[SamanthaLove]

Why can't we beta test it? Honestly... Xbox got a beta test. PS3 Dawnguard needs bugs fixing and we can't beta test it?

Because it doesn't exist.

[Laura Richards]

yeah i think i'll just buy the GOTY edition i'll definitely buy it if the 3'rd dlc is released before dawnguard for ps3. the base game was always broken it was more of a "can you see it kinda thing" most people didn't notice the bugs and glitches or they ignored them that's the problem, now bethesda has a real problem that hearthfire is releasing before dawnguard on ps3 now the "patient people" are getting mad and swearing to not buy any bethesda product again. if you look up a few hearthfire articles you will see alot of them have at least 1/3 of ps3 are complain about lack of dawnguard.

The GOTY edition? Doesn't seem like a smart move at all. I mean in thread 9, we all saw that Fallout New Vegas: Ultimate Edition vid, right? I haven't even played it, and seeing as Skyrim was my first try with Bethesda, and it is crap, I wouldn't get the GOTY, but that's just me. Not to mention since I've been here and heard you all speak about Beth's track record with games, which is disgusting. I would re-purchase every single CoD game TWICE before I bought a Beth GOTY ed' game.

[Agnieszka Bak]

you know it really does say 'Add on Content" on the back hmmmm...... but could this mean the patches used to fix the game???
I could see that as a argument thy would make against it if used against them

No, patches to fix something you already brought are not classed as add on content. And despite patch 1.7 adding mounted combat, I would still not class it as DLC. So the PS3 is going to get something eventually. There is still a week to go before Hearthfire comes out, and most have the patch needed for the PS3 to play Dawnguard now. So it would be nice to see Dawnguard next week. But if not, they never planned for the unforeseen problems with the PS3 version of Dawnguard, but they had already made arrangements with Microsoft for the release of the first two DLC packs on the Xbox 360, so I am sure they never intended to leave PS3 players out in the cold like that. But it would not be the first time PS3 players had to wait longer than anyone else for DLC, and they did tell us they were having problems with it, so nothing unexpected has happened.

[Kayla Oatney]

yeah i think i'll just buy the GOTY edition i'll definitely buy it if the 3'rd dlc is released before dawnguard for ps3. the base game was always broken it was more of a "can you see it kinda thing" most people didn't notice the bugs and glitches or they ignored them that's the problem, now bethesda has a real problem that hearthfire is releasing before dawnguard on ps3 now the "patient people" are getting mad and swearing to not buy any bethesda product again. if you look up a few hearthfire articles you will see alot of them have at least 1/3 of ps3 are complain about lack of dawnguard.

I've been reading articles on how its one of the worst delays of the year, the first few weeks it was nothing but disappointment about the lack of communication and so on. I've given up on reading now though. I got bored of it lol.

Because it doesn't exist.

The wizard I guess is bethesda and the dragon PS3. If you want to make it symbolic. Really I just wanted to put it there.

It's not enough to be classified as DLC though, plus since they bundled it into a required patch, they lost all hopes of using that argument as a scapegoat. I don't remember going into the Playstation Store, selecting Add-Ons, finding Skyrim and downloading patch 1.6 of my own free will. Plus who even uses horses enough for mounted combat to matter, since they die when they try to defend you every time.

I've never used a horse for combat, and never use a horse for travel even. It's annoying. They die fast, don't move fast (I prefer quick bursts over a long jog), and cant use spells while riding.

[Rik Douglas]

No, patches to fix something you already brought are not classed as add on content. And despite patch 1.7 adding mounted combat, I would still not class it as DLC. So the PS3 is going to get something eventually. There is still a week to go before Hearthfire comes out, and most have the patch needed for the PS3 to play Dawnguard now. So it would be nice to see Dawnguard next week. But if not, they never planned for the unforeseen problems with the PS3 version of Dawnguard, but they had already made arrangements with Microsoft for the release of the first two DLC packs on the Xbox 360, so I am sure they never intended to leave PS3 players out in the cold like that. But it would not be the first time PS3 players had to wait longer than anyone else for DLC, and they did tell us they were having problems with it, so nothing unexpected has happened.

well problems or not, it should be fixed by now. my feeling is Bethesda isn't saying what the problem is so thet can't get embarrassed like thq was then it took them 7 months to fix there online servers ( & btw it was just fixed & there next game in the series is in october. ) i maybe wrong, i may not be but whatever the problem is it should of been fixed & all verisons of the dlc should of been ready for release. because the faster you release it, the faster you make money business 101.

