[Matt Terry]

Do you guys think I should buy Dawnguard for PC, instead of waiting for PS3 version? Because I have a good PC that can run Skyrim with high settings, but all my characters are on PS3, plus I play it on a 32' LCD TV and have a 7.1 sound system, which I don't have for PC. Plus, I'm a graphic/mods [censored] on PC, so I'll probably spend more time changing my visual settings and testing mods than actually playing the damn game (this pisses me off)

What are your opinions on the matter? I'm on a dilemma here.

Thank you guys

Well just throwing this out there, you can typically find a way to plug your computer into a TV if you want to. Thats what I'm doing right now, no computer moniter. It's my TV xD

Depending on positioning you may have to rearrange some things, that or you may have to get some form of extension cords, or both.

I see this being post so much "Bethesda should just give us info"

No. That is not how it works. When Mass Effect fans want info from Bioware, Bioware will not give any info until they are ready to. When Call of Duty fans want info about COD from Treyarch, Treyarch does not give any info until they are ready to. The same goes on and on for every single game developer and every single group of fans. Fans will always beg and plead an demand info, and developers will always remain silent.

Bethesda is no different. Bethesda fans are no different. You are not being ignored, you are being treated with the same professional silence that the entire game industry treats customers. Please stop martyring yourselves, you are not victims. You are customers and you are being treated like customers. If you are willing to spend 60 dollars on video games, and countless hours on forums complaining about video games, then do yourself the service of learning about how and why the video game industry works the way it does.

When a game is announced for multiple systems, and is released to one system, then another system, and the last system is left wondering a few months later still in silence, then this no longer becomes the scenarios you listed above. Everyone has it BUT PS3 and PS3 has no information what so ever nor even a guarantee to get it.

It's not like this was stated to be a work in progress at the start or anything. Everything should have been ready already. But some of the logic and some of the bugs and stuff, it was just another rushed product. And after rushing it to everyone else, the PS3 players are saying, well why won't you rush it to us too? 9 months later our skyrim isn't perfect, and you're saying NOW you want to try to get your games good to go before release? After releasing the game to others, and giving us a glitchy base game?

Scenario is not the same.

[Sarah Edmunds]

my guess is because they don't know when they will be finished. .

Yeah, that is a possibility. but I'll pose the followup as I have before. Bethesda does not confirm anywhere that they are going to release it to the PS3. Would it not seem to you that if the company didn't want to create doubts within their loyal customer base that, they would make them visible, as a token of their commitment if nothing else?

As for patch 1.7 being problem free, please see the PS3 troubleshooting sub-forum here for some feedback . 1.7 is being reported to have brought back the old frame lag problem to prior patch 1.4 levels. As before it's not apparent with new characters, until larger save files are being used. I'm experiencing it myself really disappointing...

[Marine Arrègle]

Uh, Frank, since when does responding with "Professional silence" to customer inquiries or concerns about a their product constitute a good business practice? What do you find acceptable about this? If a customer is led to believe by advertising and other product hype that their purchase/ investment will be supported just like any other gaming platform, and then it does not appear in a timely fashion, well thas' fine, it's just the way it is. Wow, you are definitely one of Bethesda's type of customers! Spoken like a true member of the 1% !

Hi, I listed multiple examples so this would be an easy to understand concept. Let me spell it out for you more clearly. Game companies will give you information when they want to, not a moment sooner, no matter how much people beg, cry, or demand it on the forums or on twitter. Fans will always beg and cry, and you aren't changing anything. This is why I say it is important to know about the hobby you are participating in. This is how the game industry works, if you do not like it, then do not participate, but please don't act like victims because you are not being given information when you demand it. You will get info from Beth when Beth wants to give it, FULL STOP.

[TWITTER.COM]

Yeah, that is a possibility. but I'll pose the followup as I have before. Bethesda does not confirm anywhere that they are going to release it to the PS3. Would it not seem to you that if the company didn't want to create doubts within their loyal customer base that, they would make them visible, as a token of their commitment if nothing else?

