[RaeAnne]

you see ? how could you pretend respect when you use offensive terms like "silly" ?
you haven't payed yet for dawguard,so you couldn't pretend nothing,plain and simple
lack of communication ? yes,you care about it,100000 other people don't and prefer to wait in silence perhaps

bear in mind that "the real world" its a bit different from forums,social networks and such things where you can even insult someone without consequences or express your opinion behind a monitor

Actually article after article is published specifically about how the silence bethesda has given is one of the worst things that has happened this year in the video gaming community. No one, wants this silence. That is why this thread exists, that is why there are harassing messages on twitter, thats why we have the articles.

That is why people are here. Heck I'm on PC and I'm still here lol. I don't agree with the silence and I've yet to see anyone say, "I love being left out of the loop please never tell me anything" for anything. People like being in the loop of what they enjoy.

[Skrapp Stephens]

Man... if Bethesda publicly announces they are already making a new DLC BEFORE Dawnguard is released on PS3, I'll swear to every divine entity that I am going to get really, but REALLY pissed. Full of wrath and enraged for realz. Very very mad, yo.

Haha everyone knows they're working on it. It may already have a full backstory and they're just developing the progression and characters, and got someone making character models in 3D at the moment.

[Rude_Bitch_420]

I'll still buy the DLC when it comes out (though I would like to see a discount for their mistakes), but what upsets me the most is when game companies release content or info that just isn't ready to be released. I'm glad that Bethesda is waiting to make sure that Dawnguard will work (decently at least) before they release it, but they really should have waited until it worked properly on all systems before releasing it on the Xbox.

[Isabel Ruiz]

This is how I feel, I am not mad at Bethesda, well I am a little mad that I didn't get to play Dawnguard before my classes started since they just started on Monday, but other than that I am not mad. I am, however baffled as to what Bethesda was doing for 7 months that they couldn't finish Dawnguard, and get it working for the PS3. I know they obviously spend some time brainstorming on what to do for the DLC, but once they made it for the PC, and then transferred it to the Xbox, what were they doing with the PS3 version? Unless they just finished the Xbox version before it came out, so they had the beta, and then released it for the Xbox. If that was the case, then what were they doing the whole month that the Xbox had it? That is all I want to know, and I will be happy?

[Mariana]

This is how I feel, I am not mad at Bethesda, well I am a little mad that I didn't get to play Dawnguard before my classes started since they just started on Monday, but other than that I am not mad. I am, however baffled as to what Bethesda was doing for 7 months that they couldn't finish Dawnguard, and get it working for the PS3. I know they obviously spend some time brainstorming on what to do for the DLC, but once they made it for the PC, and then transferred it to the Xbox, what were they doing with the PS3 version? Unless they just finished the Xbox version before it came out, so they had the beta, and then released it for the Xbox. If that was the case, then what were they doing the whole month that the Xbox had it? That is all I want to know, and I will be happy?

Eating taco's.......

[Vivien]

I have remained quiet on this topic for a long time ( I read all of the Playstation Dawnguard threads, start to finish), but I'm getting to the point to where I want to speak up. While I am not angry at Bethesda, I am very tired of the way in which they are handling this.

Bethesda, we all spent the same amount of money on this game. All we ask for is a little (REAL) information about what is going on. Not the same excuse time and time again, not some cop out statement, a real piece of information. As customers, I feel that we are at least entitled to the truth. Is Dawnguard coming out or not?

[Dewayne Quattlebaum]

I have remained quiet on this topic for a long time ( I read all of the Playstation Dawnguard threads, start to finish), but I'm getting to the point to where I want to speak up. While I am not angry at Bethesda, I am very tired of the way in which they are handling this.

Bethesda, we all spent the same amount of money on this game. All we ask for is a little (REAL) information about what is going on. Not the same excuse time and time again, not some cop out statement, a real piece of information. As customers, I feel that we are at least entitled to the truth. Is Dawnguard coming out or not?

