[Red Sauce]

Yeah, people definitely are entitled. Our society, and the companies that sell us stuff, have done a very good job convincing people that entertainment is important. Guess what, entertainment is NOT important.

My entertainment, your entertainment, anyone's entertainment, is NOT important enough to warrant any amount of anger or frustration. You are talking about sitting around and playing a video game, there are very few things on this planet that are any less important than this.

People need to realize that despite what the companies selling you things want you to believe, being entertained is not a priority, a right or a cause to fight for.

Well said.

[Steeeph]

Well considering the bug density of this DLC, as it has been shown in some reviews (i.e.: kotaku) it is better if bethesda is going to polish and debug Dawnguard before it comes out for pc and PS3.
Borderlands 2 is wonderful way to wait for this dlc. I'd say that if you will play Borderlands 2 you will risk to completely forget Dawnguard!

Don't ever listen to Kotaku, just don't, they are a blight and over half of their staff needs fired.

[kristy dunn]

Yeah, people definitely are entitled. Our society, and the companies that sell us stuff, have done a very good job convincing people that entertainment is important. Guess what, entertainment is NOT important.

My entertainment, your entertainment, anyone's entertainment, is NOT important enough to warrant any amount of anger or frustration. You are talking about sitting around and playing a video game, there are very few things on this planet that are any less important than this.

People need to realize that despite what the companies selling you things want you to believe, being entertained is not a priority, a right or a cause to fight for.

Well said, good point. I second that. Even tho you're right, the world we live in doesnt always agree with such an opinion.

[Meghan Terry]

I hope, as a pc version owner, that you are right. I personally haven't seen mods really effective in fixing the bugs.

Then you're looking in the wrong places.

[Jake Easom]

Its amazing that the first DLC for Skyrim is coming out 9 months after the game release, when for Fo3 we already had 4 in that time, 5th on its way

Five DLC's in the first 9 months??? Wow, makes you laugh really. Think about the amount of stuff they would have intentionally left out of the original game, just to make you pay money for later. Smart business I suppose.

Seriously though, I would not like to see them do that with TES. Creating a good proper dlc should take time, plus working on any needed patches. Like they said with Skyrim. Make the game, take a little time off. Look at a good dlc. I like what that does for us as the customers.

[saharen beauty]

Yeah, people definitely are entitled. Our society, and the companies that sell us stuff, have done a very good job convincing people that entertainment is important. Guess what, entertainment is NOT important.

My entertainment, your entertainment, anyone's entertainment, is NOT important enough to warrant any amount of anger or frustration. You are talking about sitting around and playing a video game, there are very few things on this planet that are any less important than this.

People need to realize that despite what the companies selling you things want you to believe, being entertained is not a priority, a right or a cause to fight for.

I agree ppl are impatience but just bcause its a video game doesn't mean tht u can promise a release date, not deliver on said release date, and tell everyone to get a life and not communicate with customers(im not saying Bethesda did that just using example)and if said release date is a month off with no form of communication I feel ppl are entitled to complain(again Im not saying Bethesda did that just using example)

[luke trodden]

Yeah, people definitely are entitled. Our society, and the companies that sell us stuff, have done a very good job convincing people that entertainment is important. Guess what, entertainment is NOT important.

My entertainment, your entertainment, anyone's entertainment, is NOT important enough to warrant any amount of anger or frustration. You are talking about sitting around and playing a video game, there are very few things on this planet that are any less important than this.

People need to realize that despite what the companies selling you things want you to believe, being entertained is not a priority, a right or a cause to fight for.

I'm pretty sure gaming is the only hobby where this phenomenon of 'entitlement' is thrown about, particularly by the stupid. They aren't giving me anything, I'm paying for it. It is absolutely fair to expect to equal treatment for a purchase. If anyone threw this kind of comment around in any other economic sphere, people would be rightly saying that egalitarianism in the market is a given, not something you might be treated to if you're lucky.

You also bring in the relevance of games into the context of global importance. Such a false comparison I have rarely seen.

[Ells]

"Nothing has been said/announced about it. We should have info later this week." Sigh. Looks like the fall semester will start before it's released. I won't have the money to buy it after I pay more than $400 for my books. Of course, even if I could afford it after school starts, I wouldn't exactly have a whole lot of time to play it. So much for that.

[Hairul Hafis]

Five DLC's in the first 9 months??? Wow, makes you laugh really. Think about the amount of stuff they would have intentionally left out of the original game, just to make you pay money for later. Smart business I suppose.

Seriously though, I would not like to see them do that with TES. Creating a good proper dlc should take time, plus working on any needed patches. Like they said with Skyrim. Make the game, take a little time off. Look at a good dlc. I like what that does for us as the customers.

My sentiment exactly! I wonder how they werent able to do this kind of "smart business" with their biggest game series. Fallout 3 was the company's first Fallout game and they made it a huge success, partly because of the great DLC material, and the fact that the DLC material kept the game alive for a much longer period of time.

