[Richard]

That update is exactly where we're at. We need to be satisfied with the performance before releasing it. Right now we're not satisfied.

Wait what? Wow you guys got low standards then because you had no problem releasing Skyrim on the PS3 the way it was. If DG isn't up to your standards then that means that it doesn't run at all lol.

[Milad Hajipour]

Gstaff.....i understand that you are a very busy man. I thank you for taking time to post in the forum to help tame some of us crazies...(no offence)


Maybe you could just answer one or a few of these questions for us...

What exactly about Dawnguard PS3 are u guys not satisfied with right now?
Can you give some specifics?

Maybe give a percentage? Are you 75% satisfied?

Maybe the DLC is 75% ready...and you have 25% more fixes?

Anything like that? We like to hear the technical issues! What exactly are you all dissatisfied with?

Would you be comfortable saying that Dawnguard PS3 will be released before Q4?


again...an answer to any of the above questions would be greatly appreciated.

^THIS

[m Gardner]

Can't cancel something that...as was pointed out by them....has never been announced to even be released on PS3

[Emmie Cate]

I visit the forums at least once a week.

So Dawnguard is not out yet? No problem. I can finish other projects and be productive. I can wait.

But let me tell you this:

I understand where you guys are coming from. Waiting is such a drag. Being deployed in Afghanistan for so long is such a drag. Believe me. But come on, give Bethesda a break. At least give them the credit that they are really working on it. Like everyone in this world, Bethesda is figthing a hard battle.

If they say they are not satisfied with the performance, then so be it. Let them enhance it. Let them learn from the flaws of their design -- so in the future they will know how to rectify any issues that may arise and be able to deliver in a timely manner.

[Luis Reyma]

I visit the forums at least once a week.

So Dawnguard is not out yet? No problem. I can finish other projects and be productive. I can wait.

But let me tell you this:

I understand where you guys are coming from. Waiting is such a drag. Being deployed in Afghanistan for so long is such a drag. Believe me. But come on, give Bethesda a break. At least give them the credit that they are really working on it. Like everyone in this world, Bethesda is figthing a hard battle.

If they say they are not satisfied with the performance, then so be it. Let them enhance it. Let them learn from the flaws of their design -- so in the future they will know how to rectify any issues that may arise and be able to deliver in a timely manner.

They have had 6 years since playstation3 has been out to "learn" from their mistakes in programing. Ps3 is harder I know blah blah blah but 6 years it's been out if they haven't learned to work it yet then thats on them plus I think they do have the money to at least get people who can hack it don't you???

[Skivs]

Cut out the borderline rude tweets and give an official(READ: not a tweet) update every week or so that indicates some actual progress; then i'll happily wait. Have someone say point-blank that the dlc is in fact going to be on PS3 within say 2 months, i'll wait quietly if that were to happen then too.

Keep the snarky double-speak tweets flowing, along with no real statement from the company beside poor Gstaff trying to keep some semblance of order; then you have me waiting quietly-not so much.

OR

Bethesda can man up and admit that they can't make the dlc work on PS3 for w/e reason and we can all call it a day. May, June, July, and now halfway through August; you've got the dlc up and running on 2/3 platforms but still "..not happy with its perfomance" on the PS3. It's 2012 guys, come on....

I'm going to go ahead and say this is a reasonable request. I have a feeling they've just moved on to the next DLC instead of focusing on fixing DG for PS3. Something about how they worded the end bit, "... we’ll continue to push for that reality," set off a few alarms. If that's true, half of me feels grateful they aren't delaying the full production of the next DLC to try and work around DG for PS3, but that other half feels nothing but pity. First the whole freezing issues at launch, then the delayed patch, now this crap. Granted we can only speculate why PS3 is getting the shaft, be it a malicious Bethesda or a difficult to work with console who knows for sure, though some are more likely than others some clarity would be nice.

[Tiffany Castillo]

They have had 6 years since playstation3 has been out to "learn" from their mistakes in programing. Ps3 is harder I know blah blah blah but 6 years it's been out if they haven't learned to work it yet then thats on them plus I think they do have the money to at least get people who can hack it don't you???

Hack it?

Kid, listen and listen good:

They would have done extreme measures just to get this DLC working on the PS3. In the business point of view, the "company" will lose a very large audience/users/followers which means money if they drop the ball at this point. They would have released the product already if everything is running on their acceptable or should I say target performance. Who doesn't want steady cash flow anyway. Simple as that.

Sure there are plethora of skilled programmers out there. No doubt. But why didn't Bethesda hired one yet? Or maybe they already did but why still having issues with DG on PS3 and seems like it's taking forever now? That's for them to know and for us to find out.

