Exactly. This is why the attacks should be removed from the cities. That way quest-givers/shopkeepers have no risk of dying, and the feature will still remain for those who like it. It's just that some people seem to think that this would break the immersion. But think about it: Why would vampires enter a city and start suicidally attacking everything in sight? THAT'S not immersive.

It's actually an easier written algorithm than you might think.

I have an easier fix, make all the NPC's who are not guards run into their houses during these attacks. It doesn't make sense for them to try do a guards job anyway.

It doesn't seem like it would be that hard, just throw in a few random last and first names. But if they can't, I wouldn't give a [censored] if they were named shopkeeper!

And, we're back to this...

*sigh*

Set the Vampires to only attack certain level NPCs related to their own level. Since Citizens are low then they would leave them alone.

I prefer them to run and hide it gets them out of the way.

Not quite. In Daggerfall, they could do it because they had a massive list of name and surname prefixes and suffixes, and randomly pieced them together to give it a dynamic feeling. Doing this in Skyrim would be pretty damn hard if not impossible because the engine simply does not support the same NPC generation system as Daggerfall. It would require the engine to be completely rewritten.

Thats much more complicated then just setting a level gate for vampire aggression.

How so? I am pretty sure all you have to do is lower there aggression. Like deer that run away from danger.

First lets be clear that I have no problem with the attacks the way they are so calm yourself. I am making this suggestion for the people that do have a problem with it.

xD Vampires arent allies any more then humans are (wars wars and more wars). So go kill them, i do.

I think I'll stick with supporting this solution as a bridge between the two sides.

It won't work unless you don't mind the NPCs being replaced by generic and boring NPCs with no unique dialogue whatsoever. Read my above post.

Yeah, this is the best solution and something the elder scrolls has apparently been missing since daggerfall.

Meh... I'd be just fine with that.

As long as they sell the same items, I could care less.

It's a good solution, if the Bethesda can/will do it. I would also like attacks on cities not to start until you join dawnguard, so that ppl could avoid all the attacks if they wished just like not doing the mq to avoid dragon attacks

Replacing the NPCs with generic, nameless, and boring NPCs would just break the immersion. The towns would still feel just as lifeless and empty.

In my opinion, the best middle ground solution here is to remove the attacks from cities and villages.

You don't know what the definition of "Compromise", do you? lol

Perhaps there should simply just be an option in the game that allows vampire attacks. And other then that, no other changes. For those who don't like NPC's dying, you can turn off vampire attacks, that mean if you encounter vampires, it won't be in a town/city.

But for those who do enjoy the attacks how they are already, then they should have the option in having them.

That is the best middle ground that i can come up with. Becaue other ideas like, removing vampire attacks on cities/towns for good, or having NPC's who die just be replaced with another NPC that do the same function,

(which takes alot out of the vampire attacks, if i know that NPC's are never in any true harm from vampires, why should i defend them from the attacks? And how would this apply to dragon attacks? I would not want a shopkeeper who was killed by a dragon to just come back, because if he does, what is the point of defending a villege from a dragon then?)

would hurt the people who enjoy these attacks. If many people had there way here, those who support these attacks will suffer, and those who don't will be rewarded....that's not fair......so i think my idea of having an option to turn on or off is the best idea.

I do, actually. It's just that not everyone is going to like the suggested solution, so I'm adding new ideas and seeing what builds up from there. I just want to see this feature fixed, I'm not interested in engaging in silly disputes. Once this gets addressed, I'm happy.

And if it doesn't, I'll just mod it out anyway.

But... you haven't added a new idea. You're still going with the "remove them entirely regardless of what other people may want"...

With this idea, yes you still have the attacks, but even should someone pop off, in three days to a week or so the shop will have a new owner and be back in business again.

It wouldn't be the same person, but in a tough economy ravaged by Civil war, Dragons, and now Vampire attacks, you take what ever job you can get. lol

im going to repeat my suggestion. add a dawnguard stationed at each town/city, speak to them to recieve a vampire attack misc quest. i get to ignore attacks on cities and towns, and the people that like the attacks get to keep them. simple right?

I was all for removing them from cities, but now that I've read this one, it seems like the most suitable idea. Having the attacks able to be triggered only by a misc quest sounds like a fair compromise to me.