[Olga Xx]

Ha, I am really sorry, but this whole thing about Bethesda relesing Dawnguard for free is impossible, there would be complaints from pc players and Xbox, and this is something that no (big) company will allow. We should be thankfull if they relese it and if they relese it with same price as Xbox and Pc, because if they relese it they may raise price to get money they lost on adapting it to ps3

if Bethesda were to raise the price it would be alot worse then it is now....

[Ann Church]

if Bethesda were to raise the price it would be alot worse then it is now....

Of course it would but ask yourself, this do they care now , what people on Ps3 think?

[naome duncan]

^ Nope they still don't care.

[gemma]

And the new Metal Gear Solid will probably be WAY more demanding than Skyrim, yet will most likely work perfectly.

Yeah, Ground Zeroes is going to be a behemoth and having it run on this gen consoles seems impossible, but we're talking about Kojima here, not Bethesda.

[His Bella]

The only thing I don't like about this whole thing is the lack of updates on the DLC's status. I wouldn't mind the wait so much if they just told us where they are with it. And a basic timeframe would be nice too.

[A Boy called Marilyn]

Bethesda release various games on PS3 which are apparently highly bug ridden, people rightfully complain. Now they have a DLC in the works which they feel doesn't perform adequately, they withhold the release to help improve the performance, people complain. Now I understand that people are unhappy but have some sense. How is this an excuse? Why would they damage their reputation and intentionally withhold the release of their DLC even longer for any other reason than to improve its quality. Its a business, they want to release it. Even businesses which look at customers as simply sources of income care about what people think of them. I imagine the team is disappointed and wants to resolve the issues as quick as possible.

I personally think that its an excuse for very poor planning on Bethesda's part. A while back i posted this

Way i'm guessing(guessing as no one knows) it went down:

1) Start work on dlc.

2) Contacted by Microsoft about deal and GIVEN a release date they have to meet.

3) Meet release date by scrapping other platforms for the time being and rushing out a barely playable xbox 360 version.

4) Figure(wrongly) that they can quickly port to PC and PS3, as even the PC version seems to have been a chore for them.
a) Prolly only ever started with porting the PC version near the end of that 30 day 360 period.
b)PS3 version prolly never even had any work done on it until the PC version was 'ready' for release.

5) Higher-ups prolly have said to try and make something happen with a PS3 version of the dlc, but that if/when other projects begin to pickup shelving the PS3 content is ok to be shelved for a future collection release.

That's my take on all this anyways.

Was just a guess on my part of course, but its really looking likely now that's how things may have gone down. Of course no one but Beth. knows everything, but there is one point that is not in dispute, all the specific platform versions of Dawnguard were NOT prepared and ready to go as they should have been at the end of 360 exclusivity, which is the absolute latest that should have been. Ideally, Beth. should have had actual working versions of all 3 platform versions before that 30 day window started.

"withhold the release to help improve the performance" is coming to mean "withhold the release to help improve the performance finish it" in my opinion. And true TWeet Hines is saying that some ppl could play DG as is now, but i do not trust that man any farther than my 100 pound sister could throw him.

i have to say reading these posts was an eye opening experience. lots of interesting opinions. though as a life long elder scrolls and fallout fan i am on the edge of the cliff of overwhelming dissapointment, please dont make me fall!!

i think that bethesda should just man up and make a decision now and state catagorically if ps3 users will or will not get any of the DLCs. if they cant get them to work properly then they should drop them all together, but make sure they tell us sooner rather than later. i no longer care about dawnguard (in my opinion the whole vampire thing is overdone, boring and for girly emo kids, plus the genre was ruined by those crappy twi-[censored]e films) but it would be nice to know if any of the others will be available. we havent heard anything about the possibility of harthfire let alone any others, but the sooner we know the less we will [censored] about it.

on another note, within the next 6 to 8 months there are many new and superb (also fully working) titles coming onto the market, such as AC3, gtaV etc. if bethesda no longer want to play ball with ps3 users then thats their problem, there are plenty of other games out there i can and will spend my money on.

Skyrim and its dlc's should relly be the swan song for Bethesda on the PS3. With the PS4 on the horizon, they should finish any projects current in que for development, then close up shop on the PS3. After they have come to full stop, they need to scrap their current patchwork game engine and start on a new one from scratch. And during development of this new engine, Beth. needs to get with both Microsoft AND Sony and make sure they can work with both.

Ha, I am really sorry, but this whole thing about Bethesda relesing Dawnguard for free is impossible, there would be complaints from pc players and Xbox, and this is something that no (big) company will allow. We should be thankfull if they relese it and if they relese it with same price as Xbox and Pc, because if they relese it they may raise price to get money they lost on adapting it to ps3

Of course it would but ask yourself, this do they care now , what people on Ps3 think?

I know i'm in the minority on this, but i do not think PS3 users should get anything for free here. Substantial discount and/or some other gift to show that Bethesda indeed acknowledges they could have and should have done better, of course. But free, nah.

I think PS3 was ~30% of total Skyrim sales; not an insubstantial percentage by any means, but not enough for Beth. to take a total loss on the entire DG product.