As for patch 1.7 being problem free, please see the PS3 troubleshooting sub-forum here for some feedback . 1.7 is being reported to have brought back the old frame lag problem to prior patch 1.4 levels. As before it's not apparent with new characters, until larger save files are being used. I'm experiencing it myself really disappointing...

you know you can believe it hasn't been confrimed for ps3. thats your opinion. & i'm not bring up the Dawnguard isn't coming, is coming agruement again its like beating a dead horse. nuff said there.
well why would they want to make them visible if they did that would make people even more angry that by now it isn't out yet when there still working on it.
i never said patch 1.7 is perfect, it isn't. i have had some frame drops once or twices but nothing gamebreaking to speak of for me. weapons that disappeared have reappeared. & some people ( not saying you fyi ) conplain about about every little thing. & i have used my first character it runs fine ( by the way i have like 7 or so characters) . for me. it svcks that it doesn't for others. but its better then the thq wwe12 patch that made the game unplayable & didn't fixs anything.

[Khamaji Taylor]

Hi, I listed multiple examples so this would be an easy to understand concept. Let me spell it out for you more clearly. Game companies will give you information when they want to, not a moment sooner, no matter how much people beg, cry, or demand it on the forums or on twitter. Fans will always beg and cry, and you aren't changing anything. This is why I say it is important to know about the hobby you are participating in. This is how the game industry works, if you do not like it, then do not participate, but please don't act like victims because you are not being given information when you demand it. You will get info from Beth when Beth wants to give it, FULL STOP.

Sorry but I don't know of many game companies that are as unprofessional as Beth. Most game companies don't ignore there fans like Beth does I also don't know many companies that release totally broken games either.

[Klaire]

Sorry but I don't know of many game companies that are as unprofessional as Beth. Most game companies don't ignore there fans like Beth does I also don't know many companies that release totally broken games either.

Hi, this is not true. All game companies follow this practice of revealing and announcing new information when they are ready. It is not exclusive to the game industry, this is how all major companies and corporations work. Information about the product is not revealed to the public until the company is ready to reveal it. The reason it is such a common topic in video game communities is because gamers are generally very entitled and demanding, thinking that their fandom entitles them to make demands of a company.

[Mr. Allen]

Hi, I listed multiple examples so this would be an easy to understand concept. Let me spell it out for you more clearly. Game companies will give you information when they want to, not a moment sooner, no matter how much people beg, cry, or demand it on the forums or on twitter. Fans will always beg and cry, and you aren't changing anything. This is why I say it is important to know about the hobby you are participating in. This is how the game industry works, if you do not like it, then do not participate, but please don't act like victims because you are not being given information when you demand it. You will get info from Beth when Beth wants to give it, FULL STOP.

Understand your position even if I do not agree with it. You are using a blanket assertion for all gaming companies, which is inaccurate to some extent. I can think of several examples, but I'll use ithe one that s closest to home, The folks who developed Fallout NV, under Bethesda's auspices were much more communicative than how Bethesda is behaving currently. Actually given the current info void, that isn't terribly hard to do is it? I didn 't see any evidence of Bethesda clamping down on them for stepping outside what your proscribed perception is of the industry.

The point for me is not in debating with you, the point is Bethesda is lacking in QUALITY of service, whether it be customer related or the actual Ps3 product they have released. Their patches, by many,many,consumer reports, have created as many problems as they have solved, and most recently even re-activated the infamous Zero frames per second lag issue, the major bugaboo that first gave them a black eye shortly after 11/11/11. Their communications about the delays are carefully worded to reveal the minimum. If all we are is a cash flow to them, not valued customers, then they risk further losses in the future, for their reputation, with all of the existant negativity is plummeting quickly. If you believe that Bethesda's current approach to customer relations is healthy, or at least acceptable that;s fine, but I'm not thinking many here will agree with you.

[Tom Flanagan]

Understand your position even if I do not agree with it. You are using a blanket assertion for all gaming companies, which is inaccurate to some extent. I can think of several examples, but I'll use ithe one that s closest to home, The folks who developed Fallout NV, under Bethesda's auspices were much more communicative than how Bethesda is behaving currently. Actually given the current info void, that isn't terribly hard to do is it? I didn 't see any evidence of Bethesda clamping down on them for stepping outside what your proscribed perception is of the industry.

