Ah typical Stormcloaks, only seeing Cyrodil as the Empire whole.
When the legions march with Orc, Imperial, Breton, Nord, Dunmer, Altmer and Redguard standing side by side, you will then see the folly of your blindness.
Nords proved they don't need magic? The legion proved its the greatest fighting force on Tamriel.

And then they surrender. lol

I got it, just wasn't all that funny. But ha ha I suppose.

Hahaha

I wouldnt count on the redguards for help in the second war if u side with the empire. More or less theyll watch from the sidelines and atk when the enemys retreating or when its weakened from beating the empire..or if they atk hammerfell first. I see them not wanting to get intangled with the empire so soon since u know the whole empire deserting them thing.
The dunmer, eh their homeland is a mess so I wouldnt count on any great houses or great wizards in force, more like the dunmers alrdy living somewhere else in imperial lands, but not the actual great dunmers of morrowind.
The argonians and the khajits..pretty much self explained. Wouldnt see to much help from them sinve u know they with the enemy now.
ill give ya the orcs since they pretty much are good atm and havent got shafted yet.


As far as nords being superior, they are against imperials as far as melee. Plus the imperials are civilized compared to the nords wereas the nords strike fear into their opponents thru showing their battlelust and whatnot.

Plus this civil war I wouldnt even go as far as saying whoever wins is the better race since the empire is so short on soldiers they are using primarely local nords to do the battle. So we can say the civil war is only weakening skyrim, BC it's only skyrim locals who are fighting. The empire isnt using or wasting their bretons or imperials, they using the local nords.

Also never umderestimate the underdog. Yes the nords wull when they went and beat the elves, but thats only one weapon. The leadee didnt do it alone, they did it being pissed off nords looking for a fight. Tiber needed a giant robot and aassive army, whereas the 500 only needed a kickass mace and nord battle lust and a pissed off attitude.

Tiber Septim need numidium because they were fighting in Summerset Isle which was protected, Reman fleet got destroyed, remember?

If they're fighting on summerset isle I'm not sure that Ysgramor and the 500 companions can win so easily.

And again I've yet to see proof that the 500 companion win withoutmagic.

The Empire and the Stormcloaks should have joined together to fight the true enemy...the Dominion.

They were, but the Empire kept showing weakness in addition to making concessions with the enemy. With the nords, they do not view weakness as a good thing. The fact that Ulfric was able to get his revolt so far shows that the Empire is going to fall again. Heck, once the Empire threw Hammerfell under the bus, red flags should have been raised for all countries still part of the Empire.

The Empire needs to be remade or reawakened. Keeping everything the same through force will only weaken everything and drag everyone else down. What happened in Skyrim is a symptom to a major problem the Empire chooses to ignore or refuse to fix.

And if you ask me, an alliance between Skyrim and Hammerfell would only lead to wonder. Both have their independence, and as allies the two strongest fighting forces of mankind become the greatest of friends.

Agreed. And further still, Nords are known to hire orc mercenaries. Imagine!

Well, when friends are invited to the party, things become even more fun. Which is why they joined the nord's initiation rites into advlthood in the 3rd era with pillaging dunmer villages followed by vast amounts of drinking (okay, that part is head canon, but I prefer that over just invading MW for the [censored] and giggles)

I think were all getting off topic. This isnt Imperials Vs. Nords. Its Imperials Vs. Stormcloaks. Im an imperial but i have a true respect for the nords. There are Nords in the Imperial Legion. Those are my definition of true nords. Whatever problems the Empire has, they dont mesure up to the pure racisim, and genereal lack of order that would come from a Stormcloak rule.

The Stormcloaks are holding onto their holds they win or joined with success, and someone better tell Ulfric there is a Saxhleel in his army and is the same rank as Galmar, and dunmer still living in his city along with *gasp* altmer. And the altmer are *DUN DUN DUN* respected! =O

No, the Empire is weak, and it is dragging everyone down with it. Hammerfell was thrown under the bus, and the Empire is doing the same with Skyrim. The Empire needs a real awakening and/or revival if Mankind (or anyone who wishes Mundus to continue to exist) is to survive.

Not only that, but Ulfric names you kin. Meaning should he kick the bucket you, an argonian, are his successor and have legitimate claim to the throne of high king(Should the moot decide in his favor).

