[Dustin Brown]

I'd just like to remind everyone of this: http://cdr.thebronasium.com/app/211720

The CDR is a record of data that describes every steam game and subscription provided by Valve for the Steam service.

As seen in the link;

DLCForAppID =http://cdr.thebronasium.com/app/72850 . Clicking on the "72850" link leads to this; http://cdr.thebronasium.com/app/72850

Skyrim.

Here, even the store page has that exact same ID in the link; http://store.steampowered.com/app/72850/ .

I posted this a thread ago, but i'm pretty sure most people might have missed it. The game files (For PC) are already on Steam and in possible internal "testing". I'll just hold onto the theory that we will at *least* see the PC version come out.

[tegan fiamengo]

Actually he's got a great point. The amount of naivety, self entitlement, assertions and assumptions, conclusion jumping and ignorance on these forums is going to give me a brain tumour.

I think I already have one.

[Bek Rideout]

The amount of naivety, self entitlement, assertions and assumptions, conclusion jumping and ignorance on these forums is going to give me a brain tumour.

I find this charged atmosphere kind of funny.

1. PS3 still has yet to recieve patch 1.6. I can't think of any reason why we don't have it or why we shouldn't. They just announced 1.7 and we have yet to see 1.6. How fair is that?

Pete tweeted that they had problems with the 1.6 patch on PS3 and all changes are build into 1.7 that should be released on the PS3.

Sigh....the 30 days are NOT up yet.....I am 100% sure Microsoft paid for a 30 day exclusive for ALL their Xbox 360 versions....that would include the FIGS ones that were released on July 10....that's why Beth can't talk about release dates for other platforms yet

Doesn't Skyrim also got a Japanese version(released some months after the other versions)? Will we have to wait for this, too?

I also think the different localized versions might be the problem. But then they just could tell, that the 30 days aren't over...

[lucile]

I find this charged atmosphere kind of funny.



Pete tweeted that they had problems with the 1.6 patch on PS3 and all changes are build into 1.7 that should be released on the PS3.



Doesn't Skyrim also got a Japanese version(released some months after the other versions)? Will we have to wait for this, too?

I also think the different localized versions might be the problem. But then they just could tell, that the 30 days aren't over...

Is there a Japanese version? Never heard one word about one. I'm sure that they aren't allowed to tell us when the 30 days is up because of the NDA. Microsoft wouldn't want us to know for sure.....after all they're using this exclusive time to try and sell more Xboxes and xbox games

[Rinceoir]

Actually your example is far from perfect. Given the first, there are a number of automotive suppliers that do supply different auto makers. Secondly, it's just funny. On one hand we have a company building a product to be used on three different platforms. They have then modified said product but so far for only one platform. In your example there is a company building a product to be used on one particular platform...

I suppose you may need to further research the auto industry before you use them as an example. And may also need to keep to the instructions and not be so insulting to everyone.

Actually, I have worked in the auto industry, specifically using the example I gave, third party manufacturers of auto parts are in no way obligated to make those parts for all platforms/makes. Yet again, a prime example of the lack of maturity and knowledge (and understanding that comes with it) displayed in these self-involved posts. Thid party parts providers do, indeed, provide parts across platforms/makes. HOWEVER, they are in no way obligated to let gear-heads, manufacturers, mechanics, or retailers know when or if they're going to release Honda Civic manifold replacements for the 2012 model year, even if they have produced those manifolds for the last 20 model years. They'll simply not be listed in parts catalogs (exactly what we have here) and contacting the company is unlikely to produce any useful information other than to let them know that there is still demand (exactly what we have here).

As far as "accepting business practices", the "whites only" straw man thrown out is ridiculous. The common practices I've outlined are in use because they're conducive to a company's production, schedules, and continued existence. Again, something very few here seem to understand. Bethesda owes you absolutely NOTHING. You paid for Skyrim, you got Skyrim. Just as if you paid for a novel or movie DVD. Nobody involved in either is obligated in any way to provide you any information whatsoever about sequels, director's cut releases, added scenes/chapters releases, etc. Nor are they even obligated to inform you that those releases will only be issued in Serbian and distributed only to Peloponesian island nations. The only interest anyone here could possibly have in Bethesda/Zenimax business practice, and their products/production is if they have INVESTED in them. Buying their products is NOT an investment in a company.

[Noely Ulloa]

As much as I love Bethesda, if I get shafted again(PS3 owner), I will no longer be spending my money on their products. If there is DLC for a game I love and they give it to x-box..... nuff said.

