Yes it was given to them. What do you want them to give them ? Their own manor houses ? It's not the Nords fault that the Red Mountain erupted, why should they give up everything they own to the Dunmer ? I find such statements incredible. Yes many of them are treated like dirt, they were still welcomed and accepted by the rulers of Skyrim, what the people do is not within their control.

Dunmer are after all renowned for their respect of other races and warm hospitality towards outsiders, particularly Argonians. I believe they even presented them with jewllery when they visited Morrowind, oh no wait.. Those were slave chains.

You say that as if its so simple. Not exactly easy to overthrow a dude who can shout, and has the support of thousands of Nords who bow to his every whim.

Yes, but they don't know that do they? If they know about it I'm sure that a more drastic action will be done.

I know it and i'm a Stormcloak. So I killed every bowel-stained Elf in Windhelm for the good of all Skyrim.




With WUUTHRAD.

Well, yes but to be fair the dunmer do practice slavery so they bring this on themselves, I'm not agreeing with him completely though.

I meant the other npc not the player. And yes Wuuthrad is awesome when you're playing warrior archetype

Well the Dunmer were repayed for that(Argonians are awesome), should they still have to suffer for their actions?


The Stormcloaks everybody!

They didn't know it because the Nords didn't snoop around the Dunmer's property. But the Dunmer completely refused to aid in their host's war. And that says much.

Maybe not, but if they were given the right and duty to govern themselves without having to swear fealty to any lord in Skyrim should they expect that others take care of and pay for their problems for them? Some Dunmer even says that the only way they can get out of the slum is to do something about them themselves and not sit around and complain about it.

They didn't stop being antagonists when their slaves kicked them out of Morrowind. They came to Windhelm and openly stated in book how they were going to take the city from the nords who didn't so much as charge them rent.

Why should they have to get involved? Its not their fight. Why should they sacrifice their lives for the people who don't even want them there?

Hell maybe if the Nords treated them better they might actually want to fight with them. As the saying goes.. "You get more friends with honey than with vinegar."

No, I'm just saying that it make sense a little.

Now see, they don't have to get involved. But by choosing not to, they earn the ire of those who begrudging allow their residence. Did you consider Ulfric might give a damn about them if they earned their keep? They're one massive drain on his resources and only one Dunmer family earns its own way - the one with the farm.

Maybe if the Dunmer had treated other races with more respect throughout the years the Nords wouldn't treat them like [censored] in Skyrim..

The Nords treat everyone like [censored] in Skyrim. Especially the Elves. The Dunmer being "nice" to them wouldn't have done a lick of good.


The Dunmer are a proud race. They're not gonna choose to side with someone simply because "they think they'll like them better".

Peer pressure is for svckers.



Did you consider the Dunmer might give a damn about them if Ulfric wasn't constantly treating them(and every other race) like [censored]?

Yes well, I can see that now, but it doesn't make it right.

Nords are the only race in Skyrim who've conquered the entirety of the world short of Akavir. You speak of proud races, the Nords single handedly overthrew the first Mer Empire.


I'd say that Ulfric wasn't the first to be rude, what with offering the dunmer free room and board.

[censored] elf-loving [censored]s. Can't stand listening to your [censored] logic (let's give the Dunmer the clothes off our back so we're not considered racist). Skyrim belongs to the Nords, it's as simple as that. We drove out the Falmer and we'll drive out the Dunmer, when we're done with them we'll drive out the Altmer. We'll wash the streets with Mer blood, FILTH. We'll torch the houses you lived in and rebuild them. We'll put every last elf to the sword and cheer as the light drains from it's beady red eyes. DEATH TO THE DUNMER !!

Yaaaawwwwwn!


I get the feeling that the Dunmer were being treated like crap before this conflict. So I'd say its Ulfric, and his peoples fault. Also whats the excuse for him treating the other races badly as well?


Stay classy Stormcloaks. Stay classy. Also without the empires support all the Nords will do is just gain more enemies.

Dunmer as enemies, Argonians as enemies(Ya know, the race that made freakin Daedra run in terror?), Khajiit as enemies, Altmer as enemies, Bosmer as enemies, Bretons as enemies, Imperials as enemies, Redguards as enemies(maybe).

That's a lot of enemies man.

The dunmer do say that they much prefer being under imperial rule when you take Windhelm for the Legion. Does that not say something?

The Empire is trying to regain control and influence following the end of the Great War by any means necessary. Honestly, this is probably the only lore I've ever seen where something called "The Empire" isn't malevolent.

Yeah, the Stormcloaks are trying to fight the Thalmor while restoring their culture but they're doing so at the cost of the jobs and security of thousands of people. One of the Stormcloak officers in the camp says something along the lines of "By the time we're done, there won't be an elf left in Skyrim." He doesn't say Thalmor, he says Elf. Judging by their treatment of the Argonians, Khajiit and Dark Elves, I've started to assume they're all racists and a long term independent government in Skyrim would end in the loss of the livelihood and homes of thousands or worse.

Fight for your homeland, sure, just don't go about it in the most dikeish way possible.

Well I tried logic but that completely failed to register with you elf lovers.

The first person to get frustrated in an argument/debate is always the loser.

I'll take that as secession.



Based on what evidence or conjecture?


Khajiit? Ignorance. Just about everyone thinks they're [censored] - even Imperials - because the majority of their renown comes from highwaymen. Compound this with that Khajiit were the second race to join the Aldmeri Dominion.

Argonians? They're mammals, but you can only tell because they have briasts. These things are extremely alien and alien things are hard to relate to. Furthermore they look like Dragons. Compound this with that Dunmer had enslaved them. I understand why the proud Nord people only see them as a beast race.

Imperials? Duh.

Bretons/Reachmen: They want Nord land and no matter how you slice it, it is nord land. Nords were the first humans down from Atmorra and they haven't really moved since.

Redguards: I haven't seen any negative opinion of redguards unless you count the mercenary warband and they were turned away because they were a warband - not because of their race.

Orcs: I haven't seen Orcs treated poorly either.

Bosmer: As a personal shortcoming, I have a hard time telling them apart from dunmer in Skyrim so I can't really comment on this one.

Altmer: Boy howdy, I wonder.

That's like saying the Holocaust wouldn't have happened, had everyone supported Hitler. You cannot deny that the Stormcloaks are fascists.