the empire is dead : V - Skyrim

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 4:17 pm

Orcs? in morrowind??!!??

No im just mentioning because orcs and dummer are both mer.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:50 pm

Are you serious all of his rants are about how skyrim is the nords land and how other races have no right to enter it's borders look how he treats the dunmer and argonians of windhelm and then tell me he plays nice with others oh and his constant bashing of imperials sure there are corrupt ones but when you catagorize a whole people that's just racist.

Please don't start me down this road. I have enough screenshots for it. :down:

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:46 am

Umm again...Morrowind isn't apart of the Fourth cyrodiilic empire, they are an independent country. They seceded from the empire after the septims fell, in fact i think they were one of the first provinces next to black marsh to secede.

Again, incorrect. Morrowind is still officially a part of the Empire.

Orcs? in morrowind??!!??

I don't see how Orcs were relevant in the post you quoted either, but that part is correct. There are Orcs in Morrowind though a huge minority and most Orcs love the Empire. The Empire protected the Orcs after the most recent sack of Orismer, and is the reason why Orcs are considered people at all.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:23 pm

No im just mentioning because orcs and dummer are both mer.

Oh ok I was just a little confused since I thought you meant Orismer in Morrowind

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:05 pm

Empires fall. Rome, Persia, etc. empires fall, and new ones rise. It's the circle of life. The Empire in TES is falling, but it's not dead yet.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:39 am

Are you serious all of his rants are about how skyrim is the nords land and how other races have no right to enter it's borders look how he treats the dunmer and argonians of windhelm and then tell me he plays nice with others oh and his constant bashing of imperials sure there are corrupt ones but when you catagorize a whole people that's just racist.

Please do go on. Ranting about the thalmor being in skyrim sure is intolerant.

He doesn't treat the dunmer at all. Because http://www.imperial-library.info/content/decree-monument.

Let it stand in honor of those who had the strength and spirit to accept Skyrim's Offer "untithed to any thane or hold, and self-governed, with free worship, with no compensation to Skyrim or the Empire except as writ in the Armistice of old wheresoever those might still apply, and henceforth let no Man or Mer say that the Sons and Daughters of Kyne are without mercy or honor."

We, the Jarls of Skyrim, hereby decree this site as monument to the struggle of those who fled their native home of Morrowind in the time following the Red Year.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:26 am

Are you serious all of his rants are about how skyrim is the nords land and how other races have no right to enter it's borders look how he treats the dunmer and argonians of windhelm and then tell me he plays nice with others oh and his constant bashing of imperials sure there are corrupt ones but when you catagorize a whole people that's just racist.

There are corrupt nords too, I.E. silver-bloods and black-briar. Silver-blood force their bretons workers to live in a place worst then the slums of Bravil, they use the forsworn king to use the forsworn to attack competitors and then tries to steal the mines from out under them, they use prisoners to mine the silver in Cidna mine and barely feed any of them. As for Black-briar she uses the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild to eliminate competition, workers who get out of hand or anyone who crosses her, though she rarely uses the DB unless she is dead serious and wants them to die.

Orcs? in morrowind??!!??

Actually its canon that there were bands of orcs tribes in the Velothi mountains of Morrowind.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:22 am

There are corrupt nords too, I.E. silver-bloods and black-briar. Silver-blood force their bretons workers to live in a place worst then the slums of Bravil, they use the forsworn king to use the forsworn to attack competitors and then tries to steal the mines from out under them, they use prisoners to mine the silver in Cidna mine and barely feed any of them. As for Black-briar she uses the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild to eliminate competition, workers who get out of hand or anyone who crosses her, though she rarely uses the DB unless she is dead serious and wants them to die.

Because no other races have at the very least two people who are jerks.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:02 am

Please do go on. Ranting about the thalmor being in skyrim sure is intolerant.

He doesn't treat the dunmer at all. Because they're not governed by him.

THEY LIVE IN A SLUM IN HIS CITY!!!!! He allows nord citizens to assault them wtf are you talking about not governed by him?!?!?!?!?!

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:38 pm

THEY LIVE IN A SLUM IN HIS CITY!!!!! He allows nord citizens to assault them wtf are you talking about not governed by him?!?!?!?!?!

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/decree-monument

Read it

Despite them not paying taxes or owing loyalty to him at all, he still let them live in his city.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 11:40 pm

There are corrupt nords too, I.E. silver-bloods and black-briar. Silver-blood force their bretons workers to live in a place worst then the slums of Bravil, they use the forsworn king to use the forsworn to attack competitors and then tries to steal the mines from out under them, they use prisoners to mine the silver in Cidna mine and barely feed any of them. As for Black-briar she uses the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves guild to eliminate competition, workers who get out of hand or anyone who crosses her, though she rarely uses the DB unless she is dead serious and wants them to die.

Actually its canon that there were bands of orcs tribes in the Velothi mountains of Morrowind.