[Jade]

Just a thought, some guy made a fallout mod that removed one rock from the game thereby improving performance.

All that junk like embalming tools and bloody rags that serve no function, surely if they were removed the game wouldn't have to track them ergo improving performance? Or am I missing something?

[Noraima Vega]

Again, thankfully I have a friend that will be giving me his old 360 when he gets his 360 Slim. So I'm just going to sell my PS3 copy of Skyrim and buy a 360 copy of Skyrim off of Amazon for $40. I'm sick of waiting for Bethesda to release DLC for the PS3 version of Skyrim, it'll probably never come any ways.

[I’m my own]

Again, thankfully I have a friend that will be giving me his old 360 when he gets his 360 Slim. So I'm just going to sell my PS3 copy of Skyrim and buy a 360 copy of Skyrim off of Amazon for $40. I'm sick of waiting for Bethesda to release DLC for the PS3 version of Skyrim, it'll probably never come any ways.

Your sick of waiting but you are going to give them more money.....

[Mélida Brunet]

well dawngaurd was a good though just svcks that i may not see it well i for sure wont buy anymore more of bethesda games i wont even buy rage.

[Adam Baumgartner]

So...here's how I read the latest update....

Micro$oft gave Beth big bucks for early release. xboxers lovin' it.

Then they release it for PC. No one PC company to get money from, so the later release doesn't piss anyone off except the consumer. and we know Beth doesn't care about THEM....................

Then Beth says they're having trouble with the PS3 version, but they are working closely with Sony to fix the problem.

ok...maybe its just me, but Skyrim works on all three platforms NOW. what is so different between the game and the dlc??? Nothing.

Beth is working closely with Sony.......maybe Beth is trying to shake down Sony for some money thnking that (as quite a few have done) consumers will either buy an xbox and the game and the dlc or at least multiple console owners will pony up extra money for an xbox version and the dlc. either way, Beth stands to make a LOT of money whether Sony gets on-board or not. And the sheople will go along because they just have to play the newest crap.


PS3 is not new and if you can't code for it, you're not trying. I will not jump ship to xbox....for a number of reasons. and i sure as hell won't reward shady business practices either.

[Grace Francis]

So...here's how I read the latest update....

Micro$oft gave Beth big bucks for early release. xboxers lovin' it.

Then they release it for PC. No one PC company to get money from, so the later release doesn't piss anyone off except the consumer. and we know Beth doesn't care about THEM....................

Then Beth says they're having trouble with the PS3 version, but they are working closely with Sony to fix the problem.

ok...maybe its just me, but Skyrim works on all three platforms NOW. what is so different between the game and the dlc??? Nothing.

Beth is working closely with Sony.......maybe Beth is trying to shake down Sony for some money thnking that (as quite a few have done) consumers will either buy an xbox and the game and the dlc or at least multiple console owners will pony up extra money for an xbox version and the dlc. either way, Beth stands to make a LOT of money whether Sony gets on-board or not. And the sheople will go along because they just have to play the newest crap.


PS3 is not new and if you can't code for it, you're not trying. I will not jump ship to xbox....for a number of reasons. and i sure as hell won't reward shady business practices either.

In fairness those "shady business practices" if you're referring to the timed DLC, Sony does it with AC3 and BF3(althought they only last a week not a month) so don't condam businesses useing them because they all do it.

[Amelia Pritchard]

Just a thought, some guy made a fallout mod that removed one rock from the game thereby improving performance.

All that junk like embalming tools and bloody rags that serve no function, surely if they were removed the game wouldn't have to track them ergo improving performance? Or am I missing something?

Good doctor, you've just opened the veritable weave basket of soul gem 'fragments'. Colour me simple, but can anyone explain the genesis of the almost pathalogical looting culture of this game? Why am I left holding a hundred linen wraps and no DLC? Am I making a pretty new dress? Experts, gurus, Mensa candidates - real talk: what is the typical highest drain on memory in any given scenario of Skyrim on my PS3?

[Travis]

In fairness those "shady business practices" if you're referring to the timed DLC, Sony does it with AC3 and BF3(althought they only last a week not a month) so don't condam businesses useing them because they all do it.

Exactly, business is business. Bethesda(or any business for that matter) would have been an idiot to not take the essentially free money that Microsoft was offering to give the Xbox a 30 day head-start on Dawnguard and soo Hearthfire DLCs.

I've been reading the various articles about all of this and an idea that i'm seeing pop up more and more is Microsoft may have been ripped off in all of this. I never thought of it that way, but the writer's who exploring the possible pov Microsoft could take in all of this, is very interesting imo.

Microsoft pays for timed exclusives. Turns out that(possibly) PS3 won't be getting any Skyrim DLC anyways. So in this scenario, Microsoft has paid for what really? I wonder what the Microsoft reps are/will be thinking if they read some of those articles.

[Red Bevinz]

Exactly, business is business. Bethesda(or any business for that matter) would have been an idiot to not take the essentially free money that Microsoft was offering to give the Xbox a 30 day head-start on Dawnguard and soo Hearthfire DLCs.

