[Grace Francis]

Yeah it was like 10 threads back or something lol.

There's been alot of things said, but the main one is "There's no new updates" lol

Can't remember ten threads back and the "There's no new updates" I think we all notice it that one lol.

[Tiffany Castillo]

^ This. If we're getting DLC and this manu thing is in the patch that is what it is most likely for. By the way was there any sort of manu button for FONV DLC.

Don't think so. I have the original version right now, never bought DLC for it.

[Janine Rose]

The next dlc was the one everyone was supposed to get at the same time. They better delay that dlc until ps3 owners can play dawnguard and hearthfire. IMO it's the best way to show their dedication to ps3 owners. I said it before and I will say it again if they released another dlc before the ps3 has the other TWO. My copy of skyrim becomes a Frisbee for my dog(lost the old one in central park the other day, dogs pretty upset about it). Beth could have said before it was released that the ps3 was not getting,dlc. They knew they [censored] up and still released it. Plain and simple, they knew they would have their money.

i agree with you

[Nana Samboy]

Don't think so. I have the original version right now, never bought DLC for it.

Alrigthy then.

[Penny Flame]

i agree with you

The next dlc was the one everyone was supposed to get at the same time. They better delay that dlc until ps3 owners can play dawnguard and hearthfire. IMO it's the best way to show their dedication to ps3 owners. I said it before and I will say it again if they released another dlc before the ps3 has the other TWO. My copy of skyrim becomes a Frisbee for my dog(lost the old one in central park the other day, dogs pretty upset about it). Beth could have said before it was released that the ps3 was not getting,dlc. They knew they [censored] up and still released it. Plain and simple, they knew they would have their money.

im already pissed at how the game has changed over the last 12 years, removing choice for the sake of graphics, but this is the last straw. if they dont make this up to PS3 players by giving DLC at a discount, or adding in more content for free then im done with bethesda game works. i will never buy another one of their games, period. i dont buy EA because they treat customers like cattle, now bethesda is about to be next.

[Jah Allen]

im already pissed at how the game has changed over the last 12 years, removing choice for the sake of graphics, but this is the last straw. if they dont make this up to PS3 players by giving DLC at a discount, or adding in more content for free then im done with bethesda game works. i will never buy another one of there games, period. i dont buy EA because they treat customers like cattle, now bethesda is about to be next.

They aren't going to change. They never have. If you want to support companies that support their users, stick to companies like Gearbox or Valve. Gearbox has been giving out lots of free stuff with Borderlands 2. And even patched the game so people that don't want the new class can still play in games with those that have her.

[BEl J]

i just got a thought, what if they are going to release the dawnguard & heartfire on the same day as the next dlc. that could be there way of saying sorry for the wait.

[Matt Gammond]

The people on the Bethblog just confirmed my suspicions that the clunky mounted combat, and awful new kill-cams is Bethesda's backup plan.

Someone commented

The free content was a backup in case DLC couldn’t be released. Mounted combat, and extra kill-cams count as DLC for the PS3. Gets Bethesda out of trouble if they announce no Dawnguard/Hearthfire/or the third. They couldn’t just release it for PS3.
Pete Hines has stated on his twitter that it DOES count as DLC.

gstaff added it’s worth noting that we’re still working on content for all platforms.

I think it's safe to say that we will be seeing more gimicky crap, and be expected to be happy with it. They're just trying to keep us happy so we continue to by more dissapointing Bethesda games.

[joeK]