The point for me is not in debating with you, the point is Bethesda is lacking in QUALITY of service, whether it be customer related or the actual Ps3 product they have released. Their patches, by many,many,consumer reports, have created as many problems as they have solved, and most recently even re-activated the infamous Zero frames per second lag issue, the major bugaboo that first gave them a black eye shortly after 11/11/11. Their communications about the delays are carefully worded to reveal the minimum. If all we are is a cash flow to them, not valued customers, then they risk further losses in the future, for their reputation, with all of the existant negativity is plummeting quickly. If you believe that Bethesda's current approach to customer relations is healthy, or at least acceptable that;s fine, but I'm not thinking many here will agree with you.

Pretty much, yeah. What they're doing is legal, but not right.

Every single problem would actually probably be fixed if the coders for ALL the systems were actually competent in what they did, and were given adequate time to test out the new features and the old with each update (since new updates break old stuff but fix the things they were targeting typically).

The games wouldn't be buggy for everyone, the PS3 version would be out for you PS3 players, and all would be fine. But everything is just plain rushed and not fully tested. That's why I refer to their game as a work in progress lol.

[Jade Payton]

Hi, this is not true. All game companies follow this practice of revealing and announcing new information when they are ready. It is not exclusive to the game industry, this is how all major companies and corporations work. Information about the product is not revealed to the public until the company is ready to reveal it. The reason it is such a common topic in video game communities is because gamers are generally very entitled and demanding, thinking that their fandom entitles them to make demands of a company.

Is it also common practice to lie to consumer's? Like before Skyrim came out they said the PS3 version was getting a lot of attention this time, It was on par with the PC and Xbox version, They had a program that would run the game and look for bug's so our version would have less bugs this time around. You can keep making as many excuses for Beth as you want but in a lot of people's eye's they are the most unprofessional game company out there.

[Kirsty Wood]

Is it also common practice to lie to consumer's? Like before Skyrim came out they said the PS3 version was getting a lot of attention this time, It was on par with the PC and Xbox version, They had a program that would run the game and look for bug's so our version would have less bugs this time around. You can keep making as many excuses for Beth as you want but in a lot of people's eye's they are the most unprofessional game company out there.

Ah, I'm not making excuses. I'm trying to educate people who buy video games, but clearly don't understand much about the video game industry in the hope of alleviating their frustrations.

Please anyone, go to any game developer, any source, be it twitter, facebook or forums, and ask them to reveal private information about a future product. Don't worry, I'll wait, please let me know when this happens anywhere, ever. Because it won't.

BY all means, keep complaining about delays, but my posts haven't been about defending Beth, but rather, explaining to people who are wrongly under the impression that Beth owes them an explanation. Hopefully people can learn and have a better understanding of how corporations, developers and publishers work, so they can stop repeating the same empty "demands."

[Judy Lynch]

Ah, I'm not making excuses. I'm trying to educate people who buy video games, but clearly don't understand much about the video game industry in the hope of alleviating their frustrations.

Please anyone, go to any game developer, any source, be it twitter, facebook or forums, and ask them to reveal private information about a future product. Don't worry, I'll wait, please let me know when this happens anywhere, ever. Because it won't.

BY all means, keep complaining about delays, but my posts haven't been about defending Beth, but rather, explaining to people who are wrongly under the impression that Beth owes them an explanation.

Part of the complaints is it shouldn't be a future product. Everyone has it.

Other games after a year or two of hidden development come out and start giving updates on estimations of release, videos showing what can be done in the game, what makes it unique, and when the official trailer hits there's a release date. I mean, when the trailer is shown on TV and on youtube and stuff, not at game conventions.

PS3 if they want to see what can be done in dawnguard and such can watch a youtube video. The game has been out for 2 months now.

[Wayland Neace]

Ah, I'm not making excuses. I'm trying to educate people who buy video games, but clearly don't understand much about the video game industry in the hope of alleviating their frustrations.

