[Scott Clemmons]

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What I mean is that before you had players who did not buy the DLC, but now you have to want to buy. These are not the same people, attitudes have changed, and we must then question to move on.

[Emma louise Wendelk]

Technically, we GOT added content. Enjoy your mounted combat. Do you see how they covered themselves there?

Right, but the manual says "Downloadable Content." They are not covered there.

[Chris Cross Cabaret Man]

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What I mean is that before you had players who did not buy the DLC, but now you have to want to buy. These are not the same people, attitudes have changed, and we must then question to move on.

No politics please and thank you. Not allowed at all.

Indeed and I am quite sure someone and probably many Bethesda folks are banging their head to get this to work well enough to release. Because you know, that would mean more money and move happy fans which in turn results in more money. They actually have the most to lose in not releasing these DLCs for everyone. All we will lose is a bit of content to add to our game and we still don't know if we will get it at some point. They say they are still working on it. I hope we do but in the meantime..."so many games and so little time..."

[Paul Rice]

Technically, we GOT added content. Enjoy your mounted combat. Do you see how they covered themselves there?

In theory, it's a patch, not a DLC...it came with a patch, and it's way too small of a change to be considered a DLC...I mean, that change is probably even smaller than Horse Armor

By the way, the Hearthfire PC Tech support forum is up, but not the PS3' one...jump to your own conclusions... :/ (Edit: Hearthfire released on Steam).

[Laura Cartwright]

Technically, we GOT added content. Enjoy your mounted combat. Do you see how they covered themselves there?

I have been loving my time in SKyRiM since its release & I've ridden a horse maybe 3 times... I tried the horse-mounted combat under the same curiosity & NOT to my surprise, it was downright horrific.

Bethesda may argue the point that horse-mounted combat is a form of DLC. But in truth, we all know that it's a feature that they had thought of before release, but couldn't implement on launch. And as it stands today - to me at least - it is a horrible feature.

[Bryanna Vacchiano]

Yeah, I guess that is just odd to me since I've been here a long time. When DLC content was first offered for sell (Oblivion) there was an out pour of angry members who refused to pay for additional content and felt it was a way to "nickle and dime" folks to death for what was offered as expansions in Morrowind. So many didn't ever buy DLC's and some still don't. So it just seems odd somehow that now folks buy a game because they can also buy DLCs. But I do understand your position.

For me it would be equal to someone announcing a game and folks getting excited to buy it and then the game is never released.

Different people, different motives. Nothing really odd about it.

In theory, it's a patch, not a DLC...it came with a patch, and it's way too small of a change to be considered a DLC...I mean, that change is probably even smaller than Horse Armor

By the way, the Hearthfire PC Tech support forum is up, but not the PS3' one...jump to your own conclusions... :/ (Edit: Hearthfire released on Steam).

Yeh I agree with this here. That's not a DLC, it's a patch which falls under the realm of Support, and considering the patch has made some things worse is just another reason that it shouldn't be considered DLC.








@Summer, I just really want you to answer this since you're chiming in on it and all. We all paid for the same experience, but clearly we did not get that. The support on the PS3 alone has been lacking and slow. Would you consider that to be equally bought as well?

[BRIANNA]

So Hearthfire is on PC now..

[Britta Gronkowski]

Thread # 25!!! Up through thread 23, I was still thinking that us PS3 (ab)users still had a chance at getting DG. Now, I don't think so (waiting this long without a progress report is never a good sign). It really is a shame, considering TES (particularly Skyrim) was my chief gaming reason to buy a PS3.

On a side note, I wanted to reply to Yeknom about recommending Kingdom Of Amalur: Reckoning. THANK YOU!!! This game is FANTASTIC!!! True, the graphics aren't as realistic looking as Skyrim, but they are better (IMNSHO) than Oblivion. The world is HUGE (much bigger than Skyrim), the storyline is great, combat is better than Skyrim, awesome faction/side quests, fun crafting, and it runs great on the PS3. I've only had one minor bug after 100 hours of gameplay, and it was so minor (compared to Skyrim) that I didn't even care. The free armor DLC is quite awesome as well (hint, hint, bethesda?), and helpful through the first 20 lvls. If I finish the game and DG doesn't come out by then (or is officially announced that it won't), I'll use my $20 PSN card to get the expansion quest for this game!

You're still using the Shepard armor? Or the Complete Armor package? In either case, you should have dropped it by level 7, unless you're using the staff. Craft your own armor and weapons, as Blacksmithing is every bit as overpowered as it is in Skyrim. Moreso when you include Sagecrafting and those ridiculously overpowered HP-boosting gems and elemental damage gems. At your level, if you're Might based, you should have a crafted weapon capable of doing several hundred points worth of damage per strike and armor of 500 or more. It's also highly beneficial to do the House of Valor and House of Ballads quests as you'll find lots of purples that are quite powerful.