Hello all,

So I've been lurking around this thread for months now, hoping for some resolution to the DLC for Skyrim. I had a number of issues with the game, mainly backwards flying dragons and freezes which required me to reboot my system quite a lot. To be fair though, I played this game for longer periods of time than most other games, so there's that. A couple of things come to mind when I think of this whole debacle. The first thing is, did Bethesda lie to Microsoft? How can you ask someone to pay for 30 day exclusivity when you don't actually have a product to sell to other people? If I was Microsoft, I would be asking some serious questions as to whether Bethesda ever actually had a PC and PS3 DLC and whether a 30 day window was even necessary considering the outcome. And that's where I get stuck. While Bethesda never actually said that the DLC would release for other platforms after the 30 day period, it seems almost everyone, including all the major game forums and sites, assumed it would. There was NO effort on Bethesda's part to remedy this misconception as it may have lead to higher sales on the XBOX. Then after the 30 days was up, there was little to no information for several days as to when the other platforms would be able to purchase and download DLC. Now I am no developer or programmer, but it seems to me that any studio worth its salt would have had a workable and functioning product well before any anticipated release date. So that leaves me wondering,"What on earth Bethesda is up to?". How could any developer find themselves in this spot? Is Bethesda saying that after 4 years in development, they didn't start working on DLC until after the release date? That they left something they had hyped up and basically promised to owners of all platforms until the very last minute? Or are they saying that Microsoft wouldn't let them work on the DLC until after the 30 day period? Because that's the only way this whole episode makes any sense whatsoever. From any production viewpoint, what is happening with this DLC is beyond the pale. And yes, I am boycotting Bethesda, as much as it agrieves me to do so. I really like the way Dishonored looks, and I would love to play it. But the only way I will purchase it, is used, so the Beth can't get my money. Maybe I will just wait for a friend to finish it and borrow it off them. Either way, the only way we can make our dissatifaction with the current level of support (read multiple patches to fix the game, with true playability only occuring about 3 months ago), the sluggish response to complaints and the truly despicable way they diverted the blame (in regards to the 30 day exclusive), is to hit them in the wallet and hard. So there! Finally, I got to vent about this! And one last time....The reponse from Bethesda about the 30 day window, was just....well just lame. The whole "We never said that" excuse is something I hear from little kids and people who refuse to take responsibilty. They knew full well that most if not all PS3 and PC owners were fully anticipating the release of this DLC on the 31st day. The fact that they let that ride is a testament to their lack of commitment to all the people who shelled out 60 bucks on day one to support and enrich them. So much for gratitude I guess.

[naomi]

Why were my post deleted? I was just sympathizing with the PS3 players and discussing the issues without saying anything wrong. I surprise that so much more negative posts manage to stay on...

[Far'ed K.G.h.m]

On the Xbox when you boot up skyrim and it gets to the main menu and says press start... A little window pops up saying loading additional content (aka hearthfire/dawnguard) then there's a menu that says additional content which just shows you what dlc you have installed and that's it. You can't click on it or anything it just shows whats installed.

Just thought I'd share that as I see someone ask earlier.

[Anthony Diaz]

Hello all,

So I've been lurking around this thread for months now, hoping for some resolution to the DLC for Skyrim. I had a number of issues with the game, mainly backwards flying dragons and freezes which required me to reboot my system quite a lot. To be fair though, I played this game for longer periods of time than most other games, so there's that. A couple of things come to mind when I think of this whole debacle. The first thing is, did Bethesda lie to Microsoft? How can you ask someone to pay for 30 day exclusivity when you don't actually have a product to sell to other people? If I was Microsoft, I would be asking some serious questions as to whether Bethesda ever actually had a PC and PS3 DLC and whether a 30 day window was even necessary considering the outcome. And that's where I get stuck. While Bethesda never actually said that the DLC would release for other platforms after the 30 day period, it seems almost everyone, including all the major game forums and sites, assumed it would. There was NO effort on Bethesda's part to remedy this misconception as it may have lead to higher sales on the XBOX. Then after the 30 days was up, there was little to no information for several days as to when the other platforms would be able to purchase and download DLC. Now I am no developer or programmer, but it seems to me that any studio worth its salt would have had a workable and functioning product well before any anticipated release date. So that leaves me wondering,"What on earth Bethesda is up to?". How could any developer find themselves in this spot? Is Bethesda saying that after 4 years in development, they didn't start working on DLC until after the release date? That they left something they had hyped up and basically promised to owners of all platforms until the very last minute? Or are they saying that Microsoft wouldn't let them work on the DLC until after the 30 day period? Because that's the only way this whole episode makes any sense whatsoever. From any production viewpoint, what is happening with this DLC is beyond the pale. And yes, I am boycotting Bethesda, as much as it agrieves me to do so. I really like the way Dishonored looks, and I would love to play it. But the only way I will purchase it, is used, so the Beth can't get my money. Maybe I will just wait for a friend to finish it and borrow it off them. Either way, the only way we can make our dissatifaction with the current level of support (read multiple patches to fix the game, with true playability only occuring about 3 months ago), the sluggish response to complaints and the truly despicable way they diverted the blame (in regards to the 30 day exclusive), is to hit them in the wallet and hard. So there! Finally, I got to vent about this! And one last time....The reponse from Bethesda about the 30 day window, was just....well just lame. The whole "We never said that" excuse is something I hear from little kids and people who refuse to take responsibilty. They knew full well that most if not all PS3 and PC owners were fully anticipating the release of this DLC on the 31st day. The fact that they let that ride is a testament to their lack of commitment to all the people who shelled out 60 bucks on day one to support and enrich them. So much for gratitude I guess.