That's been my complaint since day one. Not that it was delayed, but how they handled the delay.

How they handled the delay made me look up their track record which convinced me thing were not going to look to good for the PS3.

Apparently Beth is known for delaying DLC's, not giving all the DLC's to PS3, and holding back information. Along with it's buggy games.



They want Hearthfire out during the Holiday season from what I heard. That means it already has to be in the process of being developed. If thats the case, thats less people working on dawnguard, or no one working on heathfire.

That would mean either PS3 does not get dawnguard or hearthfire, PS3 gets both dawnguard and hearthfire at massive delays, or PS3 gets dawnguard with a big delay and no hearthfire.

They only released one DLC for the PS3 on oblivion right? I'd assume that's what's gonna happen here.

Peoples anger and fear and crap here hasn't been for no reason. They've noticed a pattern, and their scared of the continuing chain. Not just that, they fear how far it will go. The lack of information with Bethesda's history does not ease peoples minds.

If a very well accredited fan faithful company delayed something they would give estimates and talk a bit about the issues they encountered. If they didn't people would be uneasy, but I think Bethesda's history pushes that uneasiness into a sense of betrayal, and fear of let down.

[Lizzie]

I have remained quiet on this topic for a long time ( I read all of the Playstation Dawnguard threads, start to finish), but I'm getting to the point to where I want to speak up. While I am not angry at Bethesda, I am very tired of the way in which they are handling this.

Bethesda, we all spent the same amount of money on this game. All we ask for is a little (REAL) information about what is going on. Not the same excuse time and time again, not some cop out statement, a real piece of information. As customers, I feel that we are at least entitled to the truth. Is Dawnguard coming out or not?

Of course it is...i just think its gonna be a part of 2013 "TESV: Skyrim GotY Special Collecter's Edition Volume 3, Subtitle: The Quest fo' mo' Septims YO!!! "

In all seriousness though, i truly think that's what's being decided atm behind the scenes. They have messed up the launch of Dawnguard to all platforms from the word go. It was ridiculously rushed and while from the virtue of being originally developed for Xbox, the 360 and PC versions were able to to cobbled together with spit and bailing wire and shoved out the door. Not so with the PS3, they prolly tried a straight-port and when that failed miserably decided to scrap it and start closer to scratch.

But now they have an almost venomous mob of PS3 users and they are screwed either way. Release a steaming pile of slag, code-wise, and call it a day or just hold it and try polish it up some for a much later release as part of a collection in a few quarters? Either way they lose tons of face in the industry, i mean its been touched on (and defended against) many times, "Why is this supposed top-flight game developer having SO much trouble coding DLC for a game they made themselves that has been out the better part of a year?" Or another one i know i've seen, "Money-grab aside, why would Bethesda set itself up to fail so hard in the eyes of a considerable portion of their customer base?" Like i said, either way its gonna be a tough and stony row to hoe.

While i'm mostly just annoyed at this point(Quick aside- I'm actually more angry at the ppl swooping in to defend Beth.'s horrible behavior in this situation now than at Beth. themselves odd as that may sound), i'm really wondering now which way they end up going. Sack-up and take the public drubbing now and start the recovery process(patches and a better business model in general) sooner or keep playing the high school game of 'dodge the girlfriend i need to dump since i already got a new one' and draw this whole situation out for months.

I'd be more forgiving of option 1, but while i would still purchase addons for Skyrim, if they went with option 2- i think i'd choose to sever myself from a series i've been invested in since i was in college.

[Michelle Smith]

When does the playstation store update today?

Around 7pm Eastern.

[matt oneil]

http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/08/14/skyrims-pr-disaster-with-dawnguard-on-ps3/

http://www.product-reviews.net/2012/08/21/skyrim-hearthfire-dlc-before-ps3-dawnguard-fears/

http://www.1up.com/do/blogEntry?bId=9111982

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/373208/20120813/video-game-release-dates-2012-skyrim-dlc.htm



just a few articles expressing peoples displeasure and/or fear.
Posted this on another thread so adding it here too.