Of course they learn from mistakes in their programming. I do. DId you ever think of why they release patches (revisions) to fix a flaw or add a feature? Yes, they learned from version 1.0

[Victor Oropeza]

Except that their "Patches" usually end up breaking more than they fix for some. I myself hadn't really had any major problems due to the patches, but 1.7 is just horrible. I haven't had the lag like others have, even on big save files, but the pop-in textures are horrid. They cause a tiny studder every once in a while, especially on mounted combat.

The point is, there are lots of users that have after every single patch had bigger issues than they did before the patches came out.

[Guinevere Wood]

Hack it?

Kid, listen and listen good:

They would have done extreme measures just to get this DLC working on the PS3. In the business point of view, the "company" will lose a very large audience/users/followers which means money if they drop the ball at this point. They would have released the product already if everything is running on their acceptable or should I say target performance. Who doesn't want steady cash flow anyway. Simple as that.

Sure there are plethora of skilled programmers out there. No doubt. But why didn't Bethesda hired one yet? Or maybe they already did but why still having issues with DG on PS3 and seems like it's taking forever now? That's for them to know and for us to find out.

Of course they learn from mistakes in their programming. I do. DId you ever think of why they release patches (revisions) to fix a flaw or add a feature? Yes, they learned from version 1.0

They already lost the PS3 audience I can't see them making much money on a sony console with newer games at this point. As far as I am concerned they already dropped the ball 3 game's in a row with horrible performance on the PS3 and this one is the worst one yet.

[Sweet Blighty]

Hack it?

Kid, listen and listen good:

They would have done extreme measures just to get this DLC working on the PS3. In the business point of view, the "company" will lose a very large audience/users/followers which means money if they drop the ball at this point. They would have released the product already if everything is running on their acceptable or should I say target performance. Who doesn't want steady cash flow anyway. Simple as that.

Sure there are plethora of skilled programmers out there. No doubt. But why didn't Bethesda hired one yet? Or maybe they already did but why still having issues with DG on PS3 and seems like it's taking forever now? That's for them to know and for us to find out.

Of course they learn from mistakes in their programming. I do. DId you ever think of why they release patches (revisions) to fix a flaw or add a feature? Yes, they learned from version 1.0

haha learn from thier mistakes? go play oblivion or fallout on ps3. the only thing they have learned from thier mistakes is how to lie better.

[Talitha Kukk]

haha learn from thier mistakes? go play oblivion or fallout on ps3. the only thing they have learned from thier mistakes is how to lie better.

This. And probably learning to screw people over like a gentlemen. When they give us "information" they clearly consider us to be inbred idiots. They are failing and are stalling so they can find or think of a way to make it better. And not for our benefit either.

[Amanda Leis]

I was all ready to reply to God Rays, and then I read this:

They have had 6 years since playstation3 has been out to "learn" from their mistakes in programing. Ps3 is harder I know blah blah blah but 6 years it's been out if they haven't learned to work it yet then thats on them plus I think they do have the money to at least get people who can hack it don't you???

..and this:

haha learn from thier mistakes? go play oblivion or fallout on ps3. the only thing they have learned from thier mistakes is how to lie better.

which pretty well sums it up.

this isn't about squeezing optimal performance out of the content for us fortunate PS3 gamers. Its just more of the now chronic misinformation state of the product.

Case in point, patch 1.6/7 was delayed 3 months and its no better than the day the 1.6 beta was released for PC. Hell the 'water shader fix' is basically a no-show as plenty of people are having to delete/reinstall to workaround the water freeze problem AGAIN
.

[louise tagg]

I thought I could wait but with all this crap, I'm just getting angry, I heard DG is good, and the stupid rude comments that Pete Hines is giving us are frustrating at best. Maybe try confirming the [censored] DLC and giving us an estimate release date. Seems the only caring person on the Bethesda team is Gstaff, at least he's trying

[Jessica Raven]

Honestly guys, you also have to remember that they are running skyrim under a new engine than that of the previous releases. Just have to give them time in order for them to get it right and hope that in their future releases that they are more stable. Truthfully, I have given up on having dawnguard for now, but when it is released for PS3, I will buy it. I actually support beth in what they do because they actually make very good games (even if it has a few bugs). Also, please stop pestering the PR guy about any info about dawnguard for the PS3. He may not have the up-to-date information that the developers may have. It's called the corporate latter and sometimes information can be withheld or not moved up to the people who need it. Just give them time, play something else, and when it gets released, it gets released.

PS: In the game developing/modding bus, testing takes time and issues can appear without warning. (eg. Dragons flying backward, LOL) Figuring out the cause of the problem and getting it fixed is usually time consuming and it has to be fixed with trial and error. We just need to chill and wait for more info.

