The dawnguard questline allows you to become a VL?! : V

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:12 pm

This takes away the whole point of doing the vampire questline and also completely goes against the dawnguard faction you've joined!

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:51 pm

I agree, it's one of the most senseless things Bethesda's every done.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:07 pm

Wait, you can?! So I can get those awesome looking dogs, trolls, armor, crossbows, AND be a VL?! Where? How?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:30 am

I agree, it's one of the most senseless things Bethesda's every done.

Nope the most senseless is not giving us werewolves with lunar transformations! At least add them in and keep the Companions the way they are so people who do not want to have lunar transformations can stay the Companions strain.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:25 am

Wait, you can?! So I can get those awesome looking dogs, trolls, armor, crossbows, AND be a VL?! Where? How?

They say that at the end of the QL, Serana can turn you into one.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:15 am

wow that's a little messed up. I wouldnt do that though just for the sheer fact it makes no sense, Id rather be a werewolf and be in the dawnguard.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:09 pm

They say that at the end of the QL, Serana can turn you into one.

It's true.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:13 am

Yes you can but you cannot continue the Dawnguard quest's until you are cured of you affliction.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:53 am

Yes you can but you cannot continue the Dawnguard quest's until you are cured of you affliction.

No... We are talking about how after you complete the DG side of MQ Serana can still change you into a VL.

Read the thread before replying please.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:42 pm

I think it's quite BS. There is no proper balance at all on choosing sides, the Dawnguard is obviously the clear winner, and Bethesda was quite bias towards them, it's BLATANTLY obvious. If it wasn't for Roleplaying, there would be absolutely NO reason to choose the Vampire side. I'll just quote what I posted on another thread, listing the perks/benefits/rewards of each side:

You guys are giving terrible examples, stop being so hard on him. This truely is an outrage.

Vampire Side Perks:

1) Vampire Lord
2) Blood Potions (Useless because nobody attacks at Stage 4 anymore.)
3) Death Hounds (equivalent of Huskies)
4) Vampire Lord Artifacts (Amulet/Ring that boost your powers slightly as a VL. I'd say this is equivalent to the Dawnguard's Crossbow Upgrades.)
5) 1 Unique Restoration Spell

Dawnguard Side Perks:

1) Vampire Lord (That's right, they BOTH get it.)
2) Ability to Smith and Purchase every Crossbow and Bolt type...something the Vampires can't do even for regular Steel Bolts
3) Armored Trolls
4) Huskies (equivalent to Death Hounds)
5) 5 or so Followers
6) Crossbow Upgrades to Enhanced Cross, Dwarven Crossbow, Enhanced Dwarven Crossbow, Steel/Dwarven Bolts of Exploding Frost/Fire/Shock. (Equivalent to Vampire Lord upgrades, I'd say.)
7) Runed Shield and Warhammer
8) 3 Unique Restoration Spells

Hell, both sides even get to blot out the sun. So let's see here...it looks like Bethesda was quite biased towards the Dawnguard, or is it just my imagination?

So wait, we're not allowed to complain that Vampires don't have a practical way of obtaining Ammo for our non-upgraded Crossbows? By that logic, the Dawnguard shouldn't be able to turn into Vampire Lords or blot out the sun.....OH WAIT.

Yeah, it is quite messed up, indeed.

I'm not asking for Vampires to be able to upgrade their crossbows or bolts....but we should be able to, at the VERY LEAST, craft simple Steel Bolts. It is a new weapon for goodness sakes that was the one of the MAIN FLAGSHIP FEATURES of the DLC. Dawnguard side gets Vampire Lords without the artifact upgrades...so why can't Vampires be able to craft bolts without the upgrades? It's only fair.

Again, BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that Bethesda was very biased towards making the Dawnguard more desirable.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:29 pm

No... We are talking about how after you complete the DG side of MQ Serana can still change you into a VL.

Read the thread before replying please.

I did read the thread it says questline which could mean he is in the middle or end. I simply stated that you can't do quest's for them regardless if you ever become a vampire. Meaning sidequests like getting better xbow's or finding better dawnguard plans, they will always tell you to go to Isran then he will tell you to go get cured regardless of where you are in the story.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:23 am

Yes you can but you cannot continue the Dawnguard quest's until you are cured of you affliction.

Affliction? I take it you haven't seen how strong they are ha.