Please anyone, go to any game developer, any source, be it twitter, facebook or forums, and ask them to reveal private information about a future product. Don't worry, I'll wait, please let me know when this happens anywhere, ever. Because it won't.

BY all means, keep complaining about delays, but my posts haven't been about defending Beth, but rather, explaining to people who are wrongly under the impression that Beth owes them an explanation. Hopefully people can learn and have a better understanding of how corporations, developers and publishers work, so they can stop repeating the same empty "demands."

People don't want private information people just want information on DG like what the status is. It wouldn't kill Beth to say well we made some progress in fixing some of the issues we had with it or something along those lines.

[Rob Davidson]

Part of the complaints is it shouldn't be a future product. Everyone has it.

It is a future product for everyone who does not own it. If the product is not yet available, it is a future product.

People seem to be very quick to confuse the information that they want, with the information that they believe they are "entitled" to. Lots here seem to think that because they want to buy the product, that some how entitles them to make demands about the product. Simply put, people can threaten not to buy the content all they want, but if they didn't want to buy it so badly, they wouldn't be asking in the first place.

[FirDaus LOVe farhana]

People don't want private information people just want information on DG like what the status is. It wouldn't kill Beth to say well we made some progress in fixing some of the issues we had with it or something along those lines.

I don't understand, Beth already gave a status update saying they are working to polish the PS3 version. Do you really need daily or weekly updates that say "Still working on it!"

The whole point of my original post is trying to calm people's paranoia down. People are saying absurd things in this thread, like it is a conspiracy to keep Dawnguard off the PS3. Look, this is just marketing 101, a billion dollar company will make announcements when they are ready, and just because they aren't giving out daily or weekly updates, doesn't mean they aren't still working. It means a company only makes announcements for major progress or info, not small little updates to pacify impatient fans.

[Jynx Anthropic]

I don't understand, Beth already gave a status update saying they are working to polish the PS3 version. Do you really need daily or weekly updates that say "Still working on it!"

The whole point of my original post is trying to calm people's paranoia down. People are saying absurd things in this thread, like it is a conspiracy to keep Dawnguard off the PS3. Look, this is just marketing 101, a billion dollar company will make announcements when they are ready, and just because they aren't giving out daily or weekly updates, doesn't mean they aren't still working. It means a company only makes announcements for major progress or info, not small little updates to pacify impatient fans.

No I don't I couldn't care less how long it takes them I'm saying that's what a lot of people seem to want. To be honest I can't blame them either because of Beth's track record when it comes to TES DLC for the PS3.

[[Bounty][Ben]]

I don't understand, Beth already gave a status update saying they are working to polish the PS3 version. Do you really need daily or weekly updates that say "Still working on it!"

The whole point of my original post is trying to calm people's paranoia down. People are saying absurd things in this thread, like it is a conspiracy to keep Dawnguard off the PS3. Look, this is just marketing 101, a billion dollar company will make announcements when they are ready, and just because they aren't giving out daily or weekly updates, doesn't mean they aren't still working. It means a company only makes announcements for major progress or info, not small little updates to pacify impatient fans.

At the bold, yes. And i'm not alone. If you don't get why, i don't know what to say.

Also, i for one do not WANT to know the inner workings of Bethesda. Or any proprietary industry secrets Bethesda possesses. What i don't understand is how hard is it to take 5 min every week or so to give a little blurb or SOMETHING that points to actual progress on Dawnguard for the PS3.

We are not satisfied yet with Dawnguard’s performance on the PS3. We would like for everyone to have a chance to play Dawnguard, but we aren’t going to release it for PS3 knowing that some people’s experience in Skyrim will be worse. We do everything we can to have our content available to all; from our free updates, to user mods, to paid DLC. We’re as disappointed as our fans when that isn’t the case, but we’ll continue to push for that reality.

That is what was told to us on Aug. 2, the better part of a month ago.

In light of all the little bits and pieces of info that are trickling from all corners not Bethesda, again for me, i think it would be in their best interests to start with some sort of updates to the PS3 player base. Just do a google search and take a gander; if you still think Beth. is better off staying silent....