[TRIsha FEnnesse]

No, patches to fix something you already brought are not classed as add on content. And despite patch 1.7 adding mounted combat, I would still not class it as DLC. So the PS3 is going to get something eventually. There is still a week to go before Hearthfire comes out, and most have the patch needed for the PS3 to play Dawnguard now. So it would be nice to see Dawnguard next week. But if not, they never planned for the unforeseen problems with the PS3 version of Dawnguard, but they had already made arrangements with Microsoft for the release of the first two DLC packs on the Xbox 360, so I am sure they never intended to leave PS3 players out in the cold like that. But it would not be the first time PS3 players had to wait longer than anyone else for DLC, and they did tell us they were having problems with it, so nothing unexpected has happened.

what I mean is it's in the wording "Downloadable Content" and "Add on Content" can be two very different things
now if it said DLC on the back it could be used against them cause it's solid but AOC can and would be used as a proper counter (base game + anything = AOC)

[OnlyDumazzapplyhere]

No, patches to fix something you already brought are not classed as add on content. And despite patch 1.7 adding mounted combat, I would still not class it as DLC. So the PS3 is going to get something eventually. There is still a week to go before Hearthfire comes out, and most have the patch needed for the PS3 to play Dawnguard now. So it would be nice to see Dawnguard next week. But if not, they never planned for the unforeseen problems with the PS3 version of Dawnguard, but they had already made arrangements with Microsoft for the release of the first two DLC packs on the Xbox 360, so I am sure they never intended to leave PS3 players out in the cold like that. But it would not be the first time PS3 players had to wait longer than anyone else for DLC, and they did tell us they were having problems with it, so nothing unexpected has happened.

Problems, unforseen or otherwise, they may be having... but I very much doubt at this point they are technical. At risk of belabouring a point, I have nowhere, either in these forums, or in conversation with anyone working in the industry, heard any plausible description of what issues might be bedevilling Beth. with regards what is, evidently, quite a small-scale DLC. The only 'problem' I imagine they are currently having is that of moving product using the resources of a PS3 dev. department under-funded or under-staffed in view of maximising their return on investment. It may suit their balance-sheet, but they are reneging on their quite explicit promises of added, or 'add-on' value, to their PS3 customers.

[Tha King o Geekz]

[censored] thank you

[Auguste Bartholdi]

I actually didn't think they would get rid of my comment for referring to a deleted comment, without using any of it within my comment. No paraphrasing or quoting, just reference.

Well, I guess I half expected it.

[Andy durkan]

No, patches to fix something you already brought are not classed as add on content. And despite patch 1.7 adding mounted combat, I would still not class it as DLC. So the PS3 is going to get something eventually. There is still a week to go before Hearthfire comes out, and most have the patch needed for the PS3 to play Dawnguard now.

Actually, no PS3 player has a patch to play Dawnguard. They explicitly removed the DG trophies from the PS3 version of the 1.6/7 patch.

So it would be nice to see Dawnguard next week. But if not, they never planned for the unforeseen problems with the PS3 version of Dawnguard,

What were the unforseen problems? Because as far as I can tell, there were problems that the highest authorities in Bethesda, and likely Zenimax, knew fully well about before the product hit retail outlets.

This is to say nothing of the FO3:GOTY and FONV experience on PS3.

but they had already made arrangements with Microsoft for the release of the first two DLC packs on the Xbox 360,

A singular point of sense.

so I am sure they never intended to leave PS3 players out in the cold like that.

Not only did they intend it, but they are bordering on doing so malevolently. Read through some of GStaff's responses to PS3 customers. Observe the pattern of moderator behavior RE: PS3 woes. Note the track record of progressively lowered standards for the PS3 customer OB->FO3->FONV->Skyrim. Please think about these occurrences and then reassess their intent.

But it would not be the first time PS3 players had to wait longer than anyone else for DLC, and they did tell us they were having problems with it

They told us they were having problems with it right as it was made available on the second of the three platforms - while we were still in the dark about a three month old patch delay.

so nothing unexpected has happened.

Actually, a lot of unexpected things have happened. Like when I turn on Skyrim and my PS3 turns into a powerpoint presentation. Or hitting the water freezes your system. Oh, and all that great patch support, parity and such that the bethesda team had going - I actually expected them to follow through on that..

[Steven Nicholson]

I have soo much rage building...not only have Bethesda pretty much flipped off PS3 users, but now..what the hell is Hearthfire? A Sims rip off? Really, how about working on a expansion following the Aldmeri dominion...What are these designers/writers doing all day?!!!

[chinadoll]

There is got to be a way we can get some solid information about the current status of Dawnguard for the PS3 from Bethesda and I mean REAL information, not this crap Pete Hines has been spoon-feeding us for the past two months. There just has to be a way...

[Robyn Lena]

I've seen a lot of people trying to figure out what the problem is, it's no conspiracy, it simply comes down to the engine.

Skyrim, as well as the Fallout games, run on an engine that keeps track of everything in the game. Every weapon you drop, every piece of fruit, every chalice or plate, every dead body. It keeps all of this in your save file, which is why there were memory leaks that were causing single digit framerate early on. When you load the save file it needs to keep all of that information in the system RAM, which in the PS3 is split into two pools. This is where the problem is compared to the 360 (which has unified RAM) version. So the more items and information the game has to remember, the worse it's going to run. This is why the fallout games ran terribly and it's likely why DG is running so bad I doubt it would even get past certification if they tried to release it.

So basically, the issue is that Bethesda is using a game engine that was designed for PCs with large pools of available RAM and can't be easily scaled to PS3. They knew this was an issue and went along with it anyway. It's no secret, Obsidian admitted as much when questioned on New Vegas DLC breaking that game. There really isn't an easy way to fix it short of re-coding it using an entirely new game engine.

