[Vickey Martinez]

Don't you just love the dawnguard advert at the top of a thread filled with angry consumers complaining about not be able to purchase it!

[Anna S]

hey,

here is a tweet from mr. hines that i found interesting, saw it yesterday:

Pete Hines ?@DCDeacon
@Unctarheelram the console hasn't changed since then. limitations are limitations. Big, massive games take big, massive resources.

for me that makes it very clear that bethesda is still (in the current situation!!) far away from hindsight.
instead they are using the same excuse over and over again!

[Queen]

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Don't know what this is about....maybe....just maybe....Dawnguard?? DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH... But i would think....that if DG is ready for release....Playstation would shut down PSN to get it on there ASAP.....that is just my opinion.....however the fact is.......Maintenance for psn is coming MONDAY!!

this is just an ps3 update they do every once in a while

[Christine]

People post as if Bethesda is intentionally holding back the PS3 version of Dawnguard. It's bad sure but if Bethesda is having problems getting it stable there isn't much they can do about it. If they aren't saying anything new it's because nothing has changed.

Fine they can't get it to work for the ps3, so why not develop New DLC that does work for the ps3! that is sold only on the ps3?

1. What does Bethesda have to gain from a PS3 exclusive DLC?
2. This just enforces what you're all [censored]ing about, platform unfairness.

Stop acting like a brat who can't get his new toy.

[Lucie H]

this is just an ps3 update they do every once in a while

^this

[Josephine Gowing]

People post as if Bethesda is intentionally holding back the PS3 version of Dawnguard. It's bad sure but if Bethesda is having problems getting it stable there isn't much they can do about it. If they aren't saying anything new it's because nothing has changed.

Or they never intended it for the ps3 because MicroSh ite payed them a huge wad of cash not too, in the hopes that it would entice ps3 players over to the xbox. Not something bethesda would want their loyal fans aware of, best to keep the ps3 crowd in the dark while sponging of microsh ite.

[Yvonne Gruening]

Or they never intended it for the ps3 because MicroSh ite payed them a huge wad of cash not too, in the hopes that it would entice ps3 players over to the xbox. Not something bethesda would want their loyal fans aware of, best to keep the ps3 crowd in the dark while sponging of microsh ite.

Now we're going waaaaaaay out on a limb...

[dav]

People post as if Bethesda is intentionally holding back the PS3 version of Dawnguard. It's bad sure but if Bethesda is having problems getting it stable there isn't much they can do about it. If they aren't saying anything new it's because nothing has changed.



1. What does Bethesda have to gain from a PS3 exclusive DLC?
2. This just enforces what you're all [censored]ing about, platform unfairness.

Stop acting like a brat who can't get his new toy.

Haha, is that how your parents scold you?
I'll throw as big a tantrum as I like my good man,

[Pawel Platek]

Now we're going waaaaaaay out on a limb...

Yhea I know but still not an impossibility, can we really say that MS wouldn't sink to this level:)
I mean we can say what we like but Money does crazy things to people

[Oceavision]

$14? Yikes. That's why I hate selling my used games. Gamestop will turn around and sell that puppy for like 40 bucks.

Just for some clarity, neither Bethesda nor Xbox are the only ones that have exclusive deals. Sony has many full games completely exclusive to their system. Ps3 users are lucky in terms off being the only ones who can enjoy an awesome game series like Uncharted.


Anyway, I do hope you PS3 users will at least get Hearthfire after the 30 days is up. I don't know much about coding or why Dawnguard is causing them so much trouble but since Hearthfire is significantly smaller I don't see why it should be delayed any more than the expected 30 days,

Just pointing out that Uncharted is a poor example. Sony OWNS Naughty Dog, so Uncharted is exclusive because Sony makes it. I would not expect Sony to port a game they make in house to other systems. The problem mentioned was third party exclusivity, not first party. So yeah. Bad example, though your point is still valid that both sides have played the exclusivity coin.

I'm just hoping that at some point, the DLC issues get resolved. The size of this game is inconsequential to the release of the DLC. Had they condensed the game to 8 or 9 GB on the Blu-Ray and used the remaining space for on the disc DLC, size really wouldn't come into it. It's sounds more like it's just a matter of bad coding, which is unfortunate, as the game itself is brilliant and the DLC looks great. As mentioned by others though, similar open world games manage to get by on the system with far less difficulty. I bought Skyrim for the PS3 to play Skyrim. Never had a slow down issue, just two separate game freezes. While the DLC would be nice and was promised per the packaging, I could just as easily live without it. I'd welcome it, but it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the main game one bit, especially now that the game has been patched. Here's hoping they get things sorted in a timely fashion but honestly, come December, we'll all be too busy playing new titles to concern ourselves with these DLC issues.