[Liv Brown]

Pretty much, yeah. What they're doing is legal, but not right.

Every single problem would actually probably be fixed if the coders for ALL the systems were actually competent in what they did, and were given adequate time to test out the new features and the old with each update (since new updates break old stuff but fix the things they were targeting typically).

The games wouldn't be buggy for everyone, the PS3 version would be out for you PS3 players, and all would be fine. But everything is just plain rushed and not fully tested. That's why I refer to their game as a work in progress lol.

Well if they gave them more time to test things, obviously none of us would have any DLC yet, they would still be making it, then they would be testing it and we might be lucky to get it by Christmas. The game was fine on all three systems what I got to play of them, we had no extra problems with the PS3 version of Skyrim, it went frame by frame in exactly the same places as the Xbox 360 version. I played the Xbox 360 version of Dawnguard multiple times, and the PC version once, I had no problems reloading could not solve. I am expecting the PS3 version to be just as good if not better, so no thanks I do not want them taking a lot longer to make anything, I would rather be playing it than waiting forever. We discover unexpected problems with the main games they can always patch it later. And apart from the 1.6 patch I have not ever had a patch mess anything up that had already been fixed. And even the 1.6 patch did not mess something up that had been fixed, it just added a further problem with the extra freezing.

[Cartoon]

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"We are not satisfied yet with Dawnguard’s performance on the PS3. We would like for everyone to have a chance to play Dawnguard, but we aren’t going to release it for PS3 knowing that some people’s experience in Skyrim will be worse. We do everything we can to have our content available to all; from our free updates, to user mods, to paid DLC. We’re as disappointed as our fans when that isn’t the case, but we’ll continue to push for that reality.

Frank, if this is what you were referring to then I believe you are mis-remembering. Hard to polish something that isn't working right to begin with..... which they have readily admitted. In fact the wording is postively ambiguous. Where do they actually state they are still working on the DLC itself? Which reality are they pushing for? The one where everyone gets a chance to play Dawnguard, or the one where they keep pushing for uniform platform availability of their products in the future..... .

Bethesda doesn't seem to have problems releasing patches that can worsen peoples gaming experiences. The vanilla game itself was released with coding defects, and numerous bug/glitch issues still abound. IMO, and looking at their past practices, they'd have released the PS3 version if it could run without crashing, stalling or lagging out badly. Their statement that they really do have a sense of concern comes off as more that a bit insincere. But this announcement is truly water long under the bridge.

What are we asking for? How about If Bethesda were to announce officially something along the lines of

"We remain committed to our PS3 platform customers and intend to bring forth a quality DLC Skyrim presentation for them. We continue to work diligently towards achieving that goal, and will announce further information when the DLC is submitted to Sony for review."

That's all it would take for me. No details, no timelines, just a committment of intent.

[Josee Leach]

Well if they gave them more time to test things, obviously none of us would have any DLC yet, they would still be making it, then they would be testing it and we might be lucky to get it by Christmas. The game was fine on all three systems what I got to play of them, we had no extra problems with the PS3 version of Skyrim, it went frame by frame in exactly the same places as the Xbox 360 version. I played the Xbox 360 version of Dawnguard multiple times, and the PC version once, I had no problems reloading could not solve. I am expecting the PS3 version to be just as good if not better, so no thanks I do not want them taking a lot longer to make anything, I would rather be playing it than waiting forever. We discover unexpected problems with the main games they can always patch it later. And apart from the 1.6 patch I have not ever had a patch mess anything up that had already been fixed. And even the 1.6 patch did not mess something up that had been fixed, it just added a further problem with the extra freezing.

Oh I understand that, but we wouldn't have even known the game was going to come out in that case for an extra year if they took an extra year to set it up. Imagine it being the exact same thing before the DLC or base game, just add a year to it, then maybe a year or 6months before the release you see ads and all this stuff after hearing about the development. Really nothing would change. It's what most game companies do lol. Make sure the game works pretty well with a few fixes afterward.