[Reven Lord]

My problem does not lie in the wait time. Sure I'm a little impatient as I jumped the gun with the information and already started planning characters. But my problem lies in two aspects (I'm on PS3 btw):

1. PS3 still has yet to recieve patch 1.6. I can't think of any reason why we don't have it or why we shouldn't. They just announced 1.7 and we have yet to see 1.6. How fair is that?
2. No information on a release. This also really annoys me. The 30 days are up, and there is no exclusivity anymore. Anyone in any business would be more than willing to have a set release date. And don't bring up "Oh they are working on fixing bugs". Bullsh**. If they were that concerned, they wouldn't have released Skyrim as early as they did without fixing the bugs.

its painfully obvious that they didnt care about bugs only game release and what else money

[remi lasisi]

As much as I love Bethesda, if I get shafted again(PS3 owner), I will no longer be spending my money on their products. If there is DLC for a game I love and they give it to x-box..... nuff said.

Better save your money now then

The next dlc for skyrim is also exclusive to the Xbox for 30 days

[David Chambers]

Actually, I have worked in the auto industry, specifically using the example I gave, third party manufacturers of auto parts are in no way obligated to make those parts for all platforms/makes. Yet again, a prime example of the lack of maturity and knowledge (and understanding that comes with it) displayed in these self-involved posts. Thid party parts providers do, indeed, provide parts across platforms/makes. HOWEVER, they are in no way obligated to let gear-heads, manufacturers, mechanics, or retailers know when or if they're going to release Honda Civic manifold replacements for the 2012 model year, even if they have produced those manifolds for the last 20 model years. They'll simply not be listed in parts catalogs (exactly what we have here) and contacting the company is unlikely to produce any useful information other than to let them know that there is still demand (exactly what we have here). As far as "accepting business practices", the "whites only" straw man thrown out is ridiculous. The common practices I've outlined are in use because they're conducive to a company's production, schedules, and continued existence. Again, something very few here seem to understand. Bethesda owes you absolutely NOTHING. You paid for Skyrim, you got Skyrim. Just as if you paid for a novel or movie DVD. Nobody involved in either is obligated in any way to provide you any information whatsoever about sequels, director's cut releases, added scenes/chapters releases, etc. Nor are they even obligated to inform you that those releases will only be issued in Serbian and distributed only to Peloponesian island nations. The only interest anyone here could possibly have in Bethesda/Zenimax business practice, and their products/production is if they have INVESTED in them. Buying their products is NOT an investment in a company.

Stop derailing the discussion to irrelevant auto industry issues.
The discussion is about gaming>Bethesda>Elder Scrolls>Skyrim>Dawnguard.
The main problem is Bethesda's inability or unwillingness to communicate with the fans/customers.
The second problem is customer discrimination.

[Rach B]

As much as I love Bethesda, if I get shafted again(PS3 owner), I will no longer be spending my money on their products. If there is DLC for a game I love and they give it to x-box..... nuff said.

Why not just buy the xbox instead? That would certainly solve one problem...and you don't have to spend $1000 to do it either.

Personally I don't care if it ever comes out for pc or ps3, I'm not buying it either way. Nothing about it even remotely interests me. Scratch that, the only thing that interests me are the Snow Elves, but that's not nearly enough to entice me into purchasing it.

[Lizzie]

Actually, I have worked in the auto industry, specifically using the example I gave, third party manufacturers of auto parts are in no way obligated to make those parts for all platforms/makes. Yet again, a prime example of the lack of maturity and knowledge (and understanding that comes with it) displayed in these self-involved posts. Thid party parts providers do, indeed, provide parts across platforms/makes. HOWEVER, they are in no way obligated to let gear-heads, manufacturers, mechanics, or retailers know when or if they're going to release Honda Civic manifold replacements for the 2012 model year, even if they have produced those manifolds for the last 20 model years. They'll simply not be listed in parts catalogs (exactly what we have here) and contacting the company is unlikely to produce any useful information other than to let them know that there is still demand (exactly what we have here).

