You know, nobody has yet explained to me why they like their armor to come in ten pieces instead of four. Can anybody please explain this to me?

Yeah, it's called "Oblivion". There was no point to having pages of numbers to define your character. It was utterly pointless. It's only function was to allow people to sit and do the calculations to figure out how to get the most bang for their buck every time they leveled, and to find gimmicks to game the enemy leveling system. That's it.

You know, nobody has yet explained to me why they like their armor to come in ten pieces instead of four. Can anybody please explain this to me?

You know, nobody has yet explained to me why they like their armor to come in ten pieces instead of four. Can anybody please explain this to me?

Yeah, it's called "Oblivion". There was no point to having pages of numbers to define your character. It was utterly pointless. It's only function was to allow people to sit and do the calculations to figure out how to get the most bang for their buck every time they leveled, and to find gimmicks to game the enemy leveling system. That's it.



Crossbows had much longer reload times. I wouldn't object to their addition, so long as they had some realistic differences from bows that made them unique. A crossbow would largely be shorter range, higher damage and very slow to reload. They would require different ammo. For the most part they'd be something warriors could shoot once at enemies and then drop and draw their melee weapon. It could have uses, but I could care less about them adding in pseudo-crossbows that fire as fast as bows. Actually, I'd be annoyed, because it would strike me as utterly ignorant.



I think their removal was excellent. They simply are an unnecessary mechanic for a computer RPG.



To its knees? Lots of people seem to be very happy playing mages, you realize.



That's fine, but what does that have to do with wanting the armor to consist of like ten pieces instead of four? Mixing and matching brought nothing but miserable results. Wearing a Daedric cuirass with glass greaves and a dwarven helmet and elven gloves and leather boots and hide pauldrons or whatever - you'd look like a crazy quilt.

Fair enough.

I'll concede that the perks could certainly stand to be more diverse, specific, and skill related.

Attributes are hidden pretty good, almost too good... they should be a little more apparent or refined, well and diverse for that matter too. I wonder if the Thieve's Guild narrative was actually a referendum on attributes?

Um, customization? The thrill of finding a new piece of armor you can fit into your existent set? Currently you only need to find boots, helmet, gloves and body and you're done. Hell, we only have one ring slot. There's no point to dungeoncrawling when it only takes that little effort to have an entire armor set completed.

A greater level of customization.

I HATED Oblivions scaling system. I ranted about it here many times before. It was a total conflict in game design, having the lazy mass auto-scaling and attributes. They should have had one or the other, but not both. I see the crazy autoscaling as lazy on the Dev's part, so I'd prefer the attributes and hand-crafted content like in Morrowind. But the both combined IS hell. Fan mods more or less fixed that of course, but it was pretty bad.
But Oblivion is the most "spreadsheety" game you've played? Still funny to me. But was Morrowind too spreadsheety for you? It didn't have the insane scaling problem. It's the one I point to for what I liked about attributes.

A greater level of customization.

IT's most likely options. I agree in terms of clothes, as I'm not a fan of clothes being all together. I'm also saddened by the lack of ushanka hats, but that's irrelevant. I didn't really care for the Morrowind style where you had around 8-10 pieces of gear, it just became annoying and my character was mismatched with these absurdly huge pauldrons. I like having boots (do you honestly ever buy shoes that aren't in pairs?), gloves, briastplate, and helm.

IT's most likely options. I agree in terms of clothes, as I'm not a fan of clothes being all together. I'm also saddened by the lack of ushanka hats, but that's irrelevant. I didn't really care for the Morrowind style where you had around 8-10 pieces of gear, it just became annoying and my character was mismatched with these absurdly huge pauldrons. I like having boots (do you honestly ever buy shoes that aren't in pairs?), gloves, briastplate, and helm.

Well, okay - these are the answers I expected. And I get it - but Mitheledh, have you forgotten how insane mixing and matching the pieces of armor looked in Oblivion? And from what I've seen of the Morrowind armors - which I don't like to begin with - it would be even worse with more pieces of armor. Having iron greaves, a glass cuirass, a daedric helmet, elven gloves, dwarven boots, ebony pauldrons and a hide shield would just look like an armorer's shop threw up on you. You pretty much had to stick with matching armor to have it not look ridiculous.