[Taylah Haines]

That's been my complaint since day one. Not that it was delayed, but how they handled the delay. How they handled the delay made me look up their track record which convinced me thing were not going to look to good for the PS3. Apparently Beth is known for delaying DLC's, not giving all the DLC's to PS3, and holding back information. Along with it's buggy games. They want Hearthfire out during the Holiday season from what I heard. That means it already has to be in the process of being developed. If thats the case, thats less people working on dawnguard, or no one working on heathfire. That would mean either PS3 does not get dawnguard or hearthfire, PS3 gets both dawnguard and hearthfire at massive delays, or PS3 gets dawnguard with a big delay and no hearthfire. They only released one DLC for the PS3 on oblivion right? I'd assume that's what's gonna happen here. Peoples anger and fear and crap here hasn't been for no reason. They've noticed a pattern, and their scared of the continuing chain. Not just that, they fear how far it will go. The lack of information with Bethesda's history does not ease peoples minds. If a very well accredited fan faithful company delayed something they would give estimates and talk a bit about the issues they encountered. If they didn't people would be uneasy, but I think Bethesda's history pushes that uneasiness into a sense of betrayal, and fear of let down.

Hmmm, like all info on the in depth workings of Dawnguard i've been avoiding, i've been trying to do the same about Hearthfire as well. I find your mention of a holiday hopeful release troubling. IMO them doing that would take the guestimate time frame in my option 2 from 'months' to '~a yr and never'.

[Justin]

Hmmm, like all info on the in depth workings of Dawnguard i've been avoiding, i've been trying to do the same about Hearthfire as well. I find your mention of a holiday hopeful release troubling. IMO them doing that would take the guestimate time frame in my option 2 from 'months' to '~a yr and never'.

haha that's my fear for the PS3 users as well. I just posted a few articles on page 2 of this thread if you want to take a look.

People speculated about hearthfire also being the elder scroll equivalent of september and took that as a hint on the release month.

Although maybe not exactly september, it's not unlikely to plan a holiday release of the DLC. A lot of companies do a release during holiday seasons.

[Amelia Pritchard]

haha that's my fear for the PS3 users as well. I just posted a few articles on page 2 of this thread if you want to take a look.

People speculated about hearthfire also being the elder scroll equivalent of september and took that as a hint on the release month.

Although maybe not exactly september, it's not unlikely to plan a holiday release of the DLC. A lot of companies do a release during holiday seasons.

In that PR article you linked by Mr. Ng, if Hearthfire actually actually gets a release date before Dawnguard hits PS3.....i just dunno.

[lolly13]

haha that's my fear for the PS3 users as well. I just posted a few articles on page 2 of this thread if you want to take a look.

People speculated about hearthfire also being the elder scroll equivalent of september and took that as a hint on the release month.

Although maybe not exactly september, it's not unlikely to plan a holiday release of the DLC. A lot of companies do a release during holiday seasons.

To me, if the next dlc comes out in september & we still hasn't gotten Dawnguard by then, that will just ruin a great game for me. because i love skyrim, its a great game, but if beth does that ( if this rumor is true ) then bethesda may as well make all there games 360 only. because all it will do is make me feel like i'm playing half a game just because i'm on the ps3. & i'd then lose all interest in skyrim & there dlcs. so i hope the next dlc doesn't come out in september, but i do hope Dawnguard does come out in september.

