[NIloufar Emporio]

@ DarksunTheFirst

Lol haha *claps* nice one mate.

+1

[sally coker]

Can we just skip to the part where they come out and say we've tried everything possible and will not be releaseing the DLC.....this gone on for long enough I don't need an other Fallout Three DLC wait.

IGN had a video that said just that. Bethesda just needs to admit that they are at a loss and stop telling everyone that they are working on it. Of course I don't doubt that they are working on it, but I don't believe that they are actually going to get it to work. So the next step should be to admit they can't make it work.

[JLG]

You know, it's situations like this that really make me respect developers like CD Projekt Red even more. I was disappointed when they announcd that The Witcher 2 wasn't coming out for PS3 (to be fair, I already had it on PC), but they were completely trasparent about it. They admitted that they just didn't have the manpower to recode the game for PS3 being a smaller studio (they also knew that it needed to be recoded despite never having made a game on PS3 before, unlike Bethesda). Also, their DLC is free.

[Milagros Osorio]

You know, it's situations like this that really make me respect developers like CD Projekt Red even more. I was disappointed when they announcd that The Witcher 2 wasn't coming out for PS3 (to be fair, I already had it on PC), but they were completely trasparent about it. They admitted that they just didn't have the manpower to recode the game for PS3 being a smaller studio (they also knew that it needed to be recoded despite never having made a game on PS3 before, unlike Bethesda). Also, their DLC is free.

You bring up a good point there how is it smaller companies are willing to do more sometimes for their fan base or customers but the bigger guys will just basically play mute and give you the finger.

[Hairul Hafis]

@ DarksunTheFirst

Yeeeehhhhhh!

[Laura Mclean]

I think the PS3 version of Skyrim is having so much trouble because the PS3 version of Skyrim is not really a PS3 version of Skyrim.

i come out of the shadows sfter leaving for 2 months to say... yes, and the pc version is just an xbox version too xcept it only worked bcuz they are practicaly the same cuz most pc run on windows made by microsoft, so make a ps3 version bethesda...

[J.P loves]

Gstaff please give us an actual update, not the vague things you usually tell us. I have said this before and will say it again, you must have known about the pc dawnguard release date before saying, oh btw its up now. Please respond to this Gstaff. You must have SOMETHING you haven't said to us before.

[Mason Nevitt]

You bring up a good point there how is it smaller companies are willing to do more sometimes for their fan base or customers but the bigger guys will just basically play mute and give you the finger.

That's the natural order of things. New companies will replace the old as they stagnate. After the success of Morrowind, Bethesda took the mantle of top RPG company with Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim. Bioware is at the point where it's hard to call their games RPGs any more. CD Projekt Red may be the company to dethrone Bethesda and Bioware as they continue to fall.

[k a t e]

That's the natural order of things. New companies will replace the old as they stagnate. After the success of Morrowind, Bethesda took the mantle of top RPG company with Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim. Bioware is at the point where it's hard to call their games RPGs any more. CD Projekt Red may be the company to dethrone Bethesda and Bioware as they continue to fall.

The Witcher 2 is one of the best games I've played in a long time. I actually enjoyed it more than Skyrim, although it was very close. If they keep putting out games of that caliber, I'd say it's almost an inevitablilty.

[Nicole Coucopoulos]

I doubt it will end up being released. If Bethesda just came out and said, "We can't make the DLC, so you won't be getting it", I'm sure that would be better than keeping us even a little hopeful. Oh well.

Think of it like this: you're only missing out on 10-20 hours of new content. There are hundreds of other games out there. At the end of the day, it's Beth losing out, not us. A small satisfaction.

[Penny Flame]

I doubt it will end up being released. If Bethesda just came out and said, "We can't make the DLC, so you won't be getting it", I'm sure that would be better than keeping us even a little hopeful. Oh well.

A four month wait for fallout 3 DLC turned into and eight or nine month wait due to delays and plenty of people said "its never coming." So for Skyrim saying "I doubt it will be released" after a less then three month delay is ridiculous.

[Ridhwan Hemsome]

A four month wait for fallout 3 DLC turned into and eight or nine month wait due to delays and plenty of people said "its never coming." So for Skyrim saying "I doubt it will be released" after a less then three month delay is ridiculous.

