PS3 Release for Dawnguard - Thread #12

Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:23 am

This isn't the first multiplatform game that's had problems on the PS3. The PS3 has memory issues. Everybody knows it. But every time it comes up, people act suprised about it. I truly am sorry for the PS3 only people out there. My brother is one of those who doesn't look like is going to get a chance to play Skyrim DLC. But people need to shift some of that anger and blame towards Sony. When the PS3 dropped they boasted a ten year lifespan. They didn't build the hardware to support the lifespan.

the ps3 does not have memory issues. you have to use the memory differently when programming for the ps3 and bethesda is too lazy to figure out how to properly program on the ps3. if they would actually code the game for the ps3 instead of forcing the 360 code onto the ps3 there would be no problems.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:52 pm

the ps3 does not have memory issues. you have to use the memory differently when programming for the ps3 and bethesda is too lazy to figure out how to properly program on the ps3. if they would actually code the game for the ps3 instead of forcing the 360 code onto the ps3 there would be no problems.

You are 100% correct. People who say the PS3 has memory issues, are just plain uninformed. The memory is simply used differently, and if you build an engine specifically with that in mind, you would have no issues with memory. However... when you build an engine for another console and try to digitally duct tape it to make it work on PS3... of course there will be problems.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:35 am

I was thinking this too, but I'm afraid the Sony guys are going to walk in, look at their coding, and say... throw it away and start over... cause what you got, is terrible.

I think their official title is "Sony code ninjas".
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 2:53 am

I think their official title is "Sony code ninjas".

LOL... you are right. Sorry.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:52 pm

If the issue with this DLC is relating to the lag previously seen by some PS3 players I would rather Dawnguard be made available and sold with a pay your money and there is a chance it may not run at 100% for everyone warning.

I'm happy to pay my money and take my chance rather than never see it on the pS3.

Not for $20.00 That's too big a gamble.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 1:49 am



I'm pretty sure Microsoft owns neither Intel nor AMD.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:02 am

I honestly don't know what to think, i'm not getting my hopes up, but i have to ask
Am i the ONLY ONE here that had no lag problems in both oblivion and fallout 3 ?!


You aren't the only one. I was a little surprised by this news, honestly. I've had zero problems from the other games, and the only issue I've had with Skyrim was the framerate drop when in markarth. Apparently we are extremely fortunate.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:07 pm

Why are we sitting here debating anymore about this? They dropped support for our platform months ago.

Gstaff has essentially confirmed what many of us said back in February - they will not fix the PS3 version.

It is broken beyond their willingness to repair at this point. This is not about technical feasibility, it is simply that they continue to choose to not invest the money and time into fixing things properly.

If you take anything they say at face value anymore you are truly naive. GStaff - why the hell should we believe you are 'working closely with Sony' ? And if you are why the hell did it take so long? I'm counting in years since the release of FO3 you have known about your issues...

Its worthless to dikeer over the split memory architecture or how SPEs are blazing fast but DMA pool sizes restrict memory addressing...

Pointless is pointless now.. They have given up. We paid for a broken product in November and Bethesda has done just enough to prevent the massive spotlight imbued from the 'scathing' journalism provided by gaming media. (Yeah thats sarcasm too).

How these people feel good about duping millions of customers is something I can't understand. This was their plan from the beginning, and if you need further evidence of their greedy and carless treatment of the Sony customer's just look at FONV:UE.

Despite all their rhetoric they do not care about the gamer.

Beth have managed to become as careless about gamers as if Chevy or Samsung started selling video games because there was margin to be had there. The PS3 release of Skyrim was a quick cash grab - period.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:59 pm

As a consumer who shelled out 60 bucks for a game I was highly anticipating, one which I knew was going to have its issues, and a faithful Bethesda fan..... this whole DG incident has really lowered my opinion of this company. There is no reason it has taken this long to at least say that they, the developers, are having serious issues with "coding" a freaking expansion to a game that has already been "coded" for the PS3! Not to mention already getting ready to release ANOTHER DLC pack for the 360 and PC!! HELLO, there are still PS3 consumers that would enjoy getting the first DLC that was released TWO months ago! Just kick us, the PS3 users, right in the BALLS a few more times. IF this DLC ever gets released on the PS3, it better come at a hefty discount or FREE! ...... I am done ranting....
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:03 pm

Bethesda is a pathetic excuse for a company. They can't even figure out how to use a console they've built games on for how long? Now they just keep working on EVERYTHING ELSE while PS3 has nothing. Great way to treat your fans, you know, screwing them over at release by giving us a game that was nothing but bugs and screwing us over on DLC.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 8:48 pm

To me it sounds like a carrot-on-a-stick idea. To follow their incompetence with up-most loyalty. It's too late for Beth, they made a mistake from the beginning, and now they are ashamed to see that they cannot fix the problem half way through the product life.

Very fair point.

