PS3 Release for Dawnguard. #2 : V - Skyrim

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:35 pm

Daggerfall was just as glitchy(or more) then Skyrim when it first came out.

That really doesn't help the argument. All it does is reinforce the concept that they cannot code for [censored]. And aparently never have been able to...

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:46 pm

Is it broken by design?(well, they are in bed with your arch enemy, so draw your own conclusions!).
:prod:

I tend to not jump off onto every conspiracy theory, but this one is starting to gain momentum with me.

I'm only really waiting to see how effective the 1.06 err 1.07 patch is as I can't see myself getting Dawnguard partly due to uninteresting plotlines, partly due to probable price and mainly because I can see it crippling the game on PS3.

thats if we ever see 1.7 or the phantom 1.6 patch.

Does it make sense to anyone that the platform most shafted on release is still two patches behind the other platforms? I have been saying since about dec 15, 2011 - if they care so damned much why are the patches so glacially slow in coming and paltry in the quantity?

IF the blogpost can be believed they have actually tried it with the installed game so they are trying, but given bugs that have got past the QA such as the water freezing of 1.05 I have to assume that the game must have really REALLY fallen to bits quite dramatically to get noticed. Small picky point but you can't actually delay something that has no notified release date but nevermind. :wink:

I believe they have either not bothered because they simply know it wont work, or just never bothered to start because they dropped support for the PS3 back when 1.5 was released, knew it all along and are now just trying to hold onto the last vestige of respect amongst fans.

I just want to know why with how well Oblivion worked on the PS3 with the help of 4js why they didn't get them to help again?

Money.

Beth blog post doesn't give a concrete direct answer if PS3 will receive DLC. It can be interpreted that we aren't getting the dlc.

Indeed. We are not getting even basic title support for months now, why should we expect anything different?

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:30 pm

PS3 version of Oblivion didnt receive all the DLCs like 360/PC did. Why would it be different this time, especially considering the massive save files that cause lag? Skyrim save files are alot larger than Oblivions. Every DLC is going to increase your save file. Players in the ps3 section have lag without the dlc. My guess is the bean counters dont want the developers to spend time and money on the ps3 version dlc. They washed their hands on it so to speak and will work on DLCs for 360/PC instead. Beth blog post doesn't give a concrete direct answer if PS3 will receive DLC. It can be interpreted that we aren't getting the dlc.

Exactly what I believe will happen. The way I look it, no other dlc will be released because of the difficulty they "suffered" with dawnguard. When they realize this(if they already haven't) they will probably scrap dawnguard as well. Their reasoning probably being not wanting to give ps3 gamers false hope for future dlc. Remember that dlc increases your save file, so more dlc means laggier game play. Keep in mind their simple minds can't get it done because "durr de durr" it's to hard.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:15 am

Hi, my name is ED. I'm an athletic trainer, I have no knowledge of the inner workings of the PS3 or the XBOX. I have no knowledge how hard is the PS3 to code for. However, I do know that much like Oblivion, FO3 and FNV, when I grabbed the PS3 copy of Skyrim, I compared it side by side with the XBOX 360 version. It was the same price and the PS3 version didn't have a disclaimer stating: WARNING This game works better on 360 or WARNING PS3 version will remain a work in progress that will be left unfinished. It was advertised that both versions would work the same. And that's what I expected!

So stop making the BS argument that the PS3 is hard to code for. It doesn't work on me. If they don't know how to do it then make the game an XBOX exclusive game, if the game is that good I will then buy an XBOX to play it. If I had bought an XBOX and wanted to play MGS4, Uncharted, God of War or any other exclusives I would buy a PS3 and I did only for playing MGS4 that to this day is version 1.0 and has ZERO bugs on it.

BTW, I bought the PS3 version of ME2 which was made for the 360 and it works flawlessly. It was a very good port, What does Bioware know that Bethesda Game Studios don't? What does 4j studios know that they made Oblivion run flawlessly on PS3 that Bethesda don't?

You, are absolutley correct it's simple enough to say that Beth is stuck in Microsoft's pockets.Beth have F**** me off. Sorry for my language. :brokencomputer:

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:50 am

Are they still going to release it or not because he said "but we aren’t going to release it for PS3" the way he say it makes me dizzy XD....but i hate the fact that its not going out dammit!!!!!!! been waiting for it for a long time hope if they release dawnguard it will be good and the update 1.7 will be with it DAMMIT Bethesda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:54 am

Dear PS3 users,

We here at Bethesda are just as disappointed as our fans that we are sticking the screws to our PS3 fanbase. As of this moment in time we cannot tell you whether Dawnguard will ever be released for the Playstation 3 system. However, we have been fortunate enough to be given the opportunity to release it again on the Xbox for virtually no reason so we will take advantage of this. We have also been lucky enough to offer it to the Nintendo Wii system. Here at Bethesda we are currently in our "offseason". We usually take this time to return text messages from friends, clean out our inboxes from whatever emails you might have sent us, send funny cat pictures around the office, and enjoy some time with coloring books. Please don't make us do stuff.

