bethesda treats cosumers like garbage.Most of which is ps3 and most of this stuff is played on the ps3

So do we. Being loyal paying customers just got us screwed and ignored. Its really is amazing that they just keep going on as they have and basically giving us the finger.

thats almost 100% true

I have created a thread over in the Sony PS3 forums requesting assistance for answers. I would suggest efforts be placed there rather than wasting time waiting here.

http://community.us.playstation.com/t5/PlayStation-3/Sony-and-Bethesda-Skyrim-DLC-Official-PS3-request-for-answers/m-p/38731667#U38731667

Does anyone know if the 1.8 patch is out of beta testing yet?

It is. It just hasn't gone through the certification processes yet. I'm not sure if it's even been submitted yet.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/6187-Why-Boycotts-Fail-Where-Whining-Tantrums-Win and do it. Because that's all that works sadly! I don't care about Skyrim or DLC But the PR is [censored] up and it needs to change.I should say the lack of PR. The deals that Bethesda softworks makes with M$ kills games it does not make them. I don't play on PS3 I play on pc but I'm sick of their [censored].

Hasn't this whole PS3 DLC nonsense been happening since Oblivion. I know there was some madness with Fallout 3. What else did you expect.

That's not the point if they can't fix it say so. They should not have released it then.

I am sure most PS3 players have played the game on other platforms...

New on the forums, thought I'd sign up to throw in my little piece of the pie.
I purchased Skyrim on the PS3 because my gaming computer is outdated, and can barely run anything from the last two years, let alone something cutting edge. Likewise, I never purchased an Xbox because all the games I wanted were PS3, plus I have a friend with an Xbox, and could play any exclusive titles on his machine (and vice versa, good deal!)

I have owned the GOTY Oblivion, and while I did find the lack of DLC and support offputting, I still had a blast! Now Skyrim... frankly my experience was relatively bug free, I guess I'm one of the lucky ones.
I know some people loathe the concept of DLC, and don't buy games for DLC, I am not one of these people: I LOVE DLC, I love adding to the base game, I can't get enough of it! Keep me away from the store in a game like Little Big Planet or Pain! When Dawnguard was announced, oh boy, I was excited, plane of oblivion to explore? Dragonbone weapons? Arrow crafting? Sign me up!

Excitement turned to anticipation, anticipation turned to frustration, frustration turned to disapointment, and disapointment has turned to resignation. This was further added to with the disapointment that was(n't) Hearthfire. Sure, house building isn't that exciting to me, but as I said, I loves me some DLC.

Enter Dragonborn. By all rights, I should be fired up, raring to go, and dying to get my hands on this! But no, after being disapointed not once, but twice! I'm afraid that my love for Skyrim is overshadowed by this entire DLC based debacle, nevermind the fact that the PS3 version is subpar and behind on patches, these are but more flies in the ointment.

I was unaware of the debacle regarding Fallout 3 and New Vegas, so I really didn't see this whole thing coming, call me blind or ignorant if you will.
I felt a twinge when I traded in my copy of Skyrim last week, which lasted a few minutes before reality kicked in and reminded me what was REALLY going on.

Should Bethesda get their business sorted, with a supported PS3 version of Skyrim and working DLC? Well, actually I'd still seriously consider buying it again, after all, Skyrim is a truly fantastic gaming experience for me, and the fact I'm being treated as worse than third class simply because of my choice of console...

Figured I'd add to my voice to those already asking for answers.

I signed up here quite a while ago when this DG bs started, then after Hearthfire was released I decided that I was done. Its seriously been a couple months (I think) sense Ive been here and the only reason I came back was because I just heard of the new "dragonborn" DLC, and at first I felt that little sting but it quickly tuned into...nothing. I can honestly say I dont care anymore. And unless I buy the next gen xbox, which is highly unlikely, I dont think i'll be buying anything with Bethesdas name on it. As a PS3 player I just feel completely left out. And with SO many other amazing games out there Im not gonna dwell on this anymore.

Try other lines of communication for one, the forum is not the only way to reach them. Use Twitter, Facebook, call customer service and file a complaint about the product or even write a letter to them. The PS3 community is barking loudly, but maybe its time to start nipping a little. Just keep in mind be civil just like you are here on the forums you won't get far with a letter full of nasty words, or raging like the hulk over the phone.

I don't own a PS3 I am a 360 owner but I am still a gamer like you and I simply don't like the treatment your getting anymore then you do it's wrong.