Please don't say someone is being ridiculous when they are merely expressing their fears or thoughts, It only serves to anger them more and to fan the fire. We call it flaming and we warn for it. So...just don't.

[.X chantelle .x Smith]

How about a remake of FF6 with PS3 Graphics?

I agree FF^ set the standard for RPGS nothing compares to it or FF& or even Chrono trigger. 3 of the greates games ever!!! No game today can mess with your emotions the way these games did.

I just want to explain something to a few of you who probably don't remember the game, the original Phantasy Star was truly the pioneer, innovator, and in many respects creator of what we know as the modern video RPG. It came out only a few days after the original Final Fantasy and when you compare the two games side-by-side, it blows the doors off it. Many of the aspects you see in console RPG's were used in it until games started using live-action combat instead of round based.

Another thing to think about. Games back then were priced according to how much work was put into them, instaed of the tiering we see with modern games. Most games that come out are in the $50-$60 range (sorry, I don't know what that is in euros, lbs sterling, or whatever). Almost every new game for the past 10 years for Sony PSx, Microsoft Xbox(whatever), and PC has been 59.99, or in a few cases 49.99. That's in todays money. Back then in the US? Phantasy Star was priced at 69.99...in 1988! Some stores retailed that svcker up to $80. Easily the most expensive console game at the time of it's release. So in today's money? That's roughly 135-155 dollars. Imagine paying THAT for a vanilla version of the game. Oh, and DLC? What the hell was DLC back in 1988? There wasn't even shareware back then (iirc).

I remember trying to find a copy of that game in the mid 90's, going to a place called Zern's in Boyertown, PA. It's still there, a little flea/farmers market and there were a couple places where you could buy and sell video games, new and retro. I asked for 2 years if they had any copies of Phantasy Star, and it was always no. Then one day the guy saw me and said he had two copies, but only one was for sale and he was holding it for me. He showed me the check he wrote for the two copies...over $1000. He charged me for $400, less than half. Now he could have been swindling me, but I've known people that bought a single copy of that game for more money than what I got it for. It became a rare collectable game in a few years after it's release. My friend's older brother bought two copies when it was a year old, sold one of them (the unopened one) a few years later for $350.

That game set the standard in so many ways. It's a shame that the series fell behind after a few more. Though PSO2 was pretty epic. In 2006, Electronic Gaming Monthly rated PSO2 as the best RPG game ever made (#21 overall). The original Phantasy Star was the second (#26 overall).

There was a remake of it in 2003, but only on the Japanese version of the PS2. I so wish it would have come out in the US. That game was legendary, even by today's standards. If you ever get a chance to play a copy, do it. You won't regret the time spent enjoying this classic and epic game.

[Gill Mackin]

A four month wait for fallout 3 DLC turned into and eight or nine month wait due to delays and plenty of people said "its never coming." So for Skyrim saying "I doubt it will be released" after a less then three month delay is ridiculous.

The difference now is: (a) how badly broken the vanilla game was *before* the DLC was even issued (b ) they have admitted they may not be able to fix it.

[Captian Caveman]

Like some sort of total goon, I actually bought a second copy of Skyrim, this time on Xbox, to play Hearthfire and Dawnguard.

Bethesda, I know this won't make a scrap of difference to you financially, but for me it did.

I can only hope you understand, Bethesda, how devoted your audience is and how far they will go to play your games.

SHOW THEM SOME RESPECT.

[josie treuberg]

Like some sort of total goon, I actually bought a second copy of Skyrim, this time on Xbox, to play Hearthfire and Dawnguard.

Bethesda, I know this won't make a scrap of difference to you financially, but for me it did.

I can only hope you understand, Bethesda, how devoted your audience is and how far they will go to play your games.

SHOW THEM SOME RESPECT.

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[Nicholas C]

I feel bad for the people who put extra hours into a new character specifically for dawnguard. I personally saw a delay coming(as is custom for ps3 Ports of their games)and didn't even bother. Something broken should be priority #1. I honestly can't understand how with their history of dlc for the ps3, this is not an easy fix yet. IMO I think they wait to see if people get pissed before they decide to do anything. Sad truly sad if I we're to be right.