I just think it should be exclusive to the vampire questline, like crossbows (other than steel) and bolt crafting is to the dawnguard.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:16 am

I did read the thread it says questline which could mean he is in the middle or end. I simply stated that you can't do quest's for them regardless if you ever become a vampire. Meaning sidequests like getting better xbow's or finding better dawnguard plans, they will always tell you to go to Isran then he will tell you to go get cured regardless of where you are in the story.

Either way it's ridiculous lol we all agree there

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 4:16 pm

Affliction? I take it you haven't seen how strong they are ha.

I just think it should be exclusive to the vampire questline, like crossbows (other than steel) and bolt crafting is to the dawnguard.

Just a use of word's i like being a vampire but i agree you should not be able to transform regardless of the situation.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 11:49 am

Either way it's ridiculous lol we all agree there

I agree wholeheartedly like http://www.gamesas.com/user/739491-virtuosus/ said it's blatantly obvious the dawnguard are the more powerful.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:34 pm

I think it's quite BS. There is no proper balance at all on choosing sides, the Dawnguard is obviously the clear winner, and Bethesda was quite bias towards them, it's BLATANTLY obvious. If it wasn't for Roleplaying, there would be absolutely NO reason to choose the Vampire side. I'll just quote what I posted on another thread, listing the perks/benefits/rewards of each side:

Again, BLATANTLY OBVIOUS that Bethesda was very biased towards making the Dawnguard more desirable.

Would you mind PMing me the unique Restoration spells of both sides please?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:15 pm

Aren't the special artifacts like the crown that lets you choose another standing stone VL only?

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:49 am

Aren't the special artifacts like the crown that lets you choose another standing stone VL only?

No, that's a side quest having to do with The Aetherium Wars book, both sides have access to those.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:19 pm

I am now playing the Vampire side after finishing the Dawnguard side. spoilers of course:

I can honestly say that I only got the option to turn into a vampire before entering the Soul Cairn with Serana but maybe that is because she was able to cure herself from vampirism at the end of the quest.

Another perk to add to the vampire side is maybe having the 'cattle pen' in the castle to feed on.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:58 pm

I am now playing the Vampire side after finishing the Dawnguard side. spoilers of course:

I can honestly say th I only got the option to turn into a vampire before entering the Soul Cairn with Serana but maybe that is because she was able to cure herself from vampirism.

Another perk to add to the vampire side is maybe having the 'cattle pen' in the castle to feed on.

It's not really a perk, I almost didn't bother putting blood potions because feeding has no point anymore, and you can just as easily feed on a follower.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:47 pm

Well, from a roleplay perspective you are betraying the dawnguard by becoming a vampire. Serana as a follower is a reward you get either way, and that comes with her.

Is kinda weird they would allow that though.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:56 pm

Well, from a roleplay perspective you are betraying the dawnguard by becoming a vampire. Serana as a follower is a reward you get either way, and that comes with her.

Is kinda weird they would allow that though.

I did note that "If it wasn't for Roleplaying, there would be absolutely NO reason to choose the Vampire side." but I agree. It's not like I WON'T play on the Vampire side...I just think it was poorly executed on Bethesda's part, especially the whole Crossbows being DAWNGUARD ONLY. At the very least, Vamps should be able to make Steel Bolts, or steal schematics to make Steel Bolts, no upgrades...just regular steel bolts.

Everybody on the general forums prior to the beta was under the impression that crossbows and bolts wouldn't be faction exclusive, and that Vampire Lord and blotting out the sun WOULD be faction exclusive....funny how it was the other way around instead.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:20 pm

I agree, it's one of the most senseless things Bethesda's every done.

Can't have choices and consequences, man!
Someone out there would be really ticked if he found out he can't be a demonic vampire overlord that hunts vampires as his dayjob. And we can't have that!
What's that? Tell him to knock it off and stop being a [censored] idiot, and to have logical and reasonable character scenarios?! Nah, let's cut back on EVERYONE ELSE'S REALISM to accomidate him instead.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:08 pm

This thread is kind of a spoiler...

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:21 pm

Nope the most senseless is not giving us werewolves with lunar transformations! At least add them in and keep the Companions the way they are so people who do not want to have lunar transformations can stay the Companions strain.

More people would complain about lunar transformations than the way the companions have it set up.

I mean seriously.

Lunar transformation: Only being able to transform on the full moon(whenever that happens in game), and/or being forced to transform at random times. Which would be worse if you were in the middle of an important quest.

Verses

Companion Transformation: Being able to transform whenever you want without it being ridiculously inconvenient, or screwing up quests.