It has been months since I've played Skyrim, and even longer since I've bothered reading this forum. For some reason I just can't get to sleep tonight, and after seeing this forum in my bookmarks folder I thought I'd drop back in and see what's new. Not surprisingly, it seems to be the same old story with Bethesda. I can't help but to chuckle because they're so ridiculous. Even if Dawnguard, Hearthfire, and this new DLC coming out (Dragonborn I think?) were to come out today, there is absolutely no way in hell that I would consider purchasing them. Even if they were absolutely free, I still wouldn't bother to download them. Not in an attempt to "stick it to the man", I'm just simply repulsed by the way the way the company operates and I genuinely and sincerely want nothing to do with them. Yeah, I know I'll probably miss some great releases,(probably already have actually...) but Bethesda's appalling PR is precisely the reason I skipped Dishonored, and the reason I'll ignore ANY of their future releases. It's a shame because I really, really enjoyed The Elder Scrolls games, but enough is enough. They've left a bad taste in my mouth and after a couple of months of dealing with Skyrim's technical issues, followed by months of waiting for DLC, I can safely say that I'm over them. Couldn't care less what they put out. Other developers are putting out great releases too, and I'll gladly give them my money and support. Bethesda, never again. You've done one thing perfectly, and that's turning me off of ANYTHING your company has its name on.

When you buy a game like Skyrim there is a tacit understanding that you will be able to get downloadable content for that game somewhere down the line. Because Bethesda has failed to do this, what do you think the odds are that a complaint and the demand for a refund might work?

I mean, I feel like I paid for not only the game itself but also the opportunity to play the DLC when it became available. Since they have failed to make this available in reasonable time I feel that I have been somewhat cheated out of my money. I would definitely like to get my cash back so I could buy a game from a company that doesn't mishandle and disrespect the platform that I prefer.

Hello everyone,

I've been visiting these forums since November last year but until now I didn't feel a need to join as I'm a UESP member.I've been playing TES games for almost 16 years now and I'm surprised this issue has caught so many people of guard.Some of you young'ns might not know this but Bethesda has been having PR/codeing issues long before the F:NV/TES:IV fiasco.

15 years ago after Bethesda finished TES II aggerfall they boarded the "glory-wagon" and decided to go all out by developing two TES games at once (and publish a third game IIRC).They stretched their manpower thin and the result was a game that is by far the glitchiest TES game to date (Battlespire)and a failed experiment developed/published on dated technology (Redguard).The online community was smaller back then but the outrage and anger didn't fail to reach it's target almost plunging Bethesda into the "NetherRealm" of the gaming industry.

The last decade I've been feeling a sense of Deja Vu regarding the PS3 versions of TES IV,F3,F:NV and Skyrim.It's as if Bethesda boarded the"glory-waggon" after Morrowind and hasn't stepped down ever since,stretching themselves yet again.Maybe it's that time of the cycle when they have to step off,feel the earth underneath their feet,take the air in and reinvent themselves.One can hope....

Now,getting back to our sheep,I'm not ready to give up on TES games yet.I'm still holding on to the last glimmer of hope that we'll be getting the DLCs like everyone else but,in the event that we won't get them,I won't be very disappointed.In my experience it's not the lack of DLC that turn people away from Bethesda;the bugs hold that honor.So,if Bethesda at least fixes the vanilla game for the PS3 I'll be happier then a Khajit trapped in a skooma den.

Sidenote:I've noticed that both Mr.Gstaff and Mr.Hines aren't as "active" as before (especially Mr.Hines).Has something happened or are they just avoiding the PS3 crowd?The lack of communication is the thing that escaleded this whole issue to it's current proportions so I don't understand the sudden "excess" of silence....

I've actually suggested this a few times since that tweet Hines did about most PS3 users would have no problems. Just roll the content out, slap a huge advisory of 'this is prolly crap' warning on it, and just end all of their hedging.


Personally i skipped FONV because of how Oblivion and FO3 were treated on the PS3. And i had no intention of bothering with Skyrim, but i read in various places where Hines blatantly lied about the PS3 version's development. So when i when i got Skyrim on 11/11/11(my birthday incidentally), i thought everything would be fine. I mean, who would tell a pack of huge lies with all the press that Skyrim was getting before launch?

Oh yeah, Tweet Hines would...


Ummm no? I think if that were the case, there wouldn't be so much anger about what's going on. Don't you?

Saw post i'm replying to here after i did last multi-reply, sorry:


You know, that's an excellent viewpoint. I hadn't thought about it with games before TESIII. I skipped Battlespire and Redguard because at the time i wasn't a fan of 'side stories', so i never really knew about any debacle back then. Think your take on the cyclic nature of the company has much traction as well. Especially the the use of outdated tech instead of taking the time to properly develop needed tech, Bethesda's horrible misuse of Gamebryo(and i say 'misuse of' because there have been TONS of games run in a Gamebryo variant engine that work wonderfully. Beth just never seemed too capable of programming for it) for the last 10 years anyone?