[m Gardner]

So Hearthfire is on PC now..

Yeah & in yet what does Ps3 have, .......................nothing. just a patched in add on in mounted combat ( aka not dlc ) & what makes it even sadder is Bethesda didn't even add a small update to that annoucement on this whole thing, i'm happy for the pc gamers don't get me wrong but not even a small update for us? thats just pathtic in my opinion. maybe one of these days games that come out for all platforms can be treated the same.

[xx_Jess_xx]

I'm in no way making light of the situation but nobody has paid for this DLC who didn't get it. Paying for Skyrim does not entitle anyone to get added content and some don't buy any dlc's for their game.

Sometimes all anyone can do is try. Failure is not trying at all.

To be fair, some consumers preorder games on the premise of additional future content and the fun/functionality of the game. Skyrim on the PS3 didn't run well at release and there is no DLC in sight. For many of us who love the world, lore, and the games who just happen to be on the PS3 shouldn't have to put up with this kind of treatment. I know very few other game companies whose reputations have survived these types of incidents well.

We bought a game, released at the same time as the other systems, that was broken. And now our pleads for communication regarding the future of development on our platform are being ignored. We haven't heard anything official since August. That's just not how you treat consumers, much less loyal fans.

It's disgraceful, and it deserves to be called as such.

[lauraa]

I can't say that I'm surprised about the delay of PS3 port of Hearthfire given the delays to the PS3 port of Dawnguard.

Bethesda should say something to the PS3 fans who are left wanting and waiting for the PS3 ports of the Hearthfire and the Dawguard DLCs, while they still have PS3 fans to speak of!

I've mentioned it in these forums at least a half a dozen times before. It's TERRIBLE public relations to leave us in the dark like this!!!

Let us know what is going on, bad news or not we just want communication and honesty.

If gamesas can't deliver anticipated products as they intended, they should at least respect us enough to let us know!

ADDENDUM:
Here's a Tweet from Pete Hines. Not a lot but it's something I guess:
https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/253923130207248385

[Cat Haines]

I can't say that I'm surprised about the delay of PS3 port of Hearthfire given the delays to the PS3 port of Dawnguard.

Bethesda should say something to the PS3 fans who are left wanting and waiting for the PS3 ports of the Hearthfire and the Dawguard DLCs, while they still have PS3 fans to speak of!

I've mentioned it in these forums at least a half a dozen times before. It's TERRIBLE public relations to leave us in the dark like this!!!

Let us know what is going on, bad news or not we just want communication and honesty.

If gamesas can't deliver anticipated products as they intended, they should at least respect us enough to let us know!

ADDENDUM:
Here's a Tweet from Pete Hines. Not a lot but it's something I guess:
https://twitter.com/DCDeacon/status/253923130207248385

*Sarcasm Button Lock*
According to them, they don't leave us in the dark. They keep telling us they have no new info that the DLC's are delayed for the PS3.

Ok, that's not really specific but hey, it's something!
*Sarcasm Button Unlock*


It's just a shame and disgrace they choose to act like this. It really is. The fact they can't even own up to their own mistakes is just, imo, dishonorable. When you mess up, you own up to it.

[sarah taylor]

*Sarcasm Button Lock*
According to them, they don't leave us in the dark. They keep telling us they have no new info that the DLC's are delayed for the PS3.

Ok, that's not really specific but hey, it's something!
*Sarcasm Button Unlock*


It's just a shame and disgrace they choose to act like this. It really is. The fact they can't even own up to their own mistakes is just, imo, dishonorable. When you mess up, you own up to it.

Yeah it seems they have.... dishonored us.

[.X chantelle .x Smith]

I remember when I first started following these threads back in July.

still no news...

[Chris Cross Cabaret Man]

I remember when I first started following these threads back in July.

still no news...

I can't believe we haven't heard anything official since August. I mean, I get that stonewalling your consumers is a tried-and-true PR tactic, but this has gone pretty far.

If this were EA or Activision, the gaming community would have called for blood long ago.

[Fiori Pra]

I suggest people just wait and see. I don't think bugging Pete for updates isn't going to do much. If DG doesn't come to the PS3 by the end of the month, I'll be angry and I'm sure a lot of PS3 players will share my sentiments.

[Rex Help]

I suggest people just wait and see. I don't think bugging Pete for updates isn't going to do much. If DG doesn't come to the PS3 by the end of the month, I'll be angry and I'm sure a lot of PS3 players will share my sentiments.

