I played both sides during the civil war, and when i helped the stormcloaks, Npc's had reaction like "since they're here, i'm loosing my job". Am i right?

No ones bad except the Thalmor(not the altmer just the thalmor).

Arn't they also like that with the imperials havent done the imperial side in awhile but I really don't see them as being evil

The Empire and Stormcloaks are grey factions, it all comes down to point of view and personal preference. To me the majority of the Stormcloaks grievances are legitimate, but I see their leaders are being opportunistic and manipulation of those grievances to raise their stations. The Empire on the other hand is being blamed for suffering the disadvantages of losing a war and making a few bad choices. Most of it is unfair blame to me, but some of it is legitimate. Overall i'd say neither are good or bad guys, although I seldom have anything good to say about the Stormcloaks and it's rare for me to say anything even nice about Ulfric.

I dunno, that's kind of weird, like the potion women in arcadia's cauldron in whiterun, she says that she'll have to go back to cyrodiil, because stormcloaks think that she is selling lethal potions...

Not really, both stormcloaks and the empire has flaws so neither is completely wrong or right.

The Dragon Born should get his own army, and if no one supports him call in the dragons lol

Totally okay with your idea, we should have an army of followers, and you, mounting a dragon, will lead them to victory

Hell yeah fus everyone outta my way and if they dont like it *Spoliers*




they can take it up with oahdaving

Everyone's grey... yay.

No, they aren't bad. Their aspiration is good for Skyrim and bad for the Empire - just like Imperial aspiration is good for the Empire and bad for Skyrim.

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I can understand that point of view. For both Stormcloaks and Imperials operate under the same assumptions and resort to the same methods. However, there is one difference that tips me over to Ulfric's side. Self-determination. Inhabitants have the right to freely choose their sovereignty, out of the claws of the Empire, if they so wish. True, Stormcloaks appear to be racist, but we would deal with that after their victory. And Ulfric is a great character, the best in the game. The voice acting is just superb. I also enjoy the flowery poetics in his rhetoric.

It really depends on your political leanings yourself. Both the Stormcloaks and the Empire have valid causes and neither is wholly good or evil.

How come what's the stormcloaks doing are good for Skyrim? As the OP states there are people that is loosing their job because stormcloaks prejudice. I'm not saying that they're entirely wrong. But there are some bad things that'll happen to Skyrim if Stormcloaks win just like there are good things that'll happens to kyrim if the Empire win.

Whereas people just get executed by the Empire for supporting the Stormcloaks. Think I'd prefer losing my job to be honest..

Personally I view the Stormcloaks and the Thalmor to be akin to fascists(Nazi's, NFP, etc) while the Imperials are more akin the UK or the US.

If you think about it, both the Stormcloaks and the Thalmor what to restore their nations to their former glory and have a dislike for all races that are not their own. Even going as far as to prosecute and exterminate those they consider to be lesser.

The Imperials on the other-hand welcome all other races openly and don't persecute anyone based on their race or religion(You could say the Imperials stopped Talos worship but it was the Thalmor that stopped that).

Are you joking ? When was the last non-Imperial emperor ? How many have there been in it's entire history ?

The Stormcloaks are nothing like the Aldmeri Dominion, all they want is to rule their own country again. There may be some within their ranks that are relatively xenophobic, but to slander an entire cause simply because of a few bigots would be ridiculous, as you'd then need to slander the Empire for every bastard who tried to lop the head off of innocent people who happened to wander into a Stormcloak ambush.

Right, the gatekeeper right? I agree that execution was a bit extreme but at least they had valid reason, because the gatekeeper sides with the enemy. Whereas that Imperial alchemist and those dunmers was discriminated withoud a shred of proof that they supports the empire.

They are both morally grey, but siding with the Empire is, long term, more beneficial to Tamriel as a whole.
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Actually the Stormcloaks thing is worse.

With the Empire only a certain people who choose to join the cloaks suffer. With the Stormcloaks anyone who wasn't born a Nord is screwed.

I'll take the Empire anyday.


I remember reading that there was once a Dunmer empress of the Empire.

I can't get over how much the title reminded me of Mr. Mackey from South Park. "Stormcloaks are bad, m'kay?"


A few? Mate, argonians, khajiit and dark elves are barely even allowed into Stormcloak controlled cities. Though I agree they aren't as extreme as the Dominion, they're still blatantly racist.

EDIT: Also, didn't Skyrim belong to the Forsworn? Or was that just the Reach?

That's why both the empire and stormcloaks are a shade of grey, the aldmeri dominion is the only black here, shame as Altmer is my favorite race.

Not just him, plenty of Nords being escorted by Imperial soldiers in the wilderness (obviously to their execution). They tried to execute me simply for stumbling into a Stormcloak ambush by accident. And if you think the Imperials wouldn't be predujiced towards citizens who openly supported the Stormcloak cause then you're mad.

How exactly does it belong to the Forsworn (and it's only the Reach) ? Because they lived there before the Nords ? The Dwemer and the Falmer lived there before the Reachmen, does that mean it actually belongs to them and every other race should leave the land ? The Nords rule the Reach, that much is clear, it belongs to them. In Tamriel (as in most places), land belongs to the strong, to those with the will to claim it.


You're claiming an entire cause is racist simply because of xenophobes within it. Is the Empire racist then ? Plenty of xenophobic Imperials around, especially in Cyrodiil. The Stormcloak cause itself is not racist, it simply wants Skyrim to be independent.


Also ancient Nord belief states that Nords actually originated in Skyrim (were breathed into existence upon the Throat of the World), travelled to Atmora and returned many, many, many generations later. Which would mean they actually lived in Skyrim long before any other living race.

I didn't say it belonged to the Forsworn currently. I used past tense.