I think the worst part of the Riften Massacre is that OCD drives me to plunge all of the corpses, vampire and otherwise into the water, so I spent some time doing that. I already have to dump the body of the occasional thief and whatnot in Riften...

No its about both.

And this is the experience of many people. I don't know what's wrong with the City Guard in their games, but in mine they just punish the Vamps almost as soon as they draw a blade. Before I can even get there it's a 20-1 battle and the Vampire is already down.

The Thralls never last long after that.

Whats with the people saying "you can just reload your game anyway" Tbh, for me saves are there for me to reload if I die or have some bug or something, not for have to reload it 5 times just to save NPCs ...

So because everything is fine in your game, you immediately assume other people are exaggerating or have something wrong with their games?

Such flawed logic.

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Will you disinstall Dawnguard if the random vampire attacks aren't fixed somehow?

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Well then don't reload and let them stay dead that is really up to you.

No, I have no problem with the vampire attacks. (93 votes [63.27%]

A lot of people have. Same as a lot of people have said they are waiting on purchasing until there is a fix for it... Same as a lot of PC users have said lucky us, we can just mod it... Time for Uriel to stick their fingers in their ears singing " lalalala not listening, everything is okay" again.

But I don′t want them to be dead. And if I have to reload everytime I enter the city to save them, well that is not my idea of fun, which should be purpose of DLC, but it seems it gives people more stress than fun so far.Not saying to everyone but to alot of people, so some compromise for both groups cant be that bad.

...How did Madesi get beheaded? I've never seen NPCs do that before....

The same can be said for the opposite side. a lot of people are enjoying the game. I am willing to bet a lot more people are happy with the game. So if some of you want to uninstall or wait to get it or whatever.Then do so.

NPC Beheadings...

Oh, I've seen it many times before in different game play thru's... rem I do have game set to MASTER Difficulty...

My first on ll/11/11 I don't recall - Game options were set to Defaults tho & I played thru most of the game at lvl 17 w/no perks used... most of my friends would say why you still at lvl 17 - i'd say cause i haven't seen the need to do so... yes used follower and Antronachs & lots of potions but I did it.. was strategy... hit & run (pray - once in a great while due to Dragon or Dragon Priests & on occasion a Draugr Deathlord or so

People like Uriel are of the mindset that if it doesn't happen to them, it doesn't happen to anyone and the people who complain are a minority and just exaggerating/trolling. He really needs to stop with his 'holier-than-thou' attitude about this issue and realize that not everyone's game will be the same as his.

The same "flaw" in logic that says that because you can't stop people from dying that it must be a huge mistake (even though it was coded in that way) and or flaw. In fact, it's such a huge "flaw" that Bethesda simply must roll out a "fix" that will affect everyone's game (including the majority of people who love the Vamp attacks), thereby changing a game to your specific interests instead of what the majority of people may want/desire.

And about the poll that you keep bringing up, 117 people doesn't mean [censored] to the larger picture.

Get over yourself. You're proving how selfish you really are.

The simple fact of the matter is that most (happy now?) people usually doesn't have a chance to save the NPCs, be it because they spawn too far away or simply because the player does not have time to react. If they're lucky, they'll save the NPCs, but they'll probably have to reload a few times.

Just because this doesn't affect you doesn't mean it doesn't affect other people.

And out of the tens of thousands of copies of the Expansion that have been downloaded, what kind of numbers do you have that say that "most" people are having "trouble" with it. if you can't back it up with facts, then you have to assume that they're alright with the attacks. If for no other reason than they were specifically programmed in with these randomization parameters and AI attack patterns.


I have never said this, or anything even close to this.

I have said that IMO, I think people are way over-exaggerating the issue. If you're going to put them into my mouth, at least make them intelligent and try to make use of my heavily German-accented English.

It would be much appreciated.

A quick look at the polls on here, and searching the forums and google shows me that quite a few people have problems with it.

And by your logic, the people who like the feature feel no need to say so. So why do you keep responding, then?



I never put words in your mouth. You kept stating how you could dispatch the vampires very easily, and it sounded a bit like "if it doesn't happen to me, it doesn't happen to anyone." If I misinterpreted it, then I apologize.

Just trying to keep a bit of sanity flowing through the Forums. Sanity and Perspective. That's the name of my game.

This would definitely help.

It would.

And rather than tweak the frequency of the attacks (or removing them entirely), if the owners of a shop get whacked, I would be in favor of having another named NPC be generated by the game (not pulled from somewhere else, but a fresh NPC complete with that new NPC smell) to take over the shop.

Could this possibly be the new "comfortable grey-area" that everyone could agree on?

If so, I might have to send Fierce Mudcrabs a birthday card for thinking of it...

To be honest, I love the attacks, just not how they are. I think Fierce Mudcrabs idea is good, and a lot of people having been putting out this idea as well. If the game can generate random quests, why not random named npcs?

And see, with this idea, I could still keep my attacks right where i want them (as they currently are), but the people who don't like them would still be able to use the shops and quest-givers and such.

It's a win win in my book.

But unfortunately, generating a new NPC with a unique name and face every time is impossible without a rewrite of the game engine.

Ok, I really have to say that up to this point I thought people were overreacting but that picture makes me understand now... They really should fix this... Even during Dragon attacks it wasn't this bad because Citizens usually couldn't attack the Dragons since they were flying and only guards could (Since they had bows). Usually this would drive the Dragons attention to the guards and Citizens would rarely die, usually only because they ran into the crossfire. However, Citizens can get a crack at Vampire Lords quite easily, and they get destroyed. I saw Adrianne hit a Vampire Lord once and he just grabbed her and stabbed her in the chest 5 times before letting her dead body hit the ground...