[Joe Bonney]

Just pointing out that Uncharted is a poor example. Sony OWNS Naughty Dog, so Uncharted is exclusive because Sony makes it. I would not expect Sony to port a game they make in house to other systems. The problem mentioned was third party exclusivity, not first party. So yeah. Bad example, though your point is still valid that both sides have played the exclusivity coin.

I'm just hoping that at some point, the DLC issues get resolved. The size of this game is inconsequential to the release of the DLC. Had they condensed the game to 8 or 9 GB on the Blu-Ray and used the remaining space for on the disc DLC, size really wouldn't come into it. It's sounds more like it's just a matter of bad coding, which is unfortunate, as the game itself is brilliant and the DLC looks great. As mentioned by others though, similar open world games manage to get by on the system with far less difficulty. I bought Skyrim for the PS3 to play Skyrim. Never had a slow down issue, just two separate game freezes. While the DLC would be nice and was promised per the packaging, I could just as easily live without it. I'd welcome it, but it doesn't affect my enjoyment of the main game one bit, especially now that the game has been patched. Here's hoping they get things sorted in a timely fashion but honestly, come December, we'll all be too busy playing new titles to concern ourselves with these DLC issues.

Roll on far cry 3:)!!

[Sophie Morrell]

Sadly, the PS3 console platform and the gamers that play exclusively on it, historically speaking at least, has always been treated as "third class" by Bethesda. The DLCs for Fallout New Vegas after "Dead Money" were the exception, but sadly not the rule.

Much to the detriment of non XBOX360 owners, Microsoft will probably continue paying out for "timed exclusive" DLC contracts and publishers like Bethesda will continue taking the money. Sure, it's good for Microsoft, good for Bethesda and good for the the gamers who own and game the Xbox 360 console.

But for the rest of us: It's not so good for PC players who have to wait out the timed exclusive and even worse for PS3 players. Specifically in the case of the Dawnguard DLC as the Bethesda developers strive at making the Dawnguard DLC release for the PS3 stable and playable, hopefully treating this issue with the PS3 Dawnguard DLC port as their highest priority.

Though seeing that it has already been one month past the PC release, and they have already moved on to developing and releasing the second Skyrim DLC Hearthfire for the Xbox 360, I seriously doubt it that it's their "highest" priority. With no other knowledge at hand, it feels as if the PS3 platform and the gamers to play on it are just an afterthought to Bethesda at best and until they say otherwise, I'll continue assuming that is indeed the case!

Of course a little communication from Bethesda with the PS3 Skyrim gamers/fans would go a long way. If making timely PS3 releases is not their "strong suit" at they very least, they can work on their public relations with the PS3 gamers, communicate with us and give us your assurances that you care about more than just taking our money and that you want to keep us as your loyal fans and at the very best they can put more development resources into the project and even outsource more seasoned PS3 developers to speed up the release of their already missed Dawnguard deadline.

This is the age of communication and there's really no excuse for keeping us PS3 Skyrim gamers in the dark like this for over a month!!!

Anyway that's just my humble opinion...

honestly I heard some 360 people complaining about the timed exclusive saying they don't care if other people don't have it and they do, they just want it on day 1 lol

Microsoft wasted their money on the timed exclusives anyways. No one else is getting their DLC at the end of the 30 days which means that the minimum 30 day wait would have happened regardless.

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Don't know what this is about....maybe....just maybe....Dawnguard?? DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH... But i would think....that if DG is ready for release....Playstation would shut down PSN to get it on there ASAP.....that is just my opinion.....however the fact is.......Maintenance for psn is coming MONDAY!!

They had stated earlier that the second that dawnguard is playable and working they will make an announcement and that there would be no surprises. So no point in randomly checking PSN either since PSN gives announcements on their stores updates, and Beth is planning to tell you the second that they send it into PSN






anywho on a sidenote, I got $25.50 or so for a used copy of skyrim on PS3
So anyone done with the game looking for something else, hopefully the gamestop in your area is having some kind of trade in deal like mine was xD

[Rude Gurl]

Far Cry looks interesting for sure. I'm hoping Naughty Dog will surprise us and get the Last of Us to stores by the end of December instead of next year. I'm also looking forward to Dishonored, yes, I know it could be the same situation as Skyrim...