[Emilie M]

EVERYONE: Tell me if you agree... since us oh so very patient PS3 users are being oh SO cooperative with this OH SO amazing game company, BETHESDA, I believe that we should recieve DAWNGUARD for a discounted price, I say we should get it for 75% off. Yea yea yea i kno that BETHESDA needs to make money and all but they sure pissed alot of people off... including me. So they need to apologize for not being faithful to their PS3 fans and make up for all the complete BS they have put us through.

Do I have anyone that agrees with my statement? :]

[Yvonne Gruening]

Truthfully that would be nice, but however that may be left up to the marketing department more than the developers. But it is wishful thinking.

[Rachell Katherine]

I thought I could wait but with all this crap, I'm just getting angry, I heard DG is good, and the stupid rude comments that Pete Hines is giving us are frustrating at best. Maybe try confirming the [censored] DLC and giving us an estimate release date. Seems the only caring person on the Bethesda team is Gstaff, at least he's trying

I feel sorry for Gstaff, trying to quell the chaos (and I apologize that I was one who was pestering for an update but let's face it, we need one.) when it is not even his job to do so, at least I don't think it is. Gstaff is more of a Public Relations guy than Pete Hines will ever be.

Honestly guys, you also have to remember that they are running skyrim under a new engine than that of the previous releases. Just have to give them time in order for them to get it right and hope that in their future releases that they are more stable. Truthfully, I have given up on having dawnguard for now, but when it is released for PS3, I will buy it. I actually support beth in what they do because they actually make very good games (even if it has a few bugs). Also, please stop pestering the PR guy about any info about dawnguard for the PS3. He may not have the up-to-date information that the developers may have. It's called the corporate latter and sometimes information can be withheld or not moved up to the people who need it. Just give them time, play something else, and when it gets released, it gets released.

PS: In the game developing/modding bus, testing takes time and issues can appear without warning. (eg. Dragons flying backward, LOL) Figuring out the cause of the problem and getting it fixed is usually time consuming and it has to be fixed with trial and error. We just need to chill and wait for more info.

You didn't seriously believe that they were running Skyrim on a new engine did you? Please tell me you didn't just say that... There is no way that is a true bit of information provided by Pete Hines I think it was, yes?

EVERYONE: Tell me if you agree... since us oh so very patient PS3 users are being oh SO cooperative with this OH SO amazing game company, BETHESDA, I believe that we should recieve DAWNGUARD for a discounted price, I say we should get it for 75% off. Yea yea yea i kno that BETHESDA needs to make money and all but they sure pissed alot of people off... including me. So they need to apologize for not being faithful to their PS3 fans and make up for all the complete BS they have put us through.

Do I have anyone that agrees with my statement? :]

I don't agree. While I'm just as sick of them taking their sweet time and leaving us in the dark as the next guy is, but if they were to discount it... It would cause a rebellion from the PC, and 360 players who paid full price. I sure wouldn't blame them either. Plus, they NEED the money to perhaps hire a team who can ACTUALLY develop a relatively bug free game. I didn't have a terrible experience with bugs, but I know there were a lot who did. I don't want them to have terrible experiences, as this is really a great game.

[ijohnnny]

Honestly guys, you also have to remember that they are running skyrim under a new engine than that of the previous releases. Just have to give them time in order for them to get it right and hope that in their future releases that they are more stable. Truthfully, I have given up on having dawnguard for now, but when it is released for PS3, I will buy it. I actually support beth in what they do because they actually make very good games (even if it has a few bugs). Also, please stop pestering the PR guy about any info about dawnguard for the PS3. He may not have the up-to-date information that the developers may have. It's called the corporate latter and sometimes information can be withheld or not moved up to the people who need it. Just give them time, play something else, and when it gets released, it gets released.

PS: In the game developing/modding bus, testing takes time and issues can appear without warning. (eg. Dragons flying backward, LOL) Figuring out the cause of the problem and getting it fixed is usually time consuming and it has to be fixed with trial and error. We just need to chill and wait for more info.

VP of PR and Marketing at Bethesda.

That is Mr. Hines title as listed on his Twitter page. Have a look for yourself.

http://twitter.com/DCDeacon

Ummm, it is kinda his job to actually know what is going and disseminate that info.

[Ryan Lutz]

Well today (it's 1:56AM in Ontario Canada) I get Terminal, my favourite MW2 map in MW3 So I can wait and hopefully get to 11th prestige today. It's funny because people on MW3 are complaining into their mics about the lack of Dawnguard, it's hilarious. I'm one of em.

[James Wilson]

I get bugs constently and just play right through them. If xbox and pc get pissed, so what!! we are all pissed right now. Make it equal. Thats a ridiculous load of bull sh!t and you kno it.