My thought period is over, never buying and investing in another Bethesda project until their business model sees a complete overhaul. But doesn't change the fact i have paid for and invested time into(close to 1000 hours at this point, over my 4 characters) Skyrim. And if a cheapy little thing like i suggest was released, if nothing else it would help me close out my Skyrim journey somewhat.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 12:21 am

First off, I just wanted to give my sympathies to all PS3 users, it svcks not being able to play a game you like because of stupid technical issues. Everyone knows what that feels like, but in this particular instance it is very ugly.

Second, I think the biggest issue here overall is just how Bethesda is developing their games. I don't know anything about the new engine they are using to make Skyrim and subsequently all the additional content, but every other publisher that makes games for multiplatforms seems able to deliver a consistent experience regardless of what platform the game is being played on. Further, if you start with Oblivion, move on to Fallout 3, and now Skyrim, I believe you will find that a lot of issues that have been present in all those games continue to be present in all their current games. You can argue the games are overall more stable, but the reality is that Bethesda seems to continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over. I have a feeling their next effort is going to be a next gen experience, so it may be a chance for a fresh start, as it were, but with all this business with game glitches and software problems, you can bet I won't be purchasing their next game just because it has Fallout or Elder Scrolls on the box.

As ugly as all this is, Bethesda still has a great chance to redeem themsevles. I'm not saying I know what is enough or what I expect them to do, but I think we can all tell if their actions are sincere and constitute enough of an effort to warrant pardon. I am hoping their next game will be the ultimate RPG, they certainly have the capability, but it remains to be seen if they can pull together all the stuff on the technical end and then shore up all their missteps when it comes to design philosophy.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:36 pm

Bethesda is a pathetic excuse for a company. They can't even figure out how to use a console they've built games on for how long? Now they just keep working on EVERYTHING ELSE while PS3 has nothing. Great way to treat your fans, you know, screwing them over at release by giving us a game that was nothing but bugs and screwing us over on DLC.
Ok lets see you make a game! They are working on it best they can and its not just Skyrim having trouble, all multi-platform games have trouble with PS3. I don't hate the PS3 or anyting I just get sick of all the hate Bethesda posts and crap they are a great company and they can't help it if the PS3 has trouble supporting DG.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 6:28 am

I like reading all the people saying it's the PS3's fault because of the memory. I find that funny because the only game's that run horrible on my system are games with the name Bethesda on them. I would also like to add the gamebryo engine is a pos Rift the MMO uses the gamebryo engine but heavily modded I might add I find it funny how that game has performance issues as well. People with top end gameing PC's have fps issues on that game and I wonder why hmm.

Ok lets see you make a game! They are working on it best they can and its not just Skyrim having trouble, all multi-platform games have trouble with PS3. I don't hate the PS3 or anyting I just get sick of all the hate Bethesda posts and crap they are a great company and they can't help it if the PS3 has trouble supporting DG.
Sorry but all multi platform games do not I have a lot of games and only the ones made by Bethesda have problems on my system so please try again.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 11:32 pm

I like reading all the people saying it's the PS3's fault because of the memory. I find that funny because the only game's that run horrible on my system are games with the name Bethesda on them. I would also like to add the gamebryo engine is a pos Rift the MMO uses the gamebryo engine but heavily modded I might add I find it funny how that game has performance issues as well. People with top end gameing PC's have fps issues on that game and I wonder why hmm.

Sorry but all multi platform games do not I have a lot of games and only the ones made by Bethesda have problems on my system so please try again.
Then I have a solution: Stop buying Betesda products if they're the only ones that don't work on your system.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 6:02 pm

Then I have a solution: Stop buying Betesda products if they're the only ones that don't work on your system.
Don't worry I won't you see they [censored] lied and said Skyrim was on a new engine and would run just as good as the xbox and pc version. I won't be fooled again trust me.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 4:49 pm

Pete said dawnguard is playable as it is on the ps3 but some would have issues and some wouldn't.... What's the difference? That just sounds like the vanilla skyrim anyway let alone the dlc.

He then said everyones save file is different so I'm assuming he talking about about the over large save files maybe?
As much as it would be a pain not to use my main (14-15mb) character I'd be happy to start a new fresh character and save game file for dawnguard until they find a more permanent and stable fix.

Psh that explains every system they released for. 360, PC, it's all hit or miss broken game or perfect game
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 5:43 pm

Oblivion on ps3 was appalling compared to the way it looked on xbox360, like a lot of the early ports (GTAIV is another) are horrible looking graphically and therefore unplayable . However if you never saw the xbox360 version you wouldn't notice.

Bethesda games were always buggy on both consoles...but I accepted it and defended Bethesda because I loved their games, worlds they created for me to experience. I even had a soft spot for the Elder Scrolls series because Morrowind helped me to get over FP motion sickness. 10 long years I supported this company's console endeavours buying special editions, dlc, strategy guides, collectors editions, goty versions (on the alternate console) even buying games they published ...I freakin' bought WET.

