im so happy their killing the used game market.

honestly, i have a good circle of friends and we can trade/borrow consoles with each other, so im in the clear, i think

but even if im not, its okay because hopefully gamestop will go out of business (sorrry if u like em or work there). i just hate their customer service, its either a) due to policy on their part or just old geezers who worked there and coincidently all gave me eattitude eveerytime im looking to buy a game.

and the district manager of ttyhe gamestop locations in my area... his video game retail career is over as soon as i hear their going out of business because im gonna let the otther retailers know about him, ima find some way to shut down his next opportunities. i hate gamestop. let this be a lesson to anyone in business, dont lie to your customers, because they could be like me, ill check to see if your lying, and his career is in video games so were bound to cross paths, and im gonna try and screw him over every chance i get, when i was by his biggest store in the mall and i see my friends in it i go in and pull them out and explain to ttghem why they shouldnt shop at one of his stores. i hate gamestop. ill never let it go , that he lied to me while on the job

i just want a sincere apology, but i doubt he knows how pissed i am

Reminds me of this one time I went to get a game from Gamestop, and the cashier asked me if I wanted to pre-order Halo: ODST. I told him no and he said "Not much of a gamer, are you?". Needless to say, I had to apply some willpower not to fire back. Not saying Gamestop employees are generally like that, but it was a pretty rude thing to say to a customer nonetheless.

i really hope they go outta business, gamestop svcks

I think this whole thing will end once the piracy scare is over. Which will be... never.

I really don't think this will save them profits which should be the number one thing companies look at. Like the previous comments in this thread, it will only make people think twice before buying a game. That will lead to fewer people buying a game which will lead to a loss in profit. I am guessing this will be an experiment that will fail in the end.

Yep,
once the gaming industry because a major commercial system. IMHO that is where the games themselves have lost any real quality. Now it is make the cheapest game possible for the highest price. Once the big corporates invaded it has become crap.

Retail companies will not go out of business they will have to adapt you still need to sell hardware to run the games like the console, controllers, add ons, etc such as HMV has done. If the companies such as Game and Gamestop is completely focused upon their current shadey business practices they won't just go under they deserve it and have for quite awhile and prior to now the publishers/developers cannot do anything about it NOW they can they can make more money because of the interwebs small steps will be best but if they can do it now they will.

Just because you have a CD doesn't make it any more reliable then a digital ticket you do not OWN the game you have a license to play it and if it is connected to a network as most games are now days especially online publishers/developers could stop supporting it if not completely close it like various games with MP servers have already done and still is even today. As I said before it is very easy to make a hard copy from a digital copy and not just one but several on any kind of media. Also if its on your Hard drive that is as reliable as a CD.




But already people are already tied into some network either it be XBL which already requires money to play content you already purchased (at the same price the competitor paid for it but no fee required) or PSN which is still required to play a game. To the majority I really doubt people will have issues especially if they slowly venture into it by starting Digital distribution networks on next gen them possibly going fully digital on the next next in 8-10 years. So again they want after release income everyone not just Microsft and Sony because MS already makes money from used games now for online anyways Sony not so much where as Publishers/developers do not see a penny from it unless they include Internet codes that are given to those who purchased the game new and even then game, gamestop, etc have been known to sell said codes with used games.

I'm not directing it at the developers, I bet most just want to make awesome game.

Its at all those who find ways to make a bit of extra money, by doing things like this.

Human right? You're kidding right? They own the software, you are purchasing the right to use it and agree to their terms of service by making the purchase.

Under your logic, if you buy a movie ticket you can record it if you feel like it. Right?

Sorry, they have every right to do it, they are going to do it, and you can have your little boycott or protest or whatever and no one will care, you'll just get left behind. Your loss.

Have to agree here. We've never actually owned the games we buy (At least, not for these last few generations), as we aren't the ones who made and copyrighted them. Sure, you do own stuff like furniture (if it's paid in full, of course), but you don't have to agree to a ToS in those cases, just pay a price. I think the problem is that this switch to digital media has made it widely known that ownership is something we've never had when it comes to video games, and many people are hesitant to accept this. We're allowed to have them and play them, for a price, but we cannot make copies and distribute them. If you wanted to make a replica of some clay pot you bought at the market, nobody's going to care, even if you waved it in front of the makers' faces.