As far as "accepting business practices", the "whites only" straw man thrown out is ridiculous. The common practices I've outlined are in use because they're conducive to a company's production, schedules, and continued existence. Again, something very few here seem to understand. Bethesda owes you absolutely NOTHING. You paid for Skyrim, you got Skyrim. Just as if you paid for a novel or movie DVD. Nobody involved in either is obligated in any way to provide you any information whatsoever about sequels, director's cut releases, added scenes/chapters releases, etc. Nor are they even obligated to inform you that those releases will only be issued in Serbian and distributed only to Peloponesian island nations. The only interest anyone here could possibly have in Bethesda/Zenimax business practice, and their products/production is if they have INVESTED in them. Buying their products is NOT an investment in a company.

ya but what happens if u buy car and its bugged but u cant get it fixed at the dealership cuz they dnt have the right parts because they might be in high demand for this part but the third party company just ignores them and sells the parts in germany or japan instead, you might say that legally the dealership is responsible for the car and not the third party company, but in this situation berhesda can't shun responsibility over the game( like a third party company can a car) its not the same difference BGS released some very bugged games to the PS3 but it wasn't overwhelming until now it freezes every 5 min in beginning of every playthrough takes me forever to get past helgen i have asked please release another patch but nothing came. BGS is responsible for this if they are not who is?

[Gemma Archer]

As much as I love Bethesda, if I get shafted again(PS3 owner), I will no longer be spending my money on their products. If there is DLC for a game I love and they give it to x-box..... nuff said.

Go buy a real PC instead of paying $600 for an outdated one : /

[Stephanie I]

Thanks to the Steam summer sale I grabbed up enough games that I probably won't even boot up Skyrim for a while. In fact, for the twenty buck price tag of Dawnguard I grabbed Mass Effect ($10) and Mass Effect 2 ($10). For the same price I also grabbed Dead Island ($10), Dead Space ($5) and Dead Space 2 ($5).

By the time I'm finished playing my new stuff, Dawnguard may not even be attractive anymore. Moreover, since having to wait so long inevitably resulted in my learning so much about it before I got a chance to play it, I may as well keep waiting until Dawnguard goes on sale next summer.

[lucy chadwick]

The main problem is Bethesda's inability or unwillingness to communicate with the fans/customers.
The second problem is customer discrimination.

I think both of these things would be less of a "problem" is some folks on here had a sense of how industry works. Which is probably why KDodds went out of his way to make his point.

Saying: "I feel annoyed that Bethesda haven't given us any information about a release date" is one thing. Commenting on Bethesda's business practices - unless you're an expert with some insider knowledge - is another thing. The problem on the forum here is that the two are frequently being run together. Someone feeling annoyed or aggrieved does not imediately translate into Bethesday doing awful business practice.

I also think that the bugs issue needs to be kept separate from the DLC release date issue - again, folks are running different issues together as though they're the same thing, and the result is producing an incredibly flimsy Straw Bethesda Man to bash.

[Carolyne Bolt]

The amount of naivety, self entitlement, assertions and assumptions, conclusion jumping and ignorance on these forums is going to give me a brain tumour.

Then you're doing it wrong. Take nice, relaxed posture, grab some popcorn, and enjoy the drama Who needs TV when we have internet discussion boards?

[patricia kris]

I just read the threads #11, #12 and now this one, and I have to say that Im amazed that so many people still going to buy this DLC.

Its clear to me that the best way to show our (mine) disappointment is not buying this product. Eventually, on a steam sale, I may buy it...but my little protest will be not giving my money to support this kind of commercial strategy.

Thank you thank you thank you! If they still make good money off of the PC and PS3 users, Bethesda will continue to do this, and I will not have my Fallout 4 experience ruined!

[kelly thomson]

Then you're doing it wrong. Take nice, relaxed posture, grab some popcorn, and enjoy the drama Who needs TV when we have internet discussion boards?

Siggin' this

[Dewayne Quattlebaum]

I think both of these things would be less of a "problem" is some folks on here had a sense of how industry works. Which is probably why KDodds went out of his way to make his point.

Saying: "I feel annoyed that Bethesda haven't given us any information about a release date" is one thing. Commenting on Bethesda's business practices - unless you're an expert with some insider knowledge - is another thing. The problem on the forum here is that the two are frequently being run together. Someone feeling annoyed or aggrieved does not imediately translate into Bethesday doing awful business practice.

I also think that the bugs issue needs to be kept separate from the DLC release date issue - again, folks are running different issues together as though they're the same thing, and the result is producing an incredibly flimsy Straw Bethesda Man to bash.

well I feel bugs are apart of this since we are waiting for DG because of bugs after all, but I agree that I dnt know anything about the industry and I doubt anyone on here does except maybe a small percent. but think about it they release game 8 months ago and it had freeze every 10 min or everytime u enter a new room bugs but they still release game, and now DG is delayed because of bugs that they had 8 months to workout, and im not saying that it is bad but it looks bad, wouldn't you agree its suspicious, especially the deal with MS that makes them even more suspicious, then they wont say anything which makes them look even more suspicious. it looks like MS is still paying them not to release. and BGS allowed things to look this way they are handeling this poorly.