Most developers are busy making the actual game before release, so yes they would have started the DLC after the main game was finished, and would probably still be working on DLC. Microsoft got their exclusive period, the PC version was released 30 days after ALL Xbox 360 versions were released. Bethesda never gave a release date for anything other than the Xbox 360 version, never said anything about any other versions till we got the explanation for the lack of the PS3 Dawnguard, which did not seem to be that long after we would have expected the PS3 version to be released. Maybe they were hoping to have the problem solved in time to still get the PS3 version out within a reasonable time.

[Raymond J. Ramirez]

Why were my post deleted? I was just sympathizing with the PS3 players and discussing the issues without saying anything wrong. I surprise that so much more negative posts manage to stay on...

Well I can't judge since I didn't get to read your posts to my knowledge. But if you truly believe they were unjustly deleted, you can contact a mod. Although normally mods make a statement after deleting posts.

In general console comparisons get knocked off out of fear of starting a console war thread, anything with excessive cussing (which I doubt you did as you said you didn't do anything wrong), or targeting individuals with negative comments. Those all seem to be the main things mods knock off.

Negative opinions are fine so long as they are made to be free of cussing so it's not what you say but more how you say it.

Out of those few things and since you're from another console I'd assume your posts were deleted out of fear of starting up a console war. You may not have said anything specifically to do it, but they also delete any posts that will act as a catalyst. So it may not have necessarily been your own post, but fear of the response it could have brought.

Again since I didn't get to read it, I dont know xD

[flora]

The people on the Bethblog just confirmed my suspicions that the clunky mounted combat, and awful new kill-cams is Bethesda's backup plan.

Someone commented

The free content was a backup in case DLC couldn’t be released. Mounted combat, and extra kill-cams count as DLC for the PS3. Gets Bethesda out of trouble if they announce no Dawnguard/Hearthfire/or the third. They couldn’t just release it for PS3.
Pete Hines has stated on his twitter that it DOES count as DLC.

gstaff added it’s worth noting that we’re still working on content for all platforms.

I think it's safe to say that we will be seeing more gimicky crap, and be expected to be happy with it. They're just trying to keep us happy so we continue to by more dissapointing Bethesda games.

Okay, this has just transcended the ridiculous barrier into the "what the flying [censored]" zone
If Mounted Combat, improved underwater visuals, and extra kill cams count as DLC for the PS3, why wouldn't they count as DLC for EVERY OTHER SYSTEM?
If that comment was correct, then that content would have been the subject of Microsoft's two temporary DLC exclusivity contracts because it was the first "DLC" released. Yet that is not what happened.

[Breanna Van Dijk]

Okay, this has just transcended the ridiculous barrier into the "what the flying [censored]" zone
If Mounted Combat, improved underwater visuals, and extra kill cams count as DLC for the PS3, why wouldn't they count as DLC for EVERY OTHER SYSTEM?
If that comment was correct, then that content would have been the subject of Microsoft's two temporary DLC exclusivity contracts because it was the first "DLC" released. Yet that is not what happened.

Pete Hines himself, the v.p. of marketing and p.r. said that mounted combat and new kill-cams count as DLC. If he says it, then it is the official opinion of Bethesda. Bethesda has issued no form of disagreement with his statement. He said this in response to one of my and other's questions.

I asked about what would happen if no DLC is released, when Bethesda and the games box and manual had statements of DLC being released. His response was that every major patch has added new content to the game. This is fact. He even referenced the kill-cams and mounted combat.