In fact, I think it's mainly because of the possibility of mass production. Things like furniture and hardware are yours when bought. Why? Because it would be extremely difficult for the average consumer to create many copies of these products. But we're talking games here. Games are extremely easy to make copies of, especially when the age of the Compact Disc arrived. Game companies want to minimize the impact on their sales that this would cause, and thus it is illegal to do so. I assure you that if the aforementioned clay pot ever becomes easily replicated through a quick mechanical fashion, and this process is widely available to consumers, then they'd suddenly care if you waved your duplicates at them. This is why we aren't given full ownership rights for video games. We have the power to destroy the industry just by owning computers.

Just wanted to say that I personally agree with you.
Unfortunately people like us seem to be in the minority, at least in terms of visible presence. I can sort of understand it...as the generations start to grow up knowing little else, it becomes the era normal and there's "nothing wrong" with it. The risks and fears become average and nothing to be bothered about unless something huge happens to change both the mass the and political mind.

Just the way it goes.

You're basing this on anecdotal evidence that is based on your own experiences hanging out in Gamestop rather than data. That is indeed speculation.

Not one of the rumours of the next generation of consoles sounds good, imagine if the next xbox really does:

Forces you to be online constantly
Kills off used games
Has built in Kinect, instead of a more powerful console
DLC milking to the absolute maximum
Digital purchases only

Kill me now

Ever heard of New Coke? A company with the greatest marketing and product promotion the world has ever seen came up with this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke

Corporations may think they know what is going on, but remember, it is still some clown who is just as fallible as the rest of us who makes these decisions.

Warriors Orochi 3 is digital download only for PS3. It's still disk format for 360, but this is a clear sign that devs are heading into this direction.

This doesn't bother me since Im technically "retired" in gaming. WO3 is one of the newest game I bought in the last 3-4 years(the others are SR3 and FFXIII). Gaming has been heading in a direction I haven't liked, since the end of the PS2 era. I got out of there while it was still good.


This is going to hurt Gamestop/Eb though, since they get most of their sales from used games. Nobody likes paying 60 bucks for games that are going to be half a game, with DLC pending.

Of course. New Coke was terrible. What I'm saying is that they wouldn't make a decision like this without considering the possibility of losing sales over it. They must be basing it on some kind of sales data and market indicators, which -- fallible or not -- are likely to be a better basis for a decision than anecdotal evidence is. Also keep in mind that there are some that believe that New Coke was a flop on purpose in order to drive sales of the re-branded Coca Cola Classic.

Aside from that, why would game publishers care about how much business Gamestop does in used games? It's not the publishers that stand to lose sales if the used game market goes away except in cases where 1.) a person doesn't buy a new copy of a game because they can't afford to without trading in some used games or 2.) companies like Gamefly don't buy copies of games that they can't rent out. Unless the anolysts that work for the publishers are totally incompetent it's likely that they've assessed those risks and believe that they're acceptable. Both of those things probably represent a certain amount of lost new game sales to the publisher. You have to balance the equation.

I'm not saying that they couldn't be wrong, but implying that they have no idea what the repercussions might be is probably unrealistic.

Let's just hope that the price range of digital media isn't quite as steep as with the DVD/Blu-Ray stuff. If the next consoles do, in fact, have naught but digital purchases of games available, I'd like there to be numerous sales and such as seen on Steam. I'm starting to get used to the idea of digital media, but I'm still not too fond of how pricey the gaming hobby has gotten. We went through a jump from $50 to $60, which I thought was understandable. But now, thanks to DLC and the absolutely rotten exploitation of it, we have to pay up to $80 or more to get the "full" experience of some of these games, and that's just wrong.