[Victoria Vasileva]

Far Cry looks interesting for sure. I'm hoping Naughty Dog will surprise us and get the Last of Us to stores by the end of the December instead of next year. I'm also looking forward to Dishonored, yes, I know it could be the same situation as Skyrim...

well it's actually less likely that dishonored has issues seeing how it was made by another company, and beth just slapped its name on it.

But to me it's guilty by association so I'm evading it.

[Nicole Elocin]

Yeah just wait, once Dishonored's out of the door the "not surprise" will be cancellation of all DLC.

I agree with the guy earlier who said PS3 owners just aren't going to make Beth games a priority anymore after this thus hurting their day one sales.

edit for spelling and a dyslexic keyboard

[Robert Garcia]

"PS3 version will be delayed a bit "

REMOVE. THAT. LINE.

Seriously,it's misleading, No one at Bethesda ever said it was delayed. They haven't even announce it yet. They just said they're not going to release the DLC anytime soon,and that they doubt they'll ever manage to fix it. To cut a long story short

[electro_fantics]

"PS3 version will be delayed a bit "

REMOVE. THAT. LINE.

Seriously,it's misleading, No one at Bethesda ever said it was delayed. They haven't even announce it yet. They just said they're not going to release the DLC anytime soon,and that they doubt they'll ever manage to fix it. To cut a long story short

seeing how it TECHNICALLY never had an official release date and all we had were assumed released dates, that could be bad news.

Seeing how after it's announced, they could still delay xD

[Chrissie Pillinger]

• I seriously wished I would have come to this realization sooner before I started getting their games, or tried getting their games.
  
• At least some companies now refuse this timed exclusive money, like Rockstar. They realized the potential loss in doing so and stopped doing it after GTA4.
  
• no comment
  
• Not until they say otherwise, but until they PROVE otherwise. Pretty much anything they say now is more hollow than a tennis ball.
  
• If only they would realize that in the first place: just say "we having a hard time with XXX and XXXXXX" and more people would be more understanding because then you show you at least KNOW what the problem is beyond the fact that you couldn't code it properly in the first place. the fact it took them this long to bring in some people from Sony (or so they claim, Sony has not confirmed this at all) shows either their arrogance, ignorance, possibly both, and a disregard for customer support.
  
• totally agree

Timed exclusives are a double-edged sword IMHO. Sure a game publisher gets money for nothing and the platform that's paying gets the early release, but the ultimate price is alienating the fans that are not part of the timed exclusive and have to wait a month or more until the DLC for their platform gets released.

You will also have diminished enthusiasm on the part of the gamers who can't take advantage of the timed exclusive because it's not on their platform. Personally speaking, although I have tried to avoid any Dawnguard spoilers, being more than 2 months behind, there are just things you can't avoid. It's like waiting for two months before you see a blockbuster movie, things are just going to leak out to you no matter what.

I can only hope that Dawnguard is released sometime in the near future, because honestly the waiting is killing me and I REALLY hope that this fiasco does not repeat with the Hearthfire DLC. When the "one month timed exclusive" expires hopefully The PS3 platform will get the Hearthfire DLC at the same time as the PC platform as it was originally intended with the Dawnguard DLC.

[Keeley Stevens]

Timed exclusives are a double-edged sword IMHO. Sure a game publisher gets money for nothing and the platform that's paying gets the early release, but the ultimate price is alienating the fans that are not part of the timed exclusive and have to wait a month or more until the DLC for their platform gets released.

You will also have diminished enthusiasm on the part of the gamers who can't take advantage of the timed exclusive because it's not on their platform. Personally speaking, although I have tried to avoid any Dawnguard spoilers, being more than 2 months behind, there are just things you can't avoid. It's like waiting for two months before you see a blockbuster movie, things are just going to leak out to you no matter what.

I can only hope that Dawnguard is released sometime in the near future, because honestly the waiting is killing me and I REALLY hope that this fiasco does not repeat with the Hearthfire DLC. When the "one month timed exclusive" expires hopefully The PS3 platform will get the Hearthfire DLC at the same time as the PC platform as it was originally intended with the Dawnguard DLC.

the real issue is the large waiting period that was added.

