I'm sorry I didn't answer the question first them empire should try diplomacy make things happy but as you stated this would be hard so an invasion may be key or as a third option an assault on the dominion would cause them to retract from hammerfell the send in legions to help the Redguards mop them up as they run this would gain much favor in hammerfell and is my personal favorite strategy remember the enemy of my enemy is my friend.

Out of fear that the Empire might actually succeed in gaining support from the Hammerfell armies and government.

You're impossible to talk to. When given objective points, you ignore them, imply you know how a faction thinks and will act, and then disregard whatever the poster you're quoting has said.

Same can be said to you but I know what I'm talking about through observations and in-game dialogue, most nords who don't care for the civil war consider the Stormcloaks to be nothing but hot-headed, this is stated several times by NPCs in several areas.

Read the Lore.

Hammerfell is its own sovereign Kingdom. They refused to accept the WGC, and thus seceded from the Empire while the Empire at the same time kicked Hammerfell from the empire for refusing the WGC.

*** This is all from the Official Lore/Cannon as well. ***

Hammerfell has a mighty distrust of the Empire right now. After leaving the Empire, the Redguards fought the Aldmeri Dominion lead by the Thalmor, to a stand still and forced all of the Aldmeri forces to leave Hammerfell.

The Redguards are not looking to "rejoin" the Empire at all, and hate the Empire almost as much as they hate the Thalmor. Unless Ulfric wins the Civil War and Skyrim secedes from the Empire, don't expect any help from Hammerfell against the Thalmor.

The redguards are back to doing their own thing now, and they are perfectly happy with that.

You two can keep arguing but I'm invading Valenwood and liberating them from their Altmeri oppressors (oh and Elswyr too).

That would be crazy, it would be more beneficial to deal with the Redguards as they sailed or marched down towards dominion territory then to force them in another war. Deal with the Empire, worry about the Redguards if they come, and not before. Because if they would do what you suggest then they would automatically be fighting the Redguards and they would be fighting on two fronts.


The second option could be considered a breach of the WGC and would leave Cyrodiil open. The third option is probably the best but incredibly risky, Talos help you if the Redguards decide not to join you or even worse decide to take advantage and take over white-gold.

Yes but no one said that the Redguards have to join the empire again, we've just been stating that they would be allying themselves with the Empire because they could see that it would be a good way to destroy the dominion which they hate more then the empire where as we have no actual evidence that what Ulfric says about attacking the Dominion is true, we just know he says it to encourage his troops.



Redguards wouldn't attack cyrodiil, they wouldn't be able to win if they did and it would just weaken them leaving an opening for the Dominion and though they hate the empire there no proof anywhere stating they hate the empire more then the Dominion.

Where in the game does it tell you, or hint to, Redguard battle plans?

No where, I'm not saying "The redguards joining the imperials if they decide to fight the dominion" is canon, I'm just saying its a POSSIBILITY that the Empire might try and get the Redguards to help them out.

True but everything seems to break the WGC these days and that's why I like option three because it forces the Dominion to take the defensive while hopefully appealing to Hammerfell that is why the last part where the empire helps push out the dominion in hammerfell is key to this working.

The dominion is already out of Hammerfell. So that will be impossible. You have to hope that the Redguards will be able to put apart their hatred of the Empire and their betrayel to fight another party they hate even more. It's possible but risky.


With the Empires legions all being tied up down south in a war this might be the perfect time for them. The only threat they would face is High Rock, but if the Empire is losing the second war then I would see the Bretons declaring independance too, just to save their own asses.

This is especially true if the Nords become independent.

Best way to explain it is the old saying "The enemy of my enemy is my friend"

The Empire is also their enemy. The Stormcloaks are the enemy of both of Hammerfell's enemies.

Wouldn't that make the dominion friends of the Redguards as well? Hammerfell isn't going to look at the Empire in a friendly manner right now.

I find it quite possible the redguards may not help but I don't see them assaulting cyrodiil because then the empire would stop fighting the dominion (or at least put less focus into it) and turn it's armies on conquering hammerfell.

I don't think the Empire can conquer Hammerfell when it's recouping its losses, holding guards back to defend from surprise Thalmor raids, and also raiding Skyrim at the same time.

Nevermind the loss of Morrowind.

But the stormcloaks are nothing but hot-heads and I highly doubt they'd even try to take on the empire in Cyrodiil nor do I think the redguards would join with the Stormcloaks to further weaken the empire, themselves and the nords while the Dominion sits back and laughs also if thats the case then why didn't Ulfric try to get the Redguards to help him?



No one has said the empire wants to reconquer Hammerfell, no where in this whole debate has that been said.

Yes but Ulfric is a tyrant who won't actually attack the dominion except for pushing the Thalmor (and all non-nords from skyrim gotta remember he doesn't play nice with others) all he'll do is watch the empire get abused and laugh if the Tamriel has any chance the empire must stay.

Practically nothing in this post is true. It's guess work. Also bionnicchimp mentioned the Empire trying to conquer Hammerfell.

Because Ulfric would realize that Hammerfell has no interest in going to war with the Empire. If the rebellion were to lose then Hammerfell would be in a war with an Empire that can block their sea's through the Illiac Bay invade from the West through High Rock, the north east through Skyrim and the South east through Cyrodiil. That would be to dangerous, more important the Redguards have nothing to gain from that civil war so why sacrifise their troops?



Oh I agree it's unlikely that Hammerfell will attack Cyrodiil but it's possible and it is a threat, so it increases the risk that the Empire takes even more.

I think he mentioned them sending in the legion to help FIGHT the Thalmor if they attacked Hammerfell, aiding a country with troops =/= conquering it.

If you read one of my posts though it said I saw this as one of three viable options though probably not the best.

I think a big reason Ulfric doesn't ask Hammerfell for help is because self reliance is a big theme with Ulfric. It's why he says he defeated Torygg; Torygg couldn't stand on his own.

"defeated" isn't the word I'd use for what he did, but still doesn't that further the point that he would try to attack the Dominion on his own?