No I don't I couldn't care less how long it takes them I'm saying that's what a lot of people seem to want. To be honest I can't blame them either because of Beth's track record when it comes to TES DLC for the PS3.

This, the track record seems pretty bad. Not just with TES DLC, with PS3 DLC. DLC's sometimes never make it to the PS3, and when they do it takes months or a full year. This is why people are frantic about the release date and why they want developer notes. They pray it will be only a month, but fear it will be an entire year.

[Sherry Speakman]

Well if they gave them more time to test things, obviously none of us would have any DLC yet, they would still be making it, then they would be testing it and we might be lucky to get it by Christmas. The game was fine on all three systems what I got to play of them, we had no extra problems with the PS3 version of Skyrim, it went frame by frame in exactly the same places as the Xbox 360 version. I played the Xbox 360 version of Dawnguard multiple times, and the PC version once, I had no problems reloading could not solve. I am expecting the PS3 version to be just as good if not better, so no thanks I do not want them taking a lot longer to make anything, I would rather be playing it than waiting forever. We discover unexpected problems with the main games they can always patch it later. And apart from the 1.6 patch I have not ever had a patch mess anything up that had already been fixed. And even the 1.6 patch did not mess something up that had been fixed, it just added a further problem with the extra freezing.

Just because your version played well doesn't mean everybodies did a lot of people had and still have problems with the PS3 version.

[xxLindsAffec]

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"We are not satisfied yet with Dawnguard’s performance on the PS3. We would like for everyone to have a chance to play Dawnguard, but we aren’t going to release it for PS3 knowing that some people’s experience in Skyrim will be worse. We do everything we can to have our content available to all; from our free updates, to user mods, to paid DLC. We’re as disappointed as our fans when that isn’t the case, but we’ll continue to push for that reality.

Frank, if this is what you were referring to then I believe you are mis-remembering. Hard to polish something that isn't working right to begin with..... which they have readily admitted. In fact the wording is postively ambiguous. Where do they actually state they are still working on the DLC itself? Which reality are they pushing for? The one where everyone gets a chance to play Dawnguard, or the one where they keep pushing for uniform platform availability of their products in the future..... .

Bethesda doesn't seem to have problems releasing patches that can worsen peoples gaming experiences. The vanilla game itself was released with coding defects, and numerous bug/glitch issues still abound. IMO, and looking at their past practices, they'd have released the PS3 version if it could run without crashing, stalling or lagging out badly. Their statement that they really do have a sense of concern comes off as more that a bit insincere. But this announcement is truly water long under the bridge.

What are we asking for? How about If Bethesda were to announce officially something along the lines of

"We remain committed to our PS3 platform customers and intend to bring forth a quality DLC Skyrim presentation for them. We continue to work diligently towards achieving that goal, and will announce further information when the DLC is submitted to Sony for review."

That's all it would take for me. No details, no timelines, just a committment of intent.

We are not satisfied yet with Dawnguard’s performance on the PS3

The wording indicated they are planning on being satisfied with it at some point, which is when they release it. They are not going to waste all that money and time porting it to just abandon it. Although I notice complaints about the same frame rate problems, freezing and draw distance drops with the 1.7 patch for the PS3 as existed for the 1.6 patch for the Xbox 360 version. Bit disappointed they did not fix that with all the extra time. But at least they are consistent, we all get the same problems.

[Alkira rose Nankivell]

Oh Bethesda, you never fail to disappoint.

[Jamie Lee]

I can't really be bothered with skyrim anymore, posting on here and Reading all these posts of besthesda lack of communication and customer service is giving me a headache either release dawnguard soon or not At all.

[Symone Velez]

Please patch 1.7 for Europe, please and when I desperately dlc

[Heather M]

i wouldnt mind waiting but i have to go back to school, which will mean i cant play as much as i was hoping for, i know the game is broken right now, but maybe if they could just list some major things they need to fix or, hell just giving us the broken dlc while they keep working on it so we get to play something atleast, and before you start moaning saying why would bethesda say whats wrong with it, how will that help the wait, it will show that they actually care about ps3 users and arnt just ignoring us.