[Chloé]

I think both of these things would be less of a "problem" is some folks on here had a sense of how industry works. Which is probably why KDodds went out of his way to make his point.

Saying: "I feel annoyed that Bethesda haven't given us any information about a release date" is one thing. Commenting on Bethesda's business practices - unless you're an expert with some insider knowledge - is another thing. The problem on the forum here is that the two are frequently being run together. Someone feeling annoyed or aggrieved does not imediately translate into Bethesday doing awful business practice.

I also think that the bugs issue needs to be kept separate from the DLC release date issue - again, folks are running different issues together as though they're the same thing, and the result is producing an incredibly flimsy Straw Bethesda Man to bash.

No one here is questioning the legitimacy of Bethesda's marketing strategy, it might work, hell for all we care it could be the best. What people are upset with is that the company is using this strategy to make money at the expense of consumer happiness. The greediness and unprofessional take on the release of information makes this whole strategy terrible and should never be used, it makes the consumer feel like a red headed step child.

[Iain Lamb]

Man this is [censored]

[censored] yea Dawnguard works on steam.. It's Skyrim, does Skyrim run on steam? Do we have have the 1.6 patch etc. Like this easily is the worse miss communication/lack of communication I have ever personally had the experience of witnessing in video games history.

Zenimax, Bethesda, Pete hines whatever, yal svck

[roxxii lenaghan]

I just read the threads #11, #12 and now this one, and I have to say that Im amazed that so many people still going to buy this DLC.

Its clear to me that the best way to show our (mine) disappointment is not buying this product. Eventually, on a steam sale, I may buy it...but my little protest will be not giving my money to support this kind of commercial strategy.

I just read the threads #11, #12 and now this one, and I have to say that Im amazed that so many people still going to buy this DLC.

Its clear to me that the best way to show our (mine) disappointment is not buying this product. Eventually, on a steam sale, I may buy it...but my little protest will be not giving my money to support this kind of commercial strategy.

Agreed. If we are to get any response to our disappointment, it'll be with our money. Hit a corporation by keeping your money away from its wallet and you get results. So, in other words, boycott BGS products and they'll get the hint.

[Hilm Music]

Agreed. If we are to get any response to our disappointment, it'll be with our money. Hit a corporation by keeping your money away from its wallet and you get results. So, in other words, boycott BGS products and they'll get the hint.

That would be awesome, but not enough people (not even close) to enough people would follow through with that. I personally would have difficulty not buying Dawnguard even though it is highly likely not going to release weeks after PS3 finally gets the 1.7.

[Paula Ramos]

I think there's a sort of NDA (Non-Disclosure-Agreement)

In addition to the temporal exclusive, beth is prevented from saying "out first on xbox, but will be released in a month on PS and PC" because it would have devalued the agreement with the xbox. And reading the comments of users in this forum I can say: Mission Accomplished! (maybe too LOL)

dawnguard was released on July 10 for the xbox is not English, then that day probably the" xbox's exclusive" expires

PS, for pc players, go to statistics in skyrim, besides the already known factions exist this line "dawnguard missions completed". They will release dawnguard, but (very very very) obviously the problem is when...

When I downloaded the 1.7 beta patch for pc from Steam and the patch was installed, the "Dawnguard missions completed" was gone, removed, up in smoke and so on, don't know why.

[Mrs Pooh]

There is very little info in that announcement but every info is important! Why mention that the release for XBox is already available worldwide? The NDA doesn't allow them to give more info on Danwguard but this indirect info could mean that the latest release for XBox worlwide has not yet been done 30 days ago. So he can't tell anything else . Was the last release the 10th july? Then we have to wait at least till the 10th august to have some more info...

[alyssa ALYSSA]

to anyone that wants honest answers from BGS im srry u prolly wont get it IDK who told them not to communicate but that is the wrong move, most devs atleast will try to save face but BGS just sits there. BGS should instead see that we are intelligent human beings and we can understand their current situation(if situation is honest and not in MS pockets to prolong the release) but it just seems that they are too afraid to answer our questions, it only symbolises their guilt. so because we the fans got nothing else to go on but facts and facts tell us something else is going on so until BGS answer our questions about what happened I will not be buying DG or anything from them I will not tolerate a lying dev company