Imperial players always bring up racism but then s-s-stutter when the worst that's done is a cooky old guy yelling at the dunmer at night.

and that's CANON.

But only because I dislike the Empire and haven't bothered to understand them yet.. which I should. I wish I could help the rest in Windhelm

Thats just gameplay. Skyrim is about more than just what you see when you play. Its about the books you read in game and the characters you talk to. And its generally known among the people of skyrim that ulfric has straight up let dark elves die. He only cares about nords... oh and when i say nords i mean HIS NORDS (as in his stormcloak followers)

Sided with the Stormcloaks for the first time. I felt VERY guilty after completing the quest to take over Whiterun, when Baalgruf turns to me and remarks, "YOU, a Stormcloak? Who would've though?".

Considering he has been VERY nice to me in the past, I felt really bad that I betrayed him...

I've done the stormcloak campaign numerous times now, and to me it sounds like he says 'You, Stormcloak soldier' as if he's addressing you like he would any other stormcloak. You don't really spend a lot of time with him early in the MQ before he acts like any other Jarl.

After WINNING, no less. We kicked Aldmeri ass, now let's snatch some defeat from the jaws of victory! While we're at it, let's also give up half of Hammerfell while we're at it and effectively cause the other half to successfully rebell against us, losing all of those Redguard that were so proudly listed as "among their ranks". Nice job breaking it, hero. There's a reason my Redguard is strongly for the Stormcloak cause - she grew up in the days of the Hammerfell liberation, when they left the empire and took back their lands from the Aldmeri. She grew up in that hell, and she's not about to just stand there and let Skyrim suffer through it as well.

The empire betrayed her people, and now it betrays Skyrim as well, stripping them of their right to worship and demanding the people bend their knee to the very people they once were at war with. Yeah... not going to happen. I'm actually surprised there's not more redguard going to join up with the stormcloaks after all the crap that happened to their homeland.

The only jarl with an Argonian in her household is a Stormcloak. So yeah. Several have elves in their households as well, and offhand I can't think of any imperial jarl who does. Maybe some of the replacements, I don't know.

I did hear another person say something about throwing all the elves out- Ulfric's housecarl. He says it in context with the justiciars and imperial jarls, but he could be envisioning any troublemaker elf would be included in that.

It's kind of hard to just up and move whenever you feel like it especially if your poor and the Dunmer there are poor just look around and you can obviously see that.

Then there is the Thalmor during this ridiculous war for pride, glory, and power both side are ignorant to the fact the Thalmor are pulling strings to sew the end of the Mundas you honestly think that the empire and the Stormcloaks will stand if the physical world is shattered and obliterated in a wave of magical energy. Ulfric is a power hungry glory craving moron and the empires leaders are cowards to weak to even start an uprising against their Thalmor masters.

Well, to be fair they almost did. Merely months after Tullius arrived. The only thing that put the Civil War in a stalemate was the involvement of Alduin. After that it is the favor of the Dragonborn that will determine the result, but if the Dragonborn didn't get involved I think it is probable that the Legion would have won.

I'm really sick of that claim about Ulfric. Especially since from the stuff you see in the Creation Kit, he was intended to have more lines which would have helped flesh him out as a more caring a just man, but had to deal with the crap from war as well.

Comments like that try to stereotype people as one dimensional. It's a shame that all that content was left unused... Such as General Tullius saying he actually sympathized with the stormcloaks and their cause, but his loyalties still remained with the empire. The fact that he really didn't want to wage this war, but duty called and forced his hand... would have added so much depth to him.

It's nothing against you in particular, but... well, even from the conversation you hear when you first walk into the stormcloak area, you can tell this guy's not just some powerhungry guy. His second in command sure does seem like one, but Ulfric himself... not so much.

I will say, though, that I'm ticked you can't play both sides against each other as a thalmor agent. My Altmer Mage would have totally done that, and would have worked with Ancano into framing the Archmage and the Master Wizard into doing our work for us, and then coming out on top not only has "heroes", but exposing the Psijic order's location to the Aldmeri. So much that could have been done with an Aldmeri faction option... Such a waste not to include it.

The empire just gave the Nordic way of life away with the outlawing of talos he saved the world by transforming
The last of the septum bloodline into a dragon like beast thing at the end of oblivion saved the world Pretty Mutch.
So when they signed the white gold concord it's like killing the hero of the nords they had reason to revolt the empire
Was crumbling anyway.