lol ya i think there was athread on his age and i think everyone agreed that he was at least late 40s or 50s. But eh the ingame npcs have aged well, delphie supposed to be in her late 50s and the guy who ulfrics right hand man hes in his 60s


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How can the Empire expect to win against the thalmor if they cant win against the underequiped warriors of Skyrim?

I did say in my post that it was my "Opinion"

If the Dunmer don't like Windhelm and the Stormcloaks why don't they just.... move.

I'm sure Ulfric wouldn't mind. But everyone else would! At least Ulfric is letting them mooch off of him, I wonder how Solitude would react to 100 homeless people over night.

But your opinion, as valid as it may be as an opinion, is neither the law or the tradition of Skyrim. A lot of people claim it was unfair and violated the "rules" but so far there is no evidence stating exactly what the rules are, or that rules about such things even exist.

Typically in a duel where "rules" are to be followed, those rules are laid out very carefully beforehand - you can do this, but you can't do that, etc. EVERYONE knows that Ulfric can shout. It's not a secret, it's a documented fact. But apparently nobody bothered to bring that up before the duel started... did they just assume that he wasn't going to use every weapon at his disposal? I mean, there are a lot of people who are upset about what happened, but I don't recall anyone saying that what he did violated some otherwise undocumented rulebook on how to conduct a challenge for the throne.

If you accept a challenge to duel to the death and all you've got is a knife but you know the other guy has a loaded gun in his back pocket, and it's not made clear that use of the gun is against the rules, is it really the other guy's fault when he shoots you before you can get close enough to cut him? And if there are no rules, if the concept of rules doesn't even apply, then you have to assume he's going to use it and either take your chances with that or refuse the challenge and accept the consequences.

You can't be serious, Windhelm is their home and they have just as much right to live in their home as Ulfric does.

I wonder if the the shoe was on the other foot, how would the Dunmer feel about it.

And... They hate it there.. If some place else would be better why don't they go there? Free room and board, and the ability to complain about anything they want.

Well yes, but Ulfric still shouldn't let people like Stone-Fist harass the elves though the monument decreed that they have no compensation to Skyrim

basically Ulfric started the MOOT thru legal means, The Empire started the CIVIL WAR for banning a practice they themselves practice and unlawfully charged Ulfric with murder of the High King.

Everything is opinion. Even is Skyrim since MANY NPC's have different positions/views/sources on what happened at the battle of Torryg and Ulfric, the Civil War, etc.


^^^How can the Stormcloaks expect to win when they're leader is racist (or lead to be racist), unprepared/unequipped since he was CAPTURED and nearly executed, and if he isn't racist he can't even rule/control his own people from being so and saying so lol.

Comparing inferior breed humans to nords is poor; the empire exists because the nords forged it. Then imperials evolved out of it all and that was that.

The reason the Empire can win is because of the biggest weakness that Elves have always had - the weakness that caused the Snow Elves to attack the Nedes when they sailed from Atmorra - they reproduce slowly and lost tons of men in the Great War, The Humans will be up to power long before.

We still don't know if he "lets" him harass the elves. I don't really know if we even really know his stance on the elves at this point.

@BarnabyJones... Then Ulfric can't even control his own people/guards, yet he is supposed to be High King??

Who do you think should be high king?

Control them? As in what? Why does he give a crap if ONE SINGLE MAN yells at Elves at night?

The nord way is to carry your own weight. If the Elves want respect, they should earn it by fist fighting Rolf instead of having the Dovakhiin do it! One of the Dunmer even says it himself: If the Dark Elves want respect they have to work and earn their own.

The Empire is good for business, and business is good for Skyrim.