[Rebecca Dosch]

Hindsight being 20 -20 near enough, it's painfully obvious that the game was not in a good state of refinement when it shipped on 11/11/11. It's easily the weakest of the last "Big" titles Bethesda has released when one looks at the quest writing, the guild factions, and the mostly trite ( and poorly implemented) NPC dialogue. The concepts are sound, but the overall realization is generally weak. The game just isn't as satisfying to play as I had expected. I keep wondering if they yanked content , or just didn't flesh it out ( fully develop) what they originally intended. They may truly have overextended the capacity of their "creation" (gamebryo) engine, and had to start paring things off to smoothen it's operation out. Certainly they had some real issues with the PS3 version, ( still do obviously), so rather than tailor the game for each platform they may well have just aimed for a common denominator that would work across the board. Problem is, PS3 started chopping up (strobo - framelag) fairly early on anyway, and they've never really corrected this huge flaw just like the guy from 4J ( company that coded OBLIVION )said they wouldn't be able to. it's really no surprise to me that the 1st DLC is in limbo, heck, the mounted horse option makes the draw distance (pop up range) shrivel up noticeably, can't imagine what the extra weight of one DLC would do, let alone 2, or 3. (Actually I can, CTDS, 0 frames per second, and stalled loads ad infinium )

Not going to start dancing with you "MY PS3 works just fine, never had no problem" people, who are yelling "just gimme da DLC". Please understand there are many of us who continue to have major issues with the game, which Bethesda acknowledged as a reality with their " we know some people" wouldn't be able to enjoy as it currently runs. Personally I'd rather have my Vanilla game running as smoothly as Oblivion did, than having a new vampyre story tacked on. (I'd still buy it, but more for the new accessories and terrain, than the story.) I'm holding out hope, fragile as it is, that Bethesda actually will be able to strengthen the coding foundation for the PS3, because its absolutely necessary if we are to see any DLC. Gotta agree w/ SReaver though, DLC content on the GOTY release seems far more realistic... Game shipped on 11/11/11 in a very fragile state. DLCs are too heavy for it. Out.

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[Juan Cerda]

Not going to start dancing with you "MY PS3 works just fine, never had no problem" people, who are yelling "just gimme da DLC". Please understand there are many of us who continue to have major issues with the game, which Bethesda acknowledged as a reality with their " we know some people" wouldn't be able to enjoy as it currently runs. Personally I'd rather have my Vanilla game running as smoothly as Oblivion did, than having a new vampyre story tacked on. (I'd still buy it, but more for the new accessories and terrain, than the story.) I'm holding out hope, fragile as it is, that Bethesda actually will be able to strengthen the coding foundation for the PS3, because its absolutely necessary if we are to see any DLC. Gotta agree w/ SReaver though, DLC content on the GOTY release seems far more realistic... Game shipped on 11/11/11 in a very fragile state. DLCs are too heavy for it. Out.

Bugthesda's coders fail to hard to make the vanilla game run good on the PS3 4js proved it is possible. It's just to bad Bugthesda hires failures that can't code for crap I mean even the 360 version is suffering with bad bug's the PC version is only safe because the community can fix it with unofficial patches. It's sad this company can legally release broken products like this.

[Add Me]

Hindsight being 20 -20 near enough, it's painfully obvious that the game was not in a good state of refinement when it shipped on 11/11/11. It's easily the weakest of the last "Big" titles Bethesda has released when one looks at the quest writing, the guild factions, and the mostly trite ( and poorly implemented) NPC dialogue. The concepts are sound, but the overall realization is generally weak. The game just isn't as satisfying to play as I had expected. I keep wondering if they yanked content , or just didn't flesh it out ( fully develop) what they originally intended. They may truly have overextended the capacity of their "creation" (gamebryo) engine, and had to start paring things off to smoothen it's operation out. Certainly they had some real issues with the PS3 version, ( still do obviously), so rather than tailor the game for each platform they may well have just aimed for a common denominator that would work across the board. Problem is, PS3 started chopping up (strobo - framelag) fairly early on anyway, and they've never really corrected this huge flaw just like the guy from 4J ( company that coded OBLIVION )said they wouldn't be able to. it's really no surprise to me that the 1st DLC is in limbo, heck, the mounted horse option makes the draw distance (pop up range) shrivel up noticeably, can't imagine what the extra weight of one DLC would do, let alone 2, or 3. (Actually I can, CTDS, 0 frames per second, and stalled loads ad infinium )