@ the bold: As much as people would like and deserve some communication from Bethesda right-the-hell-now, putting my anger aside a bit i can see why they are being silent. Makes sense from a cowardly sort of mindset.

As a company, they have been caught in various and sundry lies. On top of that, they are shamelessly treating a large portion of their customer base shabbily while courting another beyond reason. They aren't running a real business atm. It really reminds me of some of those 'Dot.com' companies that sprang up in droves a goodly ways back.

Pop up and grab as much cash as you can, while setting up a bare-bones infrastructure that will last just long enough to see you to the beach of some non-extradition country. Only like a true amateur, Bethesda didn't have an exit strat. So now they sit there silent, hoping to wait out the crap-storm they brought on themselves.

Just my opinion anyways.

The point is i and many others have tried all other available means of contacting and communicating with them, short of standing outside their offices with a megaphone, and so far we've been met with a wall of silence or rehashed company spawned excuses and spin. I know the saying is "No news is good news" but there are 2 ways to read that statement and in Beths case it's the worst way - none if their minimal news is ever good.

The sudden excess of silence its because they dont want to deal with the Huge crowd of Angry PS3 Users (myself included), They know they are wrong, they know that this is a terrible mistake that will cost a lot of money for Beth and thats why they say "we dont give up" they dont want to be the ones who tell the whole ps3 angry crowd we aint getting any dlc ever. Yes "we dont give up" but, look at the progress man! A WHOLE GAME CAN BE PROGRAMMED IN LESS THAN 3 MONTHS AND THIS GUYS TELL US THEY ARE HAVING TROUBLES WITH SOME EXTRA CONTENT? O M G....

You cant make people pay for something that isnt even finish, they are using us as beta testers of this game soy they can make a good performance in other platforms, otherwise how do you explain everyone is getting 1.8 patch exept us? Because we are their test subjects, using general codification between Xbox and PS3 (ps3 coding its not the same as Xbox but they have some general code they share).
They are waiting until the users calm down to tell us the truth, they know the impact it will cause on users, but they are still selling copys of TESS V so in order to avoid losing money they will tell us anything for a long time.

Their behaviour does give out a courting feel to it,doesn't it?I've been feeling it since they started to put out trailers for the game up until the Todd Howard interview for Dawnguard.In every interview it seemed as if the Xbox 360 was the only platform that was going to get the game (or at least the "PROPER" version of the game).You wouldn't hear anything about the PS3 version outside of the generic line of "coming out for PS3,Xbox 360 and PC".That should have been a clear warning sign for us all.

The things that really made me raise an eyebrow were two statements made by Todd Howard,one pre-Skyrim and the other post-Dawnguard.In the former he said that,I quote,"I really love the Xbox",end quote.I can't remember the context but I don't thing it really matters.He's the first multiplatform dev that I've seen confessing his love for one of the platforms in this fashion.The other one was in regards to turning content made by the community into DLCs available to every one.He said that the bigger mods,while awesome,most likely wouldn't work on the Xbox.Not "consoles".Just the Xbox.

IMO saying nothing is a horrible way to deal with a problem...

...but pooping out of your mouth is even worse so,yes,I get the reason for the "radio silence".
The reason why I asked if something had happened was that I saw a tweet made by Pete about a trip to Japan,giving him an "alibi" for not talking to us.

This latest silence from Bethesda reminds me of when my daughters were little - when they had done something they knew was naughty or was going to get them into big trouble they suddenly went very quiet, I could always tell by this sudden silence that something was amiss

Bethesda as a company acts like children - when they do something new it's always "hey look what I did", "look at me, look, look watch, watch this!", but when they misbehave or fail all you get is shuffling feet and silence followed by mumbled excuses

Just a thought perhaps Tweet Hines is off to japan to go see Sony

Couldnt be more agree

Ha!That comparison is spot on.

Yeah,I was thinking that as well,but he could just be on vacation.

Oh he talks about his trips all the time...instead of stuff pertinent to the long-standing issue of Bethesda's back-handed treatment of some of their customer base, based soley on platform. For example, i want to say it was right around the time the 30 day period for Dawnguard on 360 was expiring, he wanted to talk more about his exploits in Scandinavia than when/if PC and PS3 platforms would be getting access. Was maddening then and its even more so now all these months later.

I know someone will bring up that it is his personal twitter account he he uses. And to that i say why is he using his personal feed to give company-line statements in the first place? He is the VP of PR(Public Relations) and Marketing for goodness' sake and he can't be bothered to actually setup an official avenue to communicate with the press, customers, etc.? Well that was a bit of a rhetorical question i know since the answer is fairly obvious.