So just because there is one pissed off group of people out there that means we all should be? If that were the case, humanity would have been wiped out long ago, simply because of all the hatred. I don't want anyone else to be mad, it gets nobody anywhere. If the roles were switched, then how would you feel? You probably wouldn't care simply because it wasn't happening to you. And that, is just demented.

[Amanda savory]

You've misunderstood what I said entirely, and for that I am sorry. Yes, well humanity in itself is pathological. I choose not to acknowledge those who are like that.

[JR Cash]

and yes it is FAIR that we get a discount becuz we have been waiting almost 2 months

Agreed, though I do not agree with the grammar and spelling . We have been waiting a lot longer than we should be though it happened with Fallout 3 and Fallout NV so why should we expect any different. Should we get it cheaper? Absolutely! I'd say we should get it for around $13, however Bethesda is obviously not going to lower their original price by $7. Will we get a price reduction? Absolutely not, all companies care about is making money. These threads are absoloute heaven for Bethesda. They can look and say oh well people are going to buy our product as there are over 1000 posts made by PS3 players whining and complaining about the lack of a PS3 Dawnguard release. They know that we as the consumer will buy their product so they feel that they can do whatever and still charge full price. Expect it to be the exact same as the Fallout "Crisis" We'll get Dawnguard in September, Maybe. As for those stating the well known fact that the PS3 is harder to code for, you can stop we know that and it is no excuse. Look at Naughty Dog, Uncharted is a very good series, but more importantly PS3 players get the long awaited PS3 exclusive The Last of Us in 2013. Sure ND is PS3 exclusive but they have "unravelled the secrets to PS3 coding". Bethesda has also been coding for PS3 for 6 years and that should be enough time to figure it out. So it is no excuse saying that PS3 is harder to code for and that is why Bethesda is having such a difficult time. Also this question is being asked to Gstaff. On 11.11.11 you guys released Skyrim for PC,PS3 and Xbox 360, yet the PS3 version, so I've heard is atrocious and bug-filled. (My PS3 copy of Skyrim is surprisingly bug free so far, I'm just as amazed as all of you guys.) Anyway, you didn't care then as most of these bugs have not been fixed to date, why would you care now? DG must at least be playable by now. Patches will fix it, I just want the DLC. The other thing I'm bringing back is the fact that during the time where PS3 wasn't getting Dawnguard nor was PC, you decided to skip PS3 1.6 and make us wait months for an update and the update you just gave us doesn't even add the DLC option on the menu or DG trophies. I'm losing faith in you Bethesda, Lucky I have Naught Dog, hell even Treyarch and infinityward are giving PS3 users more attention than you guys and that's COD. I mean with such a big franchise and so many supporters from every platform they couldn't care less about alienating PS3 users as the Xbox users would still fulfil their financial needs, yet they care about all their platforms, seems like Bethesda could learn a thing or two.

[jessica Villacis]

Wow, I'm not making anything up, my good sir. I said "humanity would have ended long ago" Long ago, point being long before video games were created. If every single person hated each other, we would not exist today. I'm going to drop this subject as it is way off topic and I shouldn't have strayed from it anyways, even though it was using a metaphor.

So, how about this waiting time eh? svcks don't it? Yeah.

[Markie Mark]

That is Mr. Hines title as listed on his Twitter page. Have a look for yourself.

Ummm, it is kinda his job to actually know what is going and disseminate that info.

I can agree with that, but still even though he is VP of PR still just lay off of him for a little while. Dawnguard won't come out any quicker unless they figure out what the key problems issues are and their causes. Truthfully, I think what needs to be done is that the key problems that are occuring in Dawnguard that is preventing from working correctly need to be known by the public *without* releasing any proprietary information. If we knew what the issues were, maybe we as a community can help out and figure out how to fix the issue. I think what most of the problem is is getting dawnguard to work with the ps3 hardware and encryption system. Every other mainstream console on the market today (WII, xbox360) does not have the level of encryption that the ps3 has. Combined with consistant updates and otherwise hellacious programming issues in order to get it to work, the dev team must be having a nightmare.

[Spencey!]

I can agree with that, but still even though he is VP of PR still just lay off of him for a little while. Dawnguard won't come out any quicker unless they figure out what the key problems issues are and their causes. Truthfully, I think what needs to be done is that the key problems that are occuring in Dawnguard that is preventing from working correctly need to be known by the public *without* releasing any proprietary information. If we knew what the issues were, maybe we as a community can help out and figure out how to fix the issue. I think what most of the problem is is getting dawnguard to work with the ps3 hardware and encryption system. Every other mainstream console on the market today (WII, xbox360) does not have the level of encryption that the ps3 has. Combined with consistant updates and otherwise hellacious programming issues in order to get it to work, the dev team must be having a nightmare.

i completely agree its not his fault, but the least he can do is give us info