For your continuing support we are going to go out of our way and refurbish the beloved Horse Armor DLC from Oblivion and offer it to you at $10/per armor with the option for the price to inflate whenever we want. This shoud be more than enough to keep you happy during our "offseason".

Sincerly, Bethesda

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:56 am

scenario 1 :
1. beth release the (fully bugged) dawnguard for ps3 today
2. the ps3 users complain about it being buggy and unplayable.
3. wait another 1 month for patch to fix the problem
4. 1 month from now, ps3 users can play a better and more playable dawnguard.

scenario 2 :
1. beth doesnt release the dawnguard for ps3 because they want to make it better before releasing it.
2. the ps3 users complain about them being discriminated
3. wait another 1 month for beth to finish their work
4. 1 month from now, ps3 users can play a better and more playable dawnguard.

either way we still gonna complain and wait for (maybe) another month. so just be patient.

You kinda left a few things out of the equation did you not?

It has repeatedly been stated ad nauseum that the base coding for Skyrim on the PS3 was a quick slam over port. The game was developed using XBOX microsoft code structures and protocols. The PS3 version is a round hole with an XBox square peg slammed in it. Bethesda DID NOT optimize the game code properly, and the well documented frame lag, CTDS, and freezes still occur to this day, 8 months since the games release. The game coding is still the same mess at it's foundations, with some cosmetic work done via patches to shore it up. Any extra burdens brought on by DLC will only worsen the demands on an already fragile engine, which is more or less what Bethesda is fighting with now, as noted in their Blog post announcement today. They may eventually release Dawnguard for the PS3, but I suspect they're realizing that from a publicity standpoint, and a fiscal standpoint, the costs of making SKYRIM DLC run properly will exceed their returns.

Bethesda will be/ is damned because they sold a shoddy PS3 product, and have yet to make it right for many of their PS3 patrons. Frankly the post they made today surprises me, as its a public acknowledgement that they've got problems.

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» Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:28 am

i readed posts from people saying the reason skyrim is so glitchy on the PS3 becase Bethesda didnt put enough effort into it.
yet they dared to charge full price, i dot think this is normal, i never get paid in full by my boss for only doing a half job.
also i think the problems with DG and getting updates last are probably mostly comming because they didnt put enough effort int the PS3 version in the first place.
and before you go saying its because its more difficult to program for the PS3. i like to say tthis, Fallout3, Oblivion & Fallout: new vegas none of these games are as glitchy as Skyrim.
they have done it in the past that it is possable, how come they are not inproving and only going bacwards in quallity.
and still dare to charge the full amount for the game.
to my opinion Dawnguard should be given for free to PS3 users for al the crap they have to put up with from bethesda.
but as that is probably never going to happen they should give it o us really really cheap and then i might still consider to buy it.

I thought of the same thing the fact that us PS3 users had all the bad stuff like: Late update and late release of dawnguard i think the dawnguard should be free

Right that's it. I pledge not to buy one more Bethesda product. I am not buy an xBox or a decent pc just for 1 DLC. You xbox and PC players have no idea how we feel.

Correct. like totally correct

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:33 pm

Here is a patch that XBOX 360 or the PC won't be getting ever http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/08/03/metal-gear-solid-4-trophy-patch-hits-japan-next-week.aspx

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:33 pm

Here is a patch that XBOX 360 or the PC won't be getting ever http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/08/03/metal-gear-solid-4-trophy-patch-hits-japan-next-week.aspx

lol.. I have MGS4.. I won't be going back to it for that..

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 3:08 pm

That really doesn't help the argument. All it does is reinforce the concept that they cannot code for [censored]. And aparently never have been able to...

Or that they are over-ambitious. No other games can boast the size AND complexity of TES.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:29 am

Or that they are over-ambitious. No other games can boast the size AND complexity of TES.

Yes.. Are we talking about the quantity of the world map or the lack of Quality in the world map? Games like Witcher 2 have Way better Quality world map.. Dark Souls has a way better Quality world map.. Many GTA games have more Quantity..

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:12 am

Yes.. Are we talking about the quantity of the world map or the lack of Quality in the world map? Games like Witcher 2 have Way better Quality world map.. Dark Souls has a way better Quality world map.. Many GTA games have more Quantity..

GTA might have a bigger gaming area, but TES has way more mechanics to it. Can't comment on the witcher as I haven't got round to buying number 2, and have the collectors edition of the first one awaiting me getting a PC which can run it.

Now, I know that last bit might puzzle you somewhat, why on earth would you fork out for a CE you can't even play!?. Well. I am a collector of vintage gaming stuff, and this means I do occasionally swing into charity shops to see what I can dig up on the cheap. One charity shop had this particular CE going for ￡5. ￡5!!! Why the hell not eh?

