NORDS ARISE !! Rise up and take back our homeland. Stain the snow red with the blood of the filth.

Seriously though, you're acting as though it's just Nords who are racist.. Look at the racial tension between Khajiit and Argonians in Leyawiin etc. etc. Racial tension exists wherever races live side by side. The Stormcloak cause itself is not racist, they just want Skyrim to rule itself. Dependency breeds weak people, it's bad for the mindset of Nords.

No the first person to get frustrated is the one who puts forward an excellent argument only for it to be blatantly ignored by a ignorant elf loving [censored]. Go and [censored] an elf. Scaly piece of [censored].

I was wondering when someone would complete Godwin's Law.

Hitler can't be related to Ulfric as Ulfric isn't preaching about Dunmer being the devil, he isn't going out of his way to kill them, and he isn't rounding them up in camps. The dunmer are there because they want - or need - to be. I have a feeling Ulfric would prefer they left.

Yes you can.. They aren't fascist. There's nothing fascist about their movement, they simply desire to rule themselves. Wether individual Nords within the Stormcloak faction are racist is irrelevant, like I said there's plenty of racists in the Imperial faction.~


Also LET'S keep real world examples out of this, things tend to get very ugly when that happens and usually just ends in the thread being locked.

There's racists everywhere but the Imperials aren't actively oppressing the other races.

If you want to, then by all means.



I assume the Dunmer moved to Skyrim/Windhelm before this rebellion business correct? The Dunmer never mentioned the Nords EVER treating them well or even decently, and the Nords have a history of bigotry against Elves. And considering how Ulfric is like?

I'd say thats enough to make a reasonable assumption.



Ignoring the fact that they totally owned the Dunmer when they had the opportunity, and the fact that they're the only race who drove back the Daedra during the Oblivion crisis with relative ease(Forcing THEM to close the Oblivion Gates). I don't see how the Nords can see them as "Just" a Beast Race.


That's why I added a "maybe".



Here's a hint. One is grey with red eyes. The other isn't.



Because every Breton is a Reachman correct? Plus I think they just don't like them because they practice magic, and are half elven. Pretty crappy reasons right there.


Still not a good excuse to treat every member of those species like crap.


That actually sounds like a nice idea. I think I will.

The player is nearly executed, regardless of race, for crossing the border.

To be fair, the player is a victim of the circumstance of being caught with the leader of the rebellion and having a really [censored]y Guard Captain.

Which means they don't play favorites, it's not a form of racism. Rather they make a judgement hastily and unfairly.

That just means the Empire doesn't discriminate.

Red Mountain exploded in 4e 5. The Great War initiated in 4e 98. Even still, they don't mention anything about when they first came to Skyrim. They understandably seem to focus on the present.

Ignorance, I suppose, but understandable ignorance. Black Marsh is a ways off of Skyrim's jagged peaks.

I'm color blind and they're the same height.


You're aware that Reachmen are the children of nordsand bretons who mated, yes? And Yeah, I imagine the magic casting is a reason not to like neither Reachmen nor Bretons.



Opinion.

Morrowind is not that far from Skyrim(They're literally neighbors). I don't think it would take them too long to make it to Skyrim. Especially with Azura's help.


Fair enough.


Then I apologize. Also the Dunmer have more pronounced brows if that helps.


I was not.


Their loss. Magic is pretty awesome.

Which is exactly why I think the empire has better chance on beating the thalmor the stormcloaks despise magic and thus know nothing about it. While the Thalmor are magic oriented faction. How can you fight something that you know nothing about?

There's also the fact that Magic users would own Non-Magic users in a War/Battle.

Got your stomach sliced open? No problem! Here's a healing spell just for that!

Caught a life threatening disease while on the field? No problem! I've got a spell for that too!

Trying to storm a base surrounded by water? No problem! Would you like me to cast Water Walking, Water Breathing, or Levitate on you?

The enemy out numbers your squad? No problem! Let me teach you a few Conjuration spells. A few Atronachs, and Dremora should even the odds.

Magic is awesome. The fact that Nords dislike it, is insane.

The magic the reachmen practice isn't really approved of by anyone. There's a lot of sacrifice to it.

everyones bad, [censored]... !!! [censored]!!!! and i dont trust nobody in skyrim.... [censored]!!! everyone in here is looking at me, [censored]!!! *scarpers*

That's right, but I wasn't talking about that, I was talking in their distrust of magic in general.

She seems nice enough on the surface, on the other hand every time you go into her shop she tries to convince you that you have "a case" of something even though you're perfectly healthy. I don't think she's out to kill anybody, but she's either a con artist or not a very canny healer.

Mages try to play god. Nothing illustrates that more than the skyrim mages quests.

Well, except for Azura's Star's quest anyway. That's probably a literal example of what I said.

But even if the nords choose not to use magic, it isn't much of a detriment. They conquered the world without it once before.

Scientists do too. Hating magic is like hating science.

Hah. I always tell people not to question magic, cause in doing so you turn it into science.

Not really, neither the Stormcloaks or imperials are technically bad or evil for that matter. Both have valid arguments and both sides act like total morons at times, but it just comes down to whose side has the points you agree with most in the end.

Neither are the Stormcloaks.. This is like talking to a brick wall.

Actually one of the most famous empresses was a dark elf! There have been bretons and nords. The Septim line was a complicated one, and just like in real life, there were distant relatives and wives / husbands of relatives that made claims to the throne. It's genetic, not necessarily racial. I agree with most of you that it's a moral gray area, though I've always loved the empire's political intrigue and style so I'll pick them anyday.

I'm aware of Empress Katariah, however non-Imperial Emperors/Empresses are few and far between. In fact the vast majority of people in power in the Imperial Empire are in fact Imperials.