[Silvia Gil]

Well I can't judge since I didn't get to read your posts to my knowledge. But if you truly believe they were unjustly deleted, you can contact a mod. Although normally mods make a statement after deleting posts.

In general console comparisons get knocked off out of fear of starting a console war thread, anything with excessive cussing (which I doubt you did as you said you didn't do anything wrong), or targeting individuals with negative comments. Those all seem to be the main things mods knock off.

Negative opinions are fine so long as they are made to be free of cussing so it's not what you say but more how you say it.

Out of those few things and since you're from another console I'd assume your posts were deleted out of fear of starting up a console war. You may not have said anything specifically to do it, but they also delete any posts that will act as a catalyst. So it may not have necessarily been your own post, but fear of the response it could have brought.

Again since I didn't get to read it, I dont know xD

Thing is I don't even play on my PS3 I'm all PC but I understand the frustration for those who bought the game for PS3 are going through

[Dewayne Quattlebaum]

wow did they really remove my statement? like i said before, if they dont show concern for the people they left behind, im done with them. at this point i feel no different towards them then i do about EA. unless they make a gesture that shows me they still care, they wont be getting my money.

[I’m my own]

Pete Hines himself, the v.p. of marketing and p.r. said that mounted combat and new kill-cams count as DLC. If he says it, then it is the official opinion of Bethesda. Bethesda has issued no form of disagreement with his statement. He said this in response to one of my and other's questions.

I asked about what would happen if no DLC is released, when Bethesda and the games box and manual had statements of DLC being released. His response was that every major patch has added new content to the game. This is fact. He even referenced the kill-cams and mounted combat.

I get that. I disagree with what you were implying. I disagree even more with your assertion that there's nothing but gimmicks in your guys' future.
I think they are still working on it. We'll have to wait and see how this PS3 DLC code pans out. Call me an optimist, call me a blind believer, call me whatever you wish. You'd better just hope I'm right

[Lizbeth Ruiz]

Okay, this has just transcended the ridiculous barrier into the "what the flying [censored]" zone
If Mounted Combat, improved underwater visuals, and extra kill cams count as DLC for the PS3, why wouldn't they count as DLC for EVERY OTHER SYSTEM?
If that comment was correct, then that content would have been the subject of Microsoft's two temporary DLC exclusivity contracts because it was the first "DLC" released. Yet that is not what happened.

Not that I really want to argue this point, but a lot of people confuse what DLC really is. DLC is not just content you get from PSN or XBL Marketplace. DLC is ANY content that is official additional content for a video game distributed through the Internet and can be delivered via patches or you standard marketplace.

For example, Witcher 2 added lots of free DLC via patches. Battlefield 3 actually adds all it's DLC via patches, you are only buying to unlock it when buying from XBL or PSN.

The MS agreement with Beth could have included certain requirements and my guess would be those requirements would have said the DLC had to be downloaded via XBL marketplace & be considered proper DLC.

[Juanita Hernandez]

Not that I really want to argue this point, but a lot of people confuse what DLC really is. DLC is not just content you get from PSN or XBL Marketplace. DLC is ANY content that is official additional content for a video game distributed through the Internet and can be delivered via patches or you standard marketplace.

For example, Witcher 2 added lots of free DLC via patches. Battlefield 3 actually adds all it's DLC via patches, you are only buying to unlock it when buying from XBL or PSN.

The MS agreement with Beth could have included certain requirements and my guess would be those requirements would have said the DLC had to be downloaded via XBL marketplace & be considered proper DLC.

Again, I get that. I was arguing against the point that Beth was just gonna stick to tiny little stuff and say that's all PS3 gets. I also disagree with the idea that the free stuff has always been a backup plan-call me crazy if you want.

I argued that particular point poorly, I confess, but that's my own fault. Gotta slip up sometimes, right?
And to be honest, I'm not sure what constitutes proper DLC. Once we find out the true scope of Dragonborn, I suspect that Microsoft may have an aneurysm when they realize they got shafted with Hearthfire

[Heather Dawson]

Again, I get that. I was arguing against the point that Beth was just gonna stick to tiny little stuff and say that's all PS3 gets. I also disagree with the idea that the free stuff has always been a backup plan-call me crazy if you want.