[Marguerite Dabrin]

Hello, i'm new and french (sorry^^)

So, i came here to say to Bethesda: "do not forget the french PS3 community!"

The french PS3 community of Skyrim is big, very very big. There is a lot of french fan site who wait the release of Dawnguard PS3 version (like on jeuxvideo.com , a french site: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/1-28750-69270-1-0-1-0-all-ps3-on-nous-prends-pour-des-cons.htm ).

All Wednesday we look on the PSN european (the day of the update for us) to see the Dawnguard. ( yeah, the french people are a lot of masochist^^)

And i think that will be good if someone can say something official on the situation to the french community... (and not with platitudes otherwise it will not pass like here)

Thanks to you

[Melly Angelic]

Hello, i'm new and french (sorry^^)

So, i came here to say to Bethesda: "do not forget the french PS3 community!"

The french PS3 community of Skyrim is big, very very big. There is a lot of french fan site who wait the release of Dawnguard PS3 version (like on jeuxvideo.com , a french site: http://www.jeuxvideo.com/forums/1-28750-69270-1-0-1-0-all-ps3-on-nous-prends-pour-des-cons.htm ).

All Wednesday we look on the PSN european (the day of the update for us) to see the Dawnguard. ( yeah, the french people are a lot of masochist^^)

And i think that will be good if someone can say something official on the situation to the french community... (and not with platitudes otherwise it will not pass like here)

Thanks to you

Welcome to the forums.

[Alycia Leann grace]

How about a remake of FF6 with PS3 Graphics?

I agree FF^ set the standard for RPGS nothing compares to it or FF& or even Chrono trigger. 3 of the greates games ever!!! No game today can mess with your emotions the way these games did.

I have FF6

[Luis Longoria]

You know, it's situations like this that really make me respect developers like CD Projekt Red even more. I was disappointed when they announcd that The Witcher 2 wasn't coming out for PS3 (to be fair, I already had it on PC), but they were completely trasparent about it. They admitted that they just didn't have the manpower to recode the game for PS3 being a smaller studio (they also knew that it needed to be recoded despite never having made a game on PS3 before, unlike Bethesda). Also, their DLC is free.

Witcher 2 is a great game not the best graphically but story and character wise very mature and deep.

[Emily Jones]

We might as well prepare for this to turn into a FO3 DLC wait.........

[Luna Lovegood]

That's the natural order of things. New companies will replace the old as they stagnate. After the success of Morrowind, Bethesda took the mantle of top RPG company with Oblivion, Fallout 3, and Skyrim. Bioware is at the point where it's hard to call their games RPGs any more. CD Projekt Red may be the company to dethrone Bethesda and Bioware as they continue to fall.

I personally think Skyrim is much more quality than previous games in terms of it's stability (on PC), and they do seem to be trying harder with the content than they have since Oblivion.

The problem is, I just don't think they have the knowledge or the real interest in making it work for the PS3. If they did lose out in the market, it would probably only be on the one platform.

I bought a gaming PC a few years back for several reasons, the customisability of Bethesda games being one of them. But I still liked my PS3 and a lot of the games on it, but Bethesda was one of the companies that never seemed to try very hard on the PS3. In a way, I saw it coming, and it saddens me that whatever the gameplay is like, they just can't make the system work. They probably will keep releasing their games on PS3, but they won't put much effort into stability.

The PS3 is a good system, but you have to put the effort in when coding it. The only real option I see is hiring another company to port their game, like they did with Oblivion, the only Beth game to work properly on the PS3.

[Joey Avelar]

Hah! never thought I would agree with IGN but in their discussion I agree 100% with them.

[jessica Villacis]

It does take more effort to code for the PS3 but the outcome can be very amazing once a developer learns its potential. There are many games that really captivate the strength of the PS3. Games like Metal Gear Solid, Uncharted and many more show this entirely. While Skyrim is a bigger game, the problems its encountered have never really been seen with other games. The larger games such as RDR and KoA have run flawlessly on the PS3. It really makes me wonder is it really the PS3 or is it Bethesda? and I'm leaning toward Bethesda.