other words a release date around 8/12/2012 (m/d/y) for Dawnguard DLC on all other platforms.

Again, I don't think a linear model is an accurate description of the data but this anolysis gives a different way of interpreting the data with a different possible prediction for the release date. This isn't meant to be a 'serious' attempt but to be something slightly better than guesswork and more quantitative and logical in nature.

Thank you for your time,

Yuki

[Jordyn Youngman]

Um son the KGB was disbanded before you were born.

1. It was some kind of sarcasm. 2. Next time try to watch profile before call somebody as "son".

[yessenia hermosillo]

Meh, as a pc player I don't really feel betrayed because we already have certain privileges, well maybe to some extent, but I feel sorry to the PS3, Xbox got exclusivity, PC got console command, creation kit, etc, PS3 got.... Nothing.

we didnt get nothing...
we got unfinished game
more bugs than in a locust swarm
being ignored about the problems
no compensation(PC &PS3 should get)