I'm not angry any more, I'm not upset... I'm just done. I have both a ps3 and an xbox360 I could buy Skyrim on the xbox but I won't. I bought Skyrim for my console of choice (the ps3) I will wait for the Skyrim Ultimate edition that will eventually appear for xbox and I will buy it used.10 years is a long time to support a company. Voting with my wallet

Thanks for the memories
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 9:15 am

Don't worry I won't you see they [censored] lied and said Skyrim was on a new engine and would run just as good as the xbox and pc version. I won't be fooled again trust me.
I would be pissed if it wouldn't work for Xbox I guess, but thats why I bought an Xbox for multi-platform games and a PS3 for exclusives like God of War and Uncharted and Blue-ray.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 3:12 am

Then I have a solution: Stop buying Betesda products if they're the only ones that don't work on your system.
Done.

And also please tell your favorite company (Bethesda) to stop lying to people pre-release.

They explicity lied to the PS3 customer base - many of whom asked before release - "Have you figured out the PS3 yet, or will you have another company port it like Oblivion?"

To which Beth responded with things like 'all new engine' and 'solved the problems long ago' and 'good place of parity'. These statements were getting plastered all over the place before the game was released.

First off, I just wanted to give my sympathies to all PS3 users, it svcks not being able to play a game you like because of stupid technical issues. Everyone knows what that feels like, but in this particular instance it is very ugly.
Made ugly, I think, for the reasons I outlined above.

Second, I think the biggest issue here overall is just how Bethesda is developing their games. I don't know anything about the new engine they are using to make Skyrim and subsequently all the additional content, but every other publisher that makes games for multiplatforms seems able to deliver a consistent experience regardless of what platform the game is being played on. Further, if you start with Oblivion, move on to Fallout 3, and now Skyrim, I believe you will find that a lot of issues that have been present in all those games continue to be present in all their current games.
There is not so much new about this engine except perhaps the more aggressive swappiness. The all new engine hyperbole I think we can certainly debunk at this point.

You can argue the games are overall more stable, but the reality is that Bethesda seems to continue to make the same mistakes over and over and over. I have a feeling their next effort is going to be a next gen experience, so it may be a chance for a fresh start, as it were, but with all this business with game glitches and software problems, you can bet I won't be purchasing their next game just because it has Fallout or Elder Scrolls on the box.
If you're a PS3 customer, you really can not argue the games are more stable.

Oblivion > FO3 > FONV > Skyrim.

It has actually been getting WORSE.

As ugly as all this is, Bethesda still has a great chance to redeem themsevles. I'm not saying I know what is enough or what I expect them to do, but I think we can all tell if their actions are sincere and constitute enough of an effort to warrant pardon. I am hoping their next game will be the ultimate RPG, they certainly have the capability, but it remains to be seen if they can pull together all the stuff on the technical end and then shore up all their missteps when it comes to design philosophy.
They can not redeem themselves with their next title. They can only redeem themselves by making reparations to those who are stuck with an unsupported and marginally broken product right now.

Both Skyrim and FONV:UE are messes on the PS3 and they never should have been released. They knew before both releases about the issues and still duped millions of customers.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 10:45 pm

People were losing interest in Dawnguard after the first month it was out for XBox and this recent update hasn't done anything other than confirm that the DLC has varying performances on the Ps3, most of them seemingly poor from the impression that Bethesda has left us with.

What I can't seem to get over is why this topic has hailed twelve threads. Every thread it's the same thing: disappointment, bitterness, and arguing, and I don't foresee that changing in the next thread or the thread after that. [censored] happens, move on.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 7:41 pm

I would be pissed if it wouldn't work for Xbox I guess, but thats why I bought an Xbox for multi-platform games and a PS3 for exclusives like God of War and Uncharted and Blue-ray.
Well you see when I buy a console I expect every game to work equal as the other console. If this is what console gaming is coming to then I am done with console gaming I will just start playing an MMO again at least those games work and if something is wrong they fix it. Rift being the exception since they use the Gamebryo engine.
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Post » Sat Nov 17, 2012 9:04 pm

Is there an Ombusman service for such stituations as this? I really think a gaming Ombusman service would be the way to go when dealing with these situations. The only way they'll improve service and quality it is to hit them harder than a lost section of fanbase ever could.
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 7:46 am

so after what gstaff said we are not getting dawnguard ?
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Post » Sun Nov 18, 2012 5:51 am

Is there an Ombusman service for such stituations as this? I really think a gaming Ombusman service would be the way to go when dealing with these situations. The only way they'll improve service and quality it is to hit them harder than a lost section of fanbase ever could.

loss section of fanbase means loss section of $$$'s, £££'s euros or whatever the currency of Sweden is (Zenimax is located I think). How many units actually sold for the ps3 - worldwide? Disregarding how many people have bought used copies, how many units of the game have actually sold? That's a lot of people to anger/ upset/ annoy. Not to mention (i'll tell 2 friends and you'll tell 2 friends effect)

So how many people will stop buying even Bethesda published games like the Dishonoured on the ps3 because of the appalling lack of support for their own titles - let alone titles they just merely publish. Really want to hurt business, hurt them where it counts (in the pocket because ombusman will only fine them and that will be far less than the sales profit they make on 1 title)
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