I argued that particular point poorly, I confess, but that's my own fault. Gotta slip up sometimes, right?
And to be honest, I'm not sure what constitutes proper DLC. Once we find out the true scope of Dragonborn, I suspect that Microsoft may have an aneurysm when they realize they got shafted with Hearthfire

It may not have been a back-up plan at first, but it's become one now. I hope it's not just gimmicky crap we get, but there's a good chance it is. Bethesda promised to let us know in advance if we will get any substantial DLC. As of now, they still have no clue if we will get any, and the third DLC has already been unofficially announced.

[dav]

Thing is I don't even play on my PS3 I'm all PC but I understand the frustration for those who bought the game for PS3 are going through

You're last sentence practically insulted every PS3 player. Whether or not you meant that the mods want to play it safe and keep this thread calm.

[JeSsy ArEllano]

Again, I get that. I was arguing against the point that Beth was just gonna stick to tiny little stuff and say that's all PS3 gets. I also disagree with the idea that the free stuff has always been a backup plan-call me crazy if you want.

I argued that particular point poorly, I confess, but that's my own fault. Gotta slip up sometimes, right?
And to be honest, I'm not sure what constitutes proper DLC. Once we find out the true scope of Dragonborn, I suspect that Microsoft may have an aneurysm when they realize they got shafted with Hearthfire

Well honestly I believe that PS3 will eventually get the DLC added I remember reading what Pete Hines said about that and when it was pointed out about what the back of the box said he stated that technically PS3 has received additional content. Which it has, not that it was really a substitute for the more significant DLC.

I do not agree though that because the back of the box says additional content, there promising you additional content. This is a pretty standard practice for all videos games because we by large are connected to the internet where can be delivered if a company chooses to do so. Nowhere does it guarantee it.

[Yvonne Gruening]

It may not have been a back-up plan at first, but it's become one now. I hope it's not just gimmicky crap we get, but there's a good chance it is. Bethesda promised to let us know in advance if we will get any substantial DLC. As of now, they still have no clue if we will get any, and the third DLC has already been unofficially announced.

And there's hints that the PS3 DLC is much farther along than Bethesda lets on(which makes me wonder what they're trying to do by keeping it under wraps)
I say give them time(not much else you can do) and see how this line of code fits into the grand scheme. And technically this is actually the second DLC, which would certainly help explain why the PS3 version of Dawnguard is so far behind. Only so many coders to go around

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to get all three DLCs out at once(speaking of which, we haven't heard jack about PS3 hearthfire, have we?)

[Katie Samuel]

Okay, this has just transcended the ridiculous barrier into the "what the flying [censored]" zone
If Mounted Combat, improved underwater visuals, and extra kill cams count as DLC for the PS3, why wouldn't they count as DLC for EVERY OTHER SYSTEM?
If that comment was correct, then that content would have been the subject of Microsoft's two temporary DLC exclusivity contracts because it was the first "DLC" released. Yet that is not what happened.

Were the 360 and PC mounted combat and stuff part of dawnguard or were they a separate patch all together?

Thing is I don't even play on my PS3 I'm all PC but I understand the frustration for those who bought the game for PS3 are going through

Understood, same here. I'm a PC player for a while now, just a supporter of the PS3 as well

And there's hints that the PS3 DLC is much farther along than Bethesda lets on(which makes me wonder what they're trying to do by keeping it under wraps)
I say give them time(not much else you can do) and see how this line of code fits into the grand scheme. And technically this is actually the second DLC, which would certainly help explain why the PS3 version of Dawnguard is so far behind. Only so many coders to go around

Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if they're trying to get all three DLCs out at once(speaking of which, we haven't heard jack about PS3 hearthfire, have we?)

Different teams work on different content though I thought, so the track that hearthfire is having is irrelevant to dawnguard if that's the case. It was also said that adding hearthfire would only worsen the dawnguard issue. Waiting it out is a bad idea as if they released all the games at separate times people would buy them individually for a more expensive pricing. If it's all at once then people will just grab the GotY edition with all the DLC in the game already.