If it's a week or two it's typically fine. Go 1-12 months? Even just the one will alienate some people.

The best time to sell is when everyone has all the hype and before they realize they don't 'need' it. But the waiting time and being last to get it weakens the hype tremendously.

[Janeth Valenzuela Castelo]

the real issue is the large waiting period that was added.

If it's a week or two it's typically fine. Go 1-12 months? Even just the one will alienate some people.

The best time to sell is when everyone has all the hype and before they realize they don't 'need' it. But the waiting time and being last to get it weakens the hype tremendously.

This is why MS use it exsclusivity isn't to make pc players and ps3 to buy xbox its to get money from hype from Xbox players, while players on other consols will not be so willing to buy it and therefore sony will get less money

[Gen Daley]

I'm just as frustrated with everyone else, and I think emotions run high because of the simple fact we love the game enough to want more. But I don't think we should compare great and well-performing games like Uncharted and Infamous to Skyrim. I could easily turn the tables and say "Uncharted svcks! I have to stay on this linear path, my inventory consists of nothing more than 2 guns and some grenades, the events are largely scripted, and I payed $60 for 10 hours of gameplay?!"

Infamous is much more open than Uncharted, but still pales in comparison to Skyrim as far as the complexity. And nobody should believe that their compiler has a "PS3" button that automatically transforms and optimizes code for disparate architectures. (if you do, please stay out of the IT industry) Write once, Debug everywhere!

I certainly hope that Bethesda management is giving the programming staff the resources they need, both in terms of talent quality and quantity. (and vice-versa, the programmers have a vested interest in making the PS3 version what it should be)

My anti-rants over, I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we'll at least get Hearthfire - until I give up completely and go back to PC gaming.

[Marine x]

And nobody should believe that their compiler has a "PS3" button that automatically transforms and optimizes code for disparate architectures. (if you do, please stay out of the IT industry)

hey man, thanks for bringing some light into this.
obviously this is exactly what bethesda did: push their "PS3" button (which already worked perfectly for fallout).

who could expect massive problems? yes, noone could

[Luis Longoria]

Don't know what this is about....maybe....just maybe....Dawnguard?? DONT HOLD YOUR BREATH... But i would think....that if DG is ready for release....Playstation would shut down PSN to get it on there ASAP.....that is just my opinion.....however the fact is.......Maintenance for psn is coming MONDAY!!

really!?

sorry storm, in my first post i thanked you for keeping us updated, but this is shady.
what you suggested there is the most improbable version.

i like your optimism, but that post almost lets me think that you're somehow connected to bethesda (in a financial way)
sorry, don't take that one serious, at the end i only want to say: calm down, that's better for your health

[Dalton Greynolds]

New to the forum, so Hi.

I'm not a massive gamer, only discovered Oblivion by accident, but, I put about 900 hours into that so was eager to get Skyrim when it was announced. I've been reading the various threads about Dawnguard being released on PS3, I only want it so I can make some new weapons and craft arrows.

What it seems to me, is that there's no one at Beth that can actually program for the PS3, so they have to port everything.

How's this for a novel idea, not sure it's been mentioned already, probably has. How about Beth employ some programmers that are proficient with the PS3, familiar with the architecture etc, therefore they'd be better placed to release DLC's and release less bugged stuff in the first place?

Going way back, I bought my PS1 because I wanted to play GTA and Gran Turismo. Natural upgrade was the PS2, and a new Gran Turismo. I only bought the PS3 as I wanted to play GTA IV since it wouldn't be released on PS2, handy since I would have needed the new console for GT5. I also found MGS around PS1/2 time.

GTA IV, GT5 and MGS4 on the PS3, I've never had any problems that I've noticed. No crashes, lags etc. Most likely because they were programmed by folk that knew what they were doing for the intended system.

Why don't Beth just employ people that know the systems and program accordingly, instead of trying to port it?

[Noely Ulloa]

Not trying to sound stupid...but what do you mean by "Sandbox RPG?"

Again...i am not a hardcoe gamer...so i am just curious.

Think of the definition as what you did as a child playing in a sandpit, you made your own fun doing what you wanted with what was at hand.
A sandbox RPG should allow you to go where you want, when you want, collect what you want.
Skyrim has issues when you try that though.