[Mr. Allen]

LOL SCUMTHE$DA!!! release date for the second dlc and PS3 doesnt even have dawnguard yet. Who the the [censored] made that decision either got a [censored] ton of money from M$ or is [censored]in [censored] and doesnt give a [censored] about there active Ps3 users. [censored]in scum bags, you win, ill buy skyrim for pc... but never xbox....[censored] NEVER YOU HEAR ME!!!!!! NOT AFTER THIS

[Mélida Brunet]

i really feel for the ps3 players, but in all reality dawnguard wasnt all that smooth on 360 it had bugs everywhere nevermind that the dlc is very subpar with the best part of it being the ability to use crossbows and the ability to make dragon armor and weapons with the ability to craft arrows, all of which should have been in the vanilla game anyway.

i used to be a bethesda really devoted fan, not anymore

[i grind hard]

i really feel for the ps3 players, but in all reality dawnguard wasnt all that smooth on 360 it had bugs everywhere nevermind that the dlc is very subpar with the best part of it being the ability to use crossbows and the ability to make dragon armor and weapons with the ability to craft arrows, all of which should have been in the vanilla game anyway.

i used to be a bethesda really devoted fan, not anymore

Well you might have thought crossbows and crafting dragon weapons and your own arrows the most interesting, but neither of my characters bothered with crossbows and one was not even up to crafting dragon stuff in smithing, and the other crafted one lot of dragon arrows and promptly decided to go back to the Daedric ones he usually used, he had no need for dragon weapons. I had a great time doing both sides of Dawnguard, and am still occasionally doing side quests while waiting to see if my third character is going to start Dawnguard.

Our local player of Skyrim on the PS3 appears to be throwing a temper tantrum, cannot imagine why he is so upset about that patch.

[R.I.P]

i really feel for the ps3 players, but in all reality dawnguard wasnt all that smooth on 360 it had bugs everywhere nevermind that the dlc is very subpar with the best part of it being the ability to use crossbows and the ability to make dragon armor and weapons with the ability to craft arrows, all of which should have been in the vanilla game anyway.

i used to be a bethesda really devoted fan, not anymore

This --^

You can keep the whole vampire lord schick, its the items that should have been in from day one that i want.

I invariably seem to end up with archery being one of my main(if not THE main) skills and its silly that i have to hope good arrows drop from lvl'd enemies or load in chests or shop-keeper's lists. Can make most everything else in the game, why not arrows? And crossbows? Forget about it! i have been waiting forever for them to make a return to TES series.

I've said before, i'd even be fine if they dropped Dawnguard all together if they would just offer a item pack for like $5 that adds all that gear in. I guess Hearthfire is good for something if it at least set precedence for a $5 pricepoint on dlc from Beth.

[biiibi]

I do not know when anything will be dawnguard

[Adam Baumgartner]

Bethesda, you just slapped PS3 players in the face by releasing Hearthfire trailer. You can't even communicate properly with the PS3 fan base but you can announce the release date of Hearthfire for 360? Clear sign of favoritism. The least you guys can do is tone down the price and communicate more often to PS3 plaers.

I expected more from Hearthfire, something like Shivering Isles or Bloodmoon. I did not expect a Sims 3 merged into TES. It's just a trailer and they probably have more,but still. I mean come on, adopting a kid and house building? I can build houses with mods and I can barely tolerate the presence of kids in this game except a few let alone live in my basemant.

[Michael Korkia]

They did say they would be making smaller dlc inbetween big dlcs so hearthfire was just a small dlc too keep people going till the next big dlc hearthfire is a small dlc that was done by a small team with a small price cost.

That aside I am disgusted about no info or no DG for the ps3

Also just to let you know the things you can do in hearthfire is the things that a lot of fans requested.

[Donald Richards]

Ha. Now Bethesda work for Microsoft that's all. Dawnguard will never see the day for ps3.

[Amiee Kent]

i really feel for the ps3 players, but in all reality dawnguard wasnt all that smooth on 360 it had bugs everywhere nevermind that the dlc is very subpar with the best part of it being the ability to use crossbows and the ability to make dragon armor and weapons with the ability to craft arrows, all of which should have been in the vanilla game anyway.

Thing is, I don't mind the minor errors, the only real problems I experienced was freezing on the loading screen. I just want a release date for dawnguard and less sarcastic comments like "we're just as upset as the ps3 users". Atleast if you're going to apologise don't make things up. Also an update on progress would be nice.

[Joanne Crump]

Bethesda I just wanna say srry, yesterday I saw the update for ps3 and I installed it. Woohoo MOUNTED COMBAT!!!! Dawnguard is here soon =D

[Louise Andrew]

Because it doesn't exist.

This. Because they're to busy trying to get house building and children adopting for xbox to worry about us lowly, insignificant ps3 players. The sad thing is, I have an xbox and a Pc, but haven't seemed to have gone out to get Skyrim for either of the other consoles. Must have been that tiny spark of hope...which was just lost.

[Marcia Renton]

ive stopped caring anymore. bethesda can get stuffed