[KU Fint]

but this forums is about customer entitlement(because we are entitled to great customer service)

Interestingly I was looking at who was posting in these threads and I see that with this one 13 members have made 58 posts out of the 80ish. Looking back at the last two, 9 members made 50% of the posts in those threads. Draw your own conclusions.

however in this case we should let Bethesda hav time to fix bugs and stuff, I agree tht we shouldn't be jumping dwn their throats,

Well yes, but I also note that one member who joined these forums has done so only to post in this series of threads, I will draw my conclusions from this.

[celebrity]

I'm pretty sure gaming is the only hobby where this phenomenon of 'entitlement' is thrown about, particularly by the stupid. They aren't giving me anything, I'm paying for it. It is absolutely fair to expect to equal treatment for a purchase. If anyone threw this kind of comment around in any other economic sphere, people would be rightly saying that egalitarianism in the market is a given, not something you might be treated to if you're lucky.

You also bring in the relevance of games into the context of global importance. Such a false comparison I have rarely seen.

I agree we did not entitle ourselves for good customer service the industries does all of them including gaming industries, frank said it himself tht gaming companies tell us entertainment is important they also tell our satisfaction is important they also tell us our feedback is important tht is not self entitlement. we have been entitled by the industry. I agree tht we should be patient for now, the xbox exclusive just ended and I don't feel Bethesda is handling this so bad thus far. more info this week tht is quite prompt. they are smart they know tht we are entitled to info because they entitled us

[Harry Leon]

This DLC will break the framerate again on PS3, just like Fallout 3 and New Vegas. There's still PS3 players that are going to buy this and support this company after the crap they've done? Terrible port on launch, still no mounted combat which is absurd, and the DLC fiasco. DLC is one thing, but holding out on game features like mounted combat? Absurd and disgusting.

[Laura Mclean]

I'm pretty sure gaming is the only hobby where this phenomenon of 'entitlement' is thrown about, particularly by the stupid. They aren't giving me anything, I'm paying for it. It is absolutely fair to expect to equal treatment for a purchase. If anyone threw this kind of comment around in any other economic sphere, people would be rightly saying that egalitarianism in the market is a given, not something you might be treated to if you're lucky.

You also bring in the relevance of games into the context of global importance. Such a false comparison I have rarely seen.

We were told there would be exclusivity in August 2011, months before Skyrim was even released. You purchased the game by your own will, you should have known what you were paying for. It's entirely fair for them to do what they did, it's their product, their invention. They are merely communicating their creation to you by allowing you to use it.

[Vicki Blondie]

Steam just downloaded patch 1.7. *sniff* You smell that?

[Rinceoir]

Steam just downloaded patch 1.7. *sniff* You smell that?

did you opt into the beta or is this the release version?

[Jack]

Steam just downloaded patch 1.7. *sniff* You smell that?

I just had a message saying Steam had finished downloading something for Skyrim, didn't quite catch what it was.

[Robert Jackson]

did you opt into the beta or is this the release version?

I didn't opt into it because it didn't have anything drool-worthy. But I wouldn't put it past steam to 'volunteer me' for beta testing .

[Jason Rice]

We were told there would be exclusivity in August 2011, months before Skyrim was even released. You purchased the game by your own will, you should have known what you were paying for. It's entirely fair for them to do what they did, it's their product, their invention. They are merely communicating their creation to you by allowing you to use it.

since they gave us fair warning yea but I don't think he was targeting Bethesda I sure wasn't, frank said tht because its a game we will never hav a reason to complain and tht is not true all companies should be held at a certain standard for customer service.

[Lauren Denman]

Yeah guys, 1.7.7.0.6 is now live on Steam.

[Hannah Whitlock]

Actually it looks we are all playing into Ma Beth hands. A company needs to create "hype" & "buzz" to get the customers & media involved before release of a product. What better way to do so than get the buzz going and then announce at the height of the buzz. I would bet they delay the release until August-September and state they want a quality release whether or not that happens. Tben they release the beta 1.7 to official and get us testing it for bugs before they release DG. Smart marketing in my opinion.

[Amanda savory]

since they gave us fair warning yea but I don't think he was targeting Bethesda I sure wasn't, frank said tht because its a game we will never hav a reason to complain and tht is not true all companies should be held at a certain standard for customer service.

I think you both missed the point of his comment. First world problems, eh?

The standards people expect are for the most part subjective. I don't think waiting mere days for news is anything to be up in arms about, especially when it comes to news about when a DLC will be available to a platform.

[Ridhwan Hemsome]

Yeah guys, 1.7.7.0.6 is now live on Steam.

Beta or official?

[Alyna]

Beta or official?

Official. the option to opt into beta is no longer available.

[kiss my weasel]

Yeah guys, 1.7.7.0.6 is now live on Steam.

I find that hard to believe. There wasn't even an announcement to say that it would be released... Not that i'm complaining. How do you find out what version your game currently is?

[renee Duhamel]

I find that hard to believe. There wasn't even an announcement to say that it would be released... Not that i'm complaining. How do you find out that 1.7 has gone live?

It will download if you start up steam, then from in game, press ESC to get to the menu, at the bottom left corner it will list the build version.