I understand there is nord corruption too just they aren't the target here and their corruption puts Ulfric more in the wrong for criticizing imperials for it.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:04 pm

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/decree-monument

Read it

I read it and it's pretty and all but he still treats them like crap regardless of a document that says they are happily welcomed there.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 7:55 am

Because no other races have at the very least two people who are jerks.

Oh are you kidding? tons of races in Nirn have corrupt business owners and politicians, just look at House Hlaalu of Morrowind who almost had more corruption then the U.S. Senate.

I understand there is nord corruption too just they aren't the target here and their corruption puts Ulfric more in the wrong for criticizing imperials for it.

Well... Black-briar was an Imperial support while silver-bloods supported the stormcloaks.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:21 am

THEY LIVE IN A SLUM IN HIS CITY!!!!! He allows nord citizens to assault them wtf are you talking about not governed by him?!?!?!?!?!

They live tax free in an alley that only looks terrible because the dunmer put their filthy, ragged dunmer decorations up.

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/540677806137983568/63AD75954DB952886FB9C1F2482BA9D11E971C85/
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/540677806137992102/3BD5FDB7A28D3C27438A47B913E87E729A4FE2E7/

The worst treatment the Dunmer get in Windhelm, period, is Rolff yelling at them. That's it. That's all the widdle whiney babies have to put up with despite that they're squatting and contributing nothing to the city, save one single lone dunmer family that has taken up farming. His opinion? The dunmer should shut up and earn their place.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:06 pm

They live tax free in an alley that only looks terrible because the dunmer put their filthy, ragged dunmer decorations up.

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/540677806137983568/63AD75954DB952886FB9C1F2482BA9D11E971C85/
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/540677806137992102/3BD5FDB7A28D3C27438A47B913E87E729A4FE2E7/

The worst treatment the Dunmer get in Windhelm, period, is Rolff yelling at them. That's it. That's all the widdle whiney babies have to put up with despite that they're squatting and contributing nothing to the city, save one single lone dunmer family that has taken up farming. His opinion? The dunmer should shut up and earn their place.

Actually only one or two dunmer really complained, the rest just didn't care.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:50 pm

They live tax free in an alley that only looks terrible because the dunmer put their filthy, ragged dunmer decorations up.

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/540677806137983568/63AD75954DB952886FB9C1F2482BA9D11E971C85/
http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/540677806137992102/3BD5FDB7A28D3C27438A47B913E87E729A4FE2E7/

The worst treatment the Dunmer get in Windhelm, period, is Rolff yelling at them. That's it. That's all the widdle whiney babies have to put up with despite that they're squatting and contributing nothing to the city, save one single lone dunmer family that has taken up farming. His opinion? The dunmer should shut up and earn their place.

It's like slamming my head against a brick wall.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:41 pm

Read what the Dunmer says. It can't get clearer or plainer than that.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:57 am

I read it and it's pretty and all but he still treats them like crap regardless of a document that says they are happily welcomed there.

It doesn't say they're happily welcomed there. It says they're welcome in skyrim and won't owe fealty to anyone while they're there. The leader of windhelm allowed them entry into his city despite knowing this. If ulfric hated the Dunmer he'd kick them out. They're taking up rather valuable living space.(It's inside city walls. A luxury in medieval era)

Can you point to one instance where Ulfric actively does something to oppress the dunmer?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 5:04 pm

It doesn't say they're happily welcomed there. It says they're welcome in skyrim and won't owe fealty to anyone while they're there. The leader of windhelm allowed them entry into his city despite knowing this. If ulfric hated the Dunmer he'd kick them out. They're taking up rather valuable living space.(It's inside city walls. A luxury in medieval era)

Can you point to one instance where Ulfric actively does something to oppress the dunmer?

The leader of windhelm at the time wasn't Ulfric. P.S. when is this thread gonna get locked we way over the post limit.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:47 pm

It doesn't remotely matter if the leader at the time was Ulfric. Ulfric is leader now and he's still honoring his dead father's deal.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 3:52 pm

The leader of windhelm at the time wasn't Ulfric. P.S. when is this thread gonna get locked we way over the post limit.

When a mod decides to get off his lazy ass

just kidding don't ban me.

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 10:06 am

And no one cares if Solitude hates orcs...

http://steamcommunity.com/id/Cecilff2/screenshot/576707776914263343
http://steamcommunity.com/id/Cecilff2/screenshot/576707776914259900

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 1:12 pm

I, for one, am on the side of the Bretons, and Madanach is my king. Breton warriors and mages rival that of any other race, and if High Rock is still part of the empire, then so am I. Long live the empire

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 9:15 am

What if they side with the Aldmeri Dominion?

» Fri Jun 22, 2012 8:53 am

I, for one, am on the side of the Bretons, and Madanach is my king. Breton warriors and mages rival that of any other race, and if High Rock is still part of the empire, then so am I. Long live the empire

The bretons of High Rock hate the Forsworn. Just FYI.