I think that's lame

Oh well, I guess people will have more time to do more useful things, such as being motivated to make their own games and maybe come to the decision of "selling out" or starting a revolution of great gaming from the past

With your logic, that means we own nothing unless we created it ourselves. Seriously man... About 99% (If not 100%) of your items were created by someone else and you just bought it... Yet you have every right to do whatever you want with that item and even sell it. Does that mean having a Garage Sale will be 'piracy'? Does that mean selling that used car of yours will be 'piracy'? Do you know what you are saying? EVERYTHING was made by some sort of company and when we buy it, we should have to right to do whatever we want with it! With your logic, you are saying that any company can do whatever they want with items you have bought.. Like for example, you have a Ford Car then the Ford Company decided to take your car away because they want to make it so it can only be worked by you, thus making it impossible for you to sell it to anyone else.. Does this sound just like what they are doing with PS4 and 720? Does to me. Adding a little extra something so your games will only work with your profile and 720/PS4.

As for the whole ticket issue... When you buy a ticket, you only own that ticket. Nothing else. And you use that ticket to watch, and only watch, the movie at the time it said on that ticket. You can do whatever you want with the ticket since you paid for it.. Not with the movie since you didn't bought the movie.

Console gaming will always be out dated because you can't just go in and change their parts, pc gaming on the other hand will, and will keep on going but being limited by the console gaming.
Then there is (probably) DRM so things like game renting companies can take a serious toll (not including the big hit to the shins they already took).

Having digital distribution methods would for sure cause such sales and similar actions you see with steam, origin, etc because having sales on games means the same if not more money then you were going to get it on standard price. With a way of digital distribution all parties involved do get some source of revenue including both MS, Sony, Nintendo most likely as well as the game's publishers/developers. Not having sells would be a bad idea if a digital distribution system is introduced because the difference between digital and retail games purchase digital just means you sit on a couch and hit buy while retail especially used means you will have to go to a retailer store and possibly even more then one because it is not stocked.

Digital only distribution is not coming with the next generation of consoles. There simply isn't the infrastructure to support it yet. Manufacturers and publishers would lose out in a massive way if they were to try this now.

The crushing of the used game market is plausible, though... and it's awful. What is really needed is clear guidelines on consumer rights where shrink-wrap and click-wrap EULAs are concerened. There have been cases in the US and Europe where descisions have gone both ways and it's just generally confusing and frustrating. If this is going to become a major part of the industry then it needs regulating properly and fairly.

Digital only no, but more digital distribution in general yes. We already confirmed that with the Wii U and having origin involved and already both Sony and MS have their own networks but since they have no competition they are absurd.

Yeah, it's headed in that direction, definitely. I think what we might see is MS and Sony setting up their own 'Steam-like' distribution platforms and then maybe making the move to digital only when it's financially viable in the future.

Edit: What I mean by that is there's no way I can see either allowing a third-party to distribute software on their systems without it going through them first. So we'll probably see a major overhaul of both LIVE and PSN to a more 'Steam-like' model with the intent of replicating Valve's success in that area and hopefully (for them) building similar levels of consumer confidence by the time they are ready to go fully digital.

That's EXACTLY how it works with video games though. When you bought Skyrim, did you buy Skyrim? No. You bought the means to play Skyrim, or the rights to play Skyrim. Unless you dropped $50,000,000 for your Skyrim disc, you do not own Skyrim, Bethesda does, and they can say who can and cannot play their game if they want to. That is their right, it is THEIR product, not yours.

That makes no sense at all. When I buy a Game, like Skyrim, then I can do whatever I wish with that CD Copy that is legally right. The ONLY thing you are NOT allow to do with ANY item is copying/remaking it then selling the copy you've made. That is the ONLY thing you are NOT allow to do with items. Otherwise, you can do whatever you wish with that CD copy. You bought the game and you have the right to play it as long as you wish and you have the right to play it in anyway you wish. This goes for all other items as well!

With that stupid little logic of yours, you just said Ford have the right to say who can or cannot drive the Ford Car that they bought. That is what you saying and that sounds totally stupid and against human rights.