Not going to start dancing with you "MY PS3 works just fine, never had no problem" people, who are yelling "just gimme da DLC". Please understand there are many of us who continue to have major issues with the game, which Bethesda acknowledged as a reality with their " we know some people" wouldn't be able to enjoy as it currently runs. Personally I'd rather have my Vanilla game running as smoothly as Oblivion did, than having a new vampyre story tacked on. (I'd still buy it, but more for the new accessories and terrain, than the story.) I'm holding out hope, fragile as it is, that Bethesda actually will be able to strengthen the coding foundation for the PS3, because its absolutely necessary if we are to see any DLC. Gotta agree w/ SReaver though, DLC content on the GOTY release seems far more realistic... Game shipped on 11/11/11 in a very fragile state. DLCs are too heavy for it. Out.

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What I heard was guild quests were almost non existent and meant to be replaced purely with radiant quests. When people realized this wouldn't work they had to do a quick change making the guild quests last minute essentially. If that's true it's at least an excuse for the quests quality.

Although I kind of enjoyed the dark brotherhood quest line personally.

[chloe hampson]

What I heard was guild quests were almost non existent and meant to be replaced purely with radiant quests. When people realized this wouldn't work they had to do a quick change making the guild quests last minute essentially. If that's true it's at least an excuse for the quests quality.

Although I kind of enjoyed the dark brotherhood quest line personally.

Not a very good excuse though unfortunately. I find it hard to believe they actually thought the Radiant quests would be enough. If all we had were "go to this dungeon and retrieve my sword" type of quests, the game would be terrible. The Radiant quests are decent filler at times, but very repetitive. The story and faction quests do feel a bit rushed, so perhaps they should have spent a bit more times on those. Not to mention the Radiant quests are sometimes glitched anyway.

I also agree with what Rexx had to say a couple posts above. I think it is definitely possible that the second DLC comes out for the 360 before the ps3 even gets Dawnguard. If that does occur, I think the chance of the ps3 getting any DLC before a potential GOTY version is pretty slim.(if there is even a GOTY version on the ps3)

[Davorah Katz]

Not a very good excuse though unfortunately. I find it hard to believe they actually thought the Radiant quests would be enough. If all we had were "go to this dungeon and retrieve my sword" type of quests, the game would be terrible. The Radiant quests are decent filler at times, but very repetitive. The story and faction quests do feel a bit rushed, so perhaps they should have spent a bit more times on those. Not to mention the Radiant quests are sometimes glitched anyway.

I also agree with what Rexx had to say a couple posts above. I think it is definitely possible that the second DLC comes out for the 360 before the ps3 even gets Dawnguard. If that does occur, I think the chance of the ps3 getting any DLC before a potential GOTY version is pretty slim.(if there is even a GOTY version on the ps3)

If anything at all xD

GOTY may come out, next year xD

I dont think PS3 is getting the game this month or the next. No estimation date probably means its bugged beyond all comprehension, and each time they fix a bug they get a new one.

Be lucky to get it in 3 months if this is true, lucky of in 6 even.

I've said that they shouldn't have released the 360 version until they were all ready. But now that I think about it the 360 version isn't ready as some of them hit game breaking bugs and glitches. We're screwed over with nothing while 360 is screwed over with bugs, but at least they have something. Some of them with no bugs.

And the PC has bugs too but console commands and mods help get around them, although even doing that's a pain.

[Sweet Blighty]

Actually article after article is published specifically about how the silence bethesda has given is one of the worst things that has happened this year in the video gaming community. No one, wants this silence. That is why this thread exists, that is why there are harassing messages on twitter, thats why we have the articles.

That is why people are here. Heck I'm on PC and I'm still here lol. I don't agree with the silence and I've yet to see anyone say, "I love being left out of the loop please never tell me anything" for anything. People like being in the loop of what they enjoy.