If it's anything like DS though, much more linear design, so less area needing to be loaded = less going on at any given moment thus less stressful on whatever is running it.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:54 pm

GTA might have a bigger gaming area, but TES has way more mechanics to it. Can't comment on the witcher as I haven't got round to buying number 2, and have the collectors edition of the first one awaiting me getting a PC which can run it.

Now, I know that last bit might puzzle you somewhat, why on earth would you fork out for a CE you can't even play!?. Well. I am a collector of vintage gaming stuff, and this means I do occasionally swing into charity shops to see what I can dig up on the cheap. One charity shop had this particular CE going for ￡5. ￡5!!! Why the hell not eh? :tongue:

If it's anything like DS though, much more linear design, so less area needing to be loaded = less going on at any given moment thus less stressful on whatever is running it.

The world is huge.. There are a lot more enemies.. Bosses are a whole lot bigger.. Animations are better.. But thats obvious.. Since all of the games i listed have ladder animations.. Story in Witcher 2 is better than skyrim.. Given since Skyrim had probably the worst story.. And to be honest.. The world isn't really "Loaded".... Mechanics aren't great.. NPC's don't spawn after a certain distance.. grasses don't spawn.. Tree's turn to bad meshes... Its not to "Amazing" if you think about it.. Its merely meh..

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 12:38 pm

I am a PS3 user....I am still waiting...patiently i might add.....however, my patience is wearing thin. I hope the DLC comes to PS3 soon. ON a side note....has 1.7 been released to consoles yet?

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:43 am

I am a PS3 user....I am still waiting...patiently i might add.....however, my patience is wearing thin. I hope the DLC comes to PS3 soon. ON a side note....has 1.7 been released to consoles yet?

No, next week or two.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:16 pm

No, next week or two.

Thanks. I hope it comes out sooner than that....the sooner the patch comes out....the sooner i can play Dawnguard.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:14 pm

The world is huge.. There are a lot more enemies.. Bosses are a whole lot bigger.. Animations are better.. But thats obvious.. Since all of the games i listed have ladder animations.. Story in Witcher 2 is better than skyrim.. Given since Skyrim had probably the worst story.. And to be honest.. The world isn't really "Loaded".... Mechanics aren't great.. NPC's don't spawn after a certain distance.. grasses don't spawn.. Tree's turn to bad meshes... Its not to "Amazing" if you think about it.. Its merely meh..

Witcher 2 isn't open world though is it? Open world AND the amount of content achieved in TES games is no mean feat. I do agree, this scope deffo comes at a cost, and to me they will have taken a valuable lesson of taking their time to polish things a little more. Hopefully they'll steal some good plot-writers from somewhere too

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:51 am

Witcher 2 isn't open world though is it? Open world AND the amount of content achieved in TES games is no mean feat. I do agree, this scope deffo comes at a cost, and to me they will have taken a valuable lesson of taking their time to polish things a little more. Hopefully they'll steal some good plot-writers from somewhere too :tongue:

Open area.. There are 3 huge areas.. And 50% of Skyrim is uneeded.. Just copy and paste tree's.. Dirt... Rock.. And there are more quests in Witcher 2.. And a lot of the Skyrim quests are bad... Thanks to the writers..

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:59 pm

Or that they are over-ambitious. No other games can boast the size AND complexity of TES.

Yet 4js had no problem with Oblivion that game ran fine on the PS3 and Oblivon wasn't that small of a game with SI's added in. People can keep using the same excuses for Bethesda all they want it still comes down to they can't or don't care enough to code properly on the PS3.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:33 pm

Open area.. There are 3 huge areas.. And 50% of Skyrim is uneeded.. Just copy and paste tree's.. Dirt... Rock.. And there are more quests in Witcher 2..

The Witcher 2's world is better?

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:57 am

The Witcher 2's world is better?

Ya it is.. The forest area is amazing.. Just a beauty.. Sometimes Quality is better than quantity..

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:14 pm

Yet 4js had no problem with Oblivion that game ran fine on the PS3 and Oblivon wasn't that small of a game with SI's added in. People can keep using the same excuses for Bethesda all they want it still comes down to they can't or don't care enough to code properly on the PS3.

4J are PS3 experts though. If they are still around, the question which interests me is why did Beth not bring them on board? And are they going to swallow their dev-pride and bring them in on future titles?

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:58 pm

So were going to get a discount on Dawnguard right? I mean, that seems fair considering all of the combined BS Bugthesda put us through.

» Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:56 am

So were going to get a discount on Dawnguard right? I mean, that seems fair considering all of the combined BS Bugthesda put us through.

Bugthesda is too far up Microsoft's ass to ever even contemplate that. They'd be crazy to take money from Microsoft and then offer the DLC to Sony for a discounted price.