I don't think bugging him will be the solution either. I just love to point out that his last "update" wasn't really an update at all.

[JaNnatul Naimah]

I suggest people just wait and see. I don't think bugging Pete for updates isn't going to do much. If DG doesn't come to the PS3 by the end of the month, I'll be angry and I'm sure a lot of PS3 players will share my sentiments.

Why would you wait another month to be angry? If we're going to set a deadline, why not 11/11/12 - the one year anniversary of Skyrim?

It's been what? 4 months? 5? That's a long time in development. I think it's fair to assume at some point that DG and HF will lose their value to Bethesda as a company and they will cease production. Will it be next month or next year? Who knows? But I doubt it'll be much longer.

[louise hamilton]

I'm in no way making light of the situation but nobody has paid for this DLC who didn't get it. Paying for Skyrim does not entitle anyone to get added content and some don't buy any dlc's for their game.

Sometimes all anyone can do is try. Failure is not trying at all.

Nope, "Trying is the first step towards failure"

[Romy Welsch]

I suggest people just wait and see. I don't think bugging Pete for updates isn't going to do much. If DG doesn't come to the PS3 by the end of the month, I'll be angry and I'm sure a lot of PS3 players will share my sentiments.

Nobody would need to "bug" Pete Hines for information on Twitter if Bethesda posted information on the main Skyrim site and/or the Bethesda forum.

There are now 2 Skyrim DLCs available for the XBox 360 and the PC platforms. The PC platform just got the 2nd release after the "30 day XBox Exclusive".

There is still NO official statement other that what Pete Hines has "unofficially" stated on Twitter.

It's only natural that PS3 players/fans of Skyrim are going to wonder WTF is going on!?!

[Kim Bradley]

Nobody would need to "bug" Pete Hines for information on Twitter if Bethesda posted information on the main Skyrim site and/or the Bethesda forum.

There are now 2 Skyrim DLCs available for the XBox 360 and the PC platforms. The PC platform just got the 2nd release after the "30 day XBox Exclusive".

There is still NO official statement other that what Pete Hines has "unofficially" stated on Twitter.

It's only natural that PS3 players/fans of Skyrim are going to wonder WTF is going on!?!

100% this. If there were no outrage, that would be strange. This is completely normal for consumers. We received an inferior product, received very little-to-no support, and have been kept in the dark about additions to a product we purchased. And we're not happy about it. That's not shocking.

As a lifelong fan of the TES series who thought purchasing the game on release day for my favorite system wouldn't come back to haunt me, I feel like we're owed a few answers.

[electro_fantics]

First post.

I've been wondering: do you think trying to pursue information from Sony is a worthwhile avenue? Bethesda obviously isn't giving us anything in terms of progress. At this point, all I honestly want to know if whether or not there has been any improvement since the time Bethesda first realized the issue.

I realize Sony is probably under a gag order to not release specific information that relates to Bethesda. However, maybe we could see if they would provide us with an explanation as to why performance would not be equal across all PS3 systems? Knowing more about the exact problem they're having would give us a better idea about whether or not this issue can be solved.

[Rhi Edwards]

First post.

I've been wondering: do you think trying to pursue information from Sony is a worthwhile avenue? Bethesda obviously isn't giving us anything in terms of progress. At this point, all I honestly want to know if whether or not there has been any improvement since the time Bethesda first realized the issue.

I realize Sony is probably under a gag order to not release specific information that relates to Bethesda. However, maybe we could see if they would provide us with an explanation as to why performance would not be equal across all PS3 systems? Knowing more about the exact problem they're having would give us a better idea about whether or not this issue can be solved.

I doubt you get anymore info, at best you would probably get a general defense of the PS3's performance.

[Cccurly]

I doubt you get anymore info, at best you would probably get a general defense of the PS3's performance.

You'd get nothing at all. Others have tried tweeting/emailing them.

This isn't a "Sony" issue. This is a Bethesda issue that's come to entangle Sony. As they have already said, "[They] support all of their developers and try to help them overcome these types of issues."

Regardless, the truth is that they can't do anything if gamesas's coders are incapable of getting it to work. It's not like Sony sent their coders to gamesas. They're most likely just chatting on the phone about the issues and the Sony experts are probably quietly judging the Gamebryo Engine/Creation Engine in the back of their minds while wondering how in the world gamesas's PS3 Platform Specialists are even employed at this point.

[QuinDINGDONGcey]

I don't think Bethesda is actually going to release Dawnguard for PS3 at this point, unless its in a GOTY Edition.