Unfortunately you've missed my whole point...
The response for silence is silence itself or ignoring - the people in the real world - the majority that don't write on forums etc. - if disappointed can decide to not support anymore this company and don't buy anymore their product,these are concrete facts,and there is no needs to open thread after thread on a forum for this

Instead here on the net we have some people too impatient to play a "stupid dlc" that pretends to know detailed informations about "what god only knows" (technical issues ) and even a release date when we already have a message from hines itself in which he clearly explain the reasons of the delay and various gstaff posts repeating the same thing - and bear in mind,we are talkin' of the same people that will buy dawnguard for ps3 at day one probably

I call this a paradox

[NAkeshIa BENNETT]

I would just be happy if Dawnguard came out for the PS3. My worry is that Dawnguard will never be released for the PS3. I own Oblivion GOTYE for the PS3 and it's missing a lot of the dlc. I played the Xbox 360 version of Oblivion over at my friend's house and I was like what's that, and that?! I wonder if that will happen again because of serious PS3 bugs as well as Microsoft deals where the PS3 version of Skyrim GOTYE will be missing a lot of the dlc that the PC and Xbox 360 has.

[Amanda savory]

Hey guys i am a proud owner of my PS3 and yeah im very angry at BUGTHESDA with their lack of communication with regards to Dawnguard and the 1.7 , but i decided to buy Kindoms of Amular any i think its better than that crap BUGTHESDA released

Not going to spend any more money on a crap gaming studios like BUGTHESDA , guess this is what MICROSHAFT had all along .

BUGTHESDA has lost alot of PS3 fans over this and alot of potential profit , but thats what cowboys are good at

[Marina Leigh]

Hey guys i am a proud owner of my PS3 and yeah im very angry at BUGTHESDA with their lack of communication with regards to Dawnguard and the 1.7 , but i decided to buy Kindoms of Amular any i think its better than that crap BUGTHESDA released

Not going to spend any more money on a crap gaming studios like BUGTHESDA , guess this is what MICROSHAFT had all along .

BUGTHESDA has lost alot of PS3 fans over this and alot of potential profit , but thats what cowboys are good at

Kingdoms of *Amalur.

[Rachyroo]

Unfortunately you've missed my whole point...
The response for silence is silence itself or ignoring - the people in the real world - the majority that don't write on forums etc. - if disappointed can decide to not support anymore this company and don't buy anymore their product,these are concrete facts,and there is no needs to open thread after thread on a forum for this

Instead here on the net we have some people too impatient to play a "stupid dlc" that pretends to know detailed informations about "what god only knows" (technical issues ) and even a release date when we already have a message from hines itself in which he clearly explain the reasons of the delay and various gstaff posts repeating the same thing - and bear in mind,we are talkin' of the same people that will buy dawnguard for ps3 at day one probably

I call this a paradox

Sorry, i missed your point too.

Unless its to willfully ignore people's legitimate anger over being strung along by Bethesda and wrongly tell folks that the responses they have received(IE-Hines' put upon tweets. I mean seriously, he is the VP of PR and Marketing, a position in a company that USUALLY means the owner of said title is in the know...) are in any way good enough? If so, sorry guy, not buying what you are peddling.

At any given time over the last few months when Dawnguard dlc was announced, made available, w/e; Beth. could easily have kept this current situation from coming to this pitch if they had just shown even a tiny bit of consideration for how the PS3 segment of their playerbase would react to this kind of treatment. I've been following Hines' twiiter feed, since that is the closest thing to an official channel and that guy is being rightfully eaten alive by some PS3 players. I don't agree with the WAY they are laying into him, but i can appreciate why they are.

Bethesda does NOT need or deserve white-knights swooping in to their defense. What they need is to wake up and seriously reassess their business model in regards to the PS3. And they need to do it post haste, because as bad as the pr for this current fiasco is, it will get so much worse if/when any other DLC is released before PS3 gets the initial Dawnguard dlc.

[Miguel]

No updates yet i see..........sad face!