With Skyrim you can get away with mixing some, but not much. I roll with all steel plate, except an ancient Nord helmet. I've got Lydia in all steel plate except regular steel boots because they came with an enchantment. I expect glass and elven could only be mixed with each other without looking ridiculous, and ebony, dwarven, daedric and orcish can pretty much only be worn in matching sets without looking absurd.

You're claiming (to a degree) that the reason Bethesda gave up, or neglected the older fans (which we don't know) because they wanted money (something we also don't know). While money is always in their interest you're linking the two together without evidence for either. I could also argue for straw man fallacy, or attacking the motive.

No you didn't. I never efficiently-leveled a single level in Oblivion.

Lord knows the first 10 levels of combat in Morrowind felt like I wasted my time putting points anywhere.

if I spend too much time in a menu I start to feel like I'm doing taxes.

How many times? I knew you was an alt...

I think saying "They should be in" is going a little too far. Modders could honestly implement spears, and crossbows, with perks, if they wanted. I dunno maybe I'm jaded by Minecraft (which never allowed the same access to code that Skyrim does) which had modders do some incredible things. There were tons of mods that had advanced AIs (well in comparison to vanilla minecraf), realism mods, towns, villages, storylines, even adventure maps that were almost exactly like Zelda.

Skyrim just has big booty mods, or nvde females... yes that's a huge understatement.

Which he obviously despises.

Which he obviously despises.

Yet most RPGs only have 4-6 pieces of gear for a set. There is none of this left glove/right glove crap. Yes I understand if you want pants, or pauldrons (which are ugly), but really anything more than that becomes annoying.

Nope. Customization is a great idea, but mixing armor in Oblivion had laughable results. From what I've seen of Morrowind's armor, which I don't like, it would be even worse if you could mix ten pieces instead of Oblivion's five. Skyrim has four and it seems to work well.

Hell, Skyrim is better for mixing armor than its predecessors. I can mix leather and hide and iron and steel and studded and fur and the like without it looking utterly ridiculous. Most of the other armor types can't be mixed very much, if at all, or else they look ridiculous. Try a forsworn helmet with glass armor and dwarven gloves and daedric boots and see how you like mixing armors.

What's the best light armor in the game? Dragonscale. You know what, though? I really can't stand the pauldrons on that set. It'd be nice if I could leaves those off. Maybe even replace them with pauldrons from a different set. Or maybe I could wear the scaled upper torso with the leggings/lower part of the studded armor. That would be nice.

And that's fair. I've honestly never seen the dragonsbone armor as I've never gotten my smithing up that high. Honestly it has gotten to the point where I despise half the clothes, and armor in the game so I just wear normal clothes around. It provides for a harder experience and makes me feel superior to those inferior AI.

If I wanted to I would just end up modding new armor into the game, or getting some armor retextured. But most of the crap I see borders on WoW territory where it becomes this mess of spikes, buckles, and fire.

One thing I absolutely hate is the vascularity of the models in the game. Every single character has the vascularity of a bodybuilder and it pisses me off.

I never asked for more than atleast also leggings, pauldrons, an extra ring and maybe cloak/bracers. That would be just the right amount of customization. Also I'm not sure what RPG's you play but most I played had a lot more slots than 4-6 :V

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/File:SR-item-Dragonscale_Armor_Female.jpg is the armor in question.

I want to make a joke about barbies and all the accessorizing but I won't. I understand diversity, and I understand wanting to customize your character. But I also don't want to sacrifice practicality either for the sake of dressing up. If things like weapons, and clothes are on the table then a very logical critique is lack of factions. I'd like to become part of a temple, you see the Stendarr followers running around saving people and I want to do that too!

I disagree the faction have suffered in this game in there less diversity in Skyrim over the diversity in Morrowind and the factions over there. That game had the best factions and the most diversity, and there is nothing wrong with customizing your character to reflect the personality you give them.

One thing I absolutely hate is the vascularity of the models in the game. Every single character has the vascularity of a bodybuilder and it pisses me off.

I'm one of the few on the forums that loves the new style of leveling and lack of attributes. I don't need to see a physical number on my screen telling me that I'm getting more powerful-- in Skyrim I can feel it.

The target audience for the series has gradually broadened and shifted away from CRPG fans towards fans of console action-adventure games. It's just something older fans have to accept.

With this shift in direction, a number of aspects of the series have unquestionably been simplified. However, other aspects have become more complex. It isn't all one big downhill slope...