I really don't think the Empire has any bad aspirations for Skyrim. The situation of The Empire has really nothing to do with the situation in Skyrim in that regard. If the Stormcloaks drive them out they are not going to invade Cyrodiil. Of course the empire is in part(or primarily) fighting for their "right to rule" Skyrim/a strong and united empire(depending on your position) but it's undeniable that they are also fighting for their people, the nords(and other Sktrim citizens), a large portion of which is quite pro-Empire. Everything in Skyrim is pretty even-handed in regard to the sides, you will essentially find the same amount of supporters/detractors for each - and then we have the large masses who seem undecided, or at least really don't want to get involved. This is not an occupational war, it's a civil war, both fighting for what they believe are their "rights" + the best for Skyrim and themselves.

Conjuration can solve the number problem though, and isn't there a book that states that the elves didn't breed slowly rather they kill their offspring in obsession of purity.

I don't remember any book stating that Elves don't reproduce slowly. I remember the exact opposite.

What, Daedric minions? Small good it will do them. Small good it's done them in the past. You're forgetting that in the event that the Stormcloaks won over the Empire, the Dovahkiin stands with them.

And where the Dovahkiin stands, there also stand dragons.

He probably is, and the timeline is correct. The Great War ended with the signing of the WGC in 4E 175. The Markarth Incident was in 176.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Great_War#The_Great_War

The game begins in 4E 201, 26 years after the end of the Great War and 25 years since the Markarth Incident. How long Ulfric has been Jarl I can't be sure of, because I have yet to find documentation stating how long he spent in prison after he was arrested in Markarth. All we know is that his father died during his incarceration and Ulfric took his place when he was finally released and returned to Windhelm.

Prior to his service in the Great War, Ulfric spent almost ten years as a student of the Greybeards, starting at some unknown point in his childhood (he says he was "just a lad" but that's as definitive as it gets). We don't know when he left High Hrothgar to join in the fighting, but it had to be after the war started in 171 and before the sack of the Imperial City in 174 (since he was already a POW in Thalmor custody before that happened).

So somewhere in between 4E 161-164, he was already old enough to be chosen by the Greybeards and take up residence in High Hrothgar, and somewhere between 171-174 he was old enough to leave there and take up military service in the war. Personally I don't see the age of maturity in Skryim being less than 16, and I don't see the Greybeards taking in a child younger than 6 as student (not that this isn't possible, I just can't see them wanting to deal with a child that young, lol).

If you accept 16 as his youngest possible age in 171-174, then he's at least 43-46 when the game starts in 4E 201. I place him a little bit older by a year or two, but I think 50 is probably too old, if only because Galmar is officially described (in the game guide) as "old" in comparison and he seems 60ish, maybe 65 tops and there's a bit of a "paternal" vibe in their relationship (could just be me) which would seem out of place if they were closer in age.

first Pocket guide of the empire if I remember correctly.

And the Dovahkiin is not a valid argument the same can be said if Dovahkiin sided with the empire.

And as much as I despise necromancy every soldier that dies is another ally to them.

I didn't say anything about why the Empire did what they did, or whether or not their choices were objectively justifiable at the time. Nevertheless the choices were made, and choices have consequences. One of the consequences of the WGC is that the Nords no longer have freedom of religion. One of the consequences of taking away a people's freedom of religion is that some of those people are going to feel oppressed, because they ARE being oppressed, regardless of what reasons the oppressor uses to justify it.


One word: Hammerfell.

It is a valid argument because we're arguing the idea that the Stormcloaks won against the empire, but couldn't defeat the Thalmor.

Fair enough. Both sides can win if they have the Dovahkiin, but I still think that the empire will have lesser casualties. As I stated before the stormcloaks know nothing about magic.

I disagree. The Empire has weaker men. Men in Skyrim and Hammerfell suffer more hardship and are stronger for it. Men born in cyrodiil are in the lap of luxury.

Oh, and refresh my memory: how many times have the nords lost wars with Elves?

Neither side is bad its a matter of opinion. I think your guy should have the option to be high king since you basicly have power as dragonborn and being leader of a lot of factions/guilds.

Treng, plenty with the dunmer, which is why they never retook Morrowind. But by the third era, most of it was rites into advlthood, where young nord lads/lasses would raid and pillage a dunmer village, and proceed to drink a lot right after.