I've been reading the various articles about all of this and an idea that i'm seeing pop up more and more is Microsoft may have been ripped off in all of this. I never thought of it that way, but the writer's who exploring the possible pov Microsoft could take in all of this, is very interesting imo.

Microsoft pays for timed exclusives. Turns out that(possibly) PS3 won't be getting any Skyrim DLC anyways. So in this scenario, Microsoft has paid for what really? I wonder what the Microsoft reps are/will be thinking if they read some of those articles.

Well this is assuming that Microsoft didnt just pay bethesda to wait on all the PS3 DLC's until GOTY comes out. Because if they did that it would be well worth their money to do this (How many have bought Xbox's now that Skyrim DLC may not come out, or how many people have bought MS points and skyrim, either way its profit for Bethesda)

[Gaelle Courant]

Exactly, business is business. Bethesda(or any business for that matter) would have been an idiot to not take the essentially free money that Microsoft was offering to give the Xbox a 30 day head-start on Dawnguard and soo Hearthfire DLCs.

I've been reading the various articles about all of this and an idea that i'm seeing pop up more and more is Microsoft may have been ripped off in all of this. I never thought of it that way, but the writer's who exploring the possible pov Microsoft could take in all of this, is very interesting imo.

Microsoft pays for timed exclusives. Turns out that(possibly) PS3 won't be getting any Skyrim DLC anyways. So in this scenario, Microsoft has paid for what really? I wonder what the Microsoft reps are/will be thinking if they read some of those articles.

That is why I do not want DG to come to the PS3 because MS will be asking for money back because the PS3 is out of the picture. Also MS is ripping themself off I mean do what Sony does a week timed DLC not a month in a week the hype for it will still be about in a month poeple couldn't careless.

[asako]

Well this is assuming that Microsoft didnt just pay bethesda to wait on all the PS3 DLC's until GOTY comes out. Because if they did that it would be well worth their money to do this (How many have bought Xbox's now that Skyrim DLC may not come out, or how many people have bought MS points and skyrim, either way its profit for Bethesda)

A distinct possibility, but wouldn't an agreement like that kinda shoot right past "timed exclusive" land and into the forbidden zone of "trust"-ville?

[ShOrty]

That is why I do not want DG to come to the PS3 because MS will be asking for money back because the PS3 is out of the picture. Also MS is ripping themself off I mean do what Sony does a week timed DLC not a month in a week the hype for it will still be about in a month poeple couldn't careless.

Let them ask for it all back i say, if that scenario were to play out. That's between Microsoft and Bethesda. Whether or not Dawnguard should be released shouldn't even enter into that theoretical happenstance of Bethesda having broken another obligation.

[BlackaneseB]

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[Sandeep Khatkar]

Let them ask for it all back i say, if that scenario were to play out. That's between Microsoft and Bethesda. Whether or not Dawnguard should be released shouldn't even enter into that theoretical happenstance of Bethesda having broken another obligation.

Ya I guess. It wouldn't be the first time for Beth breaking thier obligation it would be no suprise if it happens.

[Felix Walde]

GOOD NEWS!!!!!!



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[Lyndsey Bird]

Microsoft pays for timed exclusives. Turns out that(possibly) PS3 won't be getting any Skyrim DLC anyways. So in this scenario, Microsoft has paid for what really? I wonder what the Microsoft reps are/will be thinking if they read some of those articles.

that's actually a very good point I never thought of...

Although I never held it against microsoft for getting their 30 day exclusive, but I never thought of the PS3 not getting DLC making it a screw over to Microsoft...

That would mean that Bethesda is actually just messing everybody up. But for those who paid fora 360 or a new copy of skyrim for 360, they're helping to compensate any wasted funds. Although those people may have bought it even without the exclusive idea, but the exclusive idea may have made buying a new game seem more appealing in some way.

[Ana Torrecilla Cabeza]

that's actually a very good point I never thought of...

Although I never held it against microsoft for getting their 30 day exclusive, but I never thought of the PS3 not getting DLC making it a screw over to Microsoft...

That would mean that Bethesda is actually just messing everybody up. But for those who paid fora 360 or a new copy of skyrim for 360, they're helping to compensate any wasted funds. Although those people may have bought it even without the exclusive idea, but the exclusive idea may have made buying a new game seem more appealing in some way.

Well unlike most games, a lot of Elder Scrolls fans would be playing the PC version, so Microsoft still got an exclusive. Probably there are a lot more PC Skyrim fans than PS3, despite all the noise the PS3 players make.

[Minako]

Well unlike most games, a lot of Elder Scrolls fans would be playing the PC version, so Microsoft still got an exclusive. Probably there are a lot more PC Skyrim fans than PS3, despite all the noise the PS3 players make.

Xbox 60%, PS3 30% and PC 10%. PS3 gamer out number PC gamer for Skyrim.

[Darrell Fawcett]

Well unlike most games, a lot of Elder Scrolls fans would be playing the PC version, so Microsoft still got an exclusive. Probably there are a lot more PC Skyrim fans than PS3, despite all the noise the PS3 players make.

Which doesn't change the fact that in the theoretical scenario, the Xbox 360 didn't get the exclusive that Microsoft paid for. The PC version of Skyrim and its attendant DLC's and player don't even come into it.