There's no getting through to you. P.22 of the manual END USER LICENSE AGREEMENT. Keyword license, that's all you bought.

"1. Limited license

2. Ownership, copyright"

It's all there, read it. You agreed to this contract when you bought Skyrim.

When I pay money, its mine.
I don't care who worked hours and hours on end, once I get that disc I own the game.
If some random guy walked up to you and took your shoes because he made them, your hardley just gonna' go "Well he made them fair is fair. Oh look a entire path of broken glass!"

3. Other restrictions:

You MAY NOT cause or permit the sale, disclosure, copying, renting, licensing, sublicensing, disseminationg, uploading, downloading, transmitting or otherwise distributing the product [...] BY ANY MEANS OR IN ANY FORM, without the prior written consent of the Licensor"


Explain that, you agreed to that.

It's a legal document you agreed to by purchasing the game, if you do not accept it you "4. Termination "shall immediately cease using the product and DESTROY the product".

I agreed to NOT copy Skyrim and do what is truly Illegal. Otherwise, I have every right to play my game offline in the way I wish to play it. Bethesda can't, and shouldn't, be able to go out and say that I can't play a game that I bought.

I'm sorry to say but this is true so Dash With It Bro!

Tell that to a lawyer. Read it yourself, YOU DO NOT HAVE THAT RIGHT, only Bethesda does. You agreed to it. End of story.

That's usually not how it works with software, though. Read the EULA on a game you bought recently. You own the disc, but you don't own the game...you just bought a license to use it.

As Jonahirt said, when you agree to most EULA's you've agreed to the terms. You can tell a judge 'til your face turns blue that it's not so, but it won't get you anywhere.

That pretty much saying Don't Copy the Game or you have to get rid of it. Copying the Game is illegal and that is what I said you ain't allow to do.

I know the terms of agreement. It is basicly "You are not allow to copy this product. If you do, then you must destroy this product." It never said anything about "You must listen to Bethesda when they tell you not to use this product."

Who did they make the game for them or us?? This can all get mucked up easily, I just believe after paying 60+ dollars I own something of this game that I bought, aside from what their eula says.


This eula that the game company makes doenst make it 100% foolproof legal, its just enough to scare most people, it does not mean it will hold up in court.

I don't believe I was given the opportunity to read the EULA before purchasing my copy of Skyrim, thereby rendering it invalid, at least in my book. This is a legal grey area and needs to be properly and fairly defined.

I did buy Skyrim, so to answer your question, yes I bought Skyrim. If I buy a copy of the disc I have a right to whatever I want with it, along as I don't make copies of it and sell it. I can let my friend borrow the game, I can throw it out the window I wanted to. The video game company decides the price of the disc I assume. Their job is to develop the game and then sell it to a majority.

When I purchase the game brand new for $60, I own that copy. I have the right to that Skyrim copy.

Maybe it says that I can't let someone borrow it by legal means. But come on. There would be so many little kids in jail.

You read user agreements?


Does it also state that I own the case that it's housed in? DO I LEGALLY OWN THE CASE!?!

What about the game manual? Are those just privileges?

It does state something to the effect that you do not own the game manual, it says all materials.

Lol. You own the paper the manual is printed on but not the intellectual rights to it's contents. You just licensed the right to read it!

I believe you've read/understand it wrong.

The EULA covers this ground. It says that if you do not agree to the EULA then you are to return the product for a full refund. Only by installing or using the software do you accept the terms of the EULA. Buying the game WASN'T your acceptance of the terms, so it matter not if you were able to read the EULA or not before purchase. Don't agree to it? Return the game for a refund.

They should put the agreement and laws in big red font on the cover of the game. Then the sales person should have them sign a contract. But they wouldn't do that because they would lose many customers.

Whatever you want to believe, feel free to read it yourself, but the fact is you do not own the software, you own a license to use the software. A simple solution would be if all console games had serial numbers and only the original owner could play the game. I mean when you buy Windows you buy a license to the software and only you have the license to that software, you aren't authorized to sell it to someone else. Video games are no different, and if game companies want to finally step in and say 'hey we've let you do this pre-owned crap long enough, but from here on we're going to be the only ones who sell our games' then so be it.

I'm looking forward to it, as I've said. Believe what you want, but I mean can you sell your Steam games? No. So is that causing some big outcry? No. It'll all be that way soon and the world will be better off for it. I'm done arguing about it, we'll just wait and see when it happens.

You own the case...but not the artwork depicted thereon.

As far as the EULA goes, I'd say read it and then interpret it however you want. In most cases you own the physical media but not the intellectual property written on it. Believe it or not, there is a distinction there.

If the world does it that way then the % of unemployment will rise big time.. There are so many stores that are made to sell 'used' stuff... That wont be a happy world...

retailers do not take back opened games

you dont get a chance to read it before you purchase it

i like the idea of signing that piece of paper before i purchase the game.

Borders book stores went out of business, did the world end? A lot of Best Buy stores are being shut down, same with FYE stores... It happens. Technology changes and new jobs open. Are there as many horse drawn carriage shops as there were before cars? No. Did the world end? No. It'll all be fine.

You are sadly mistaken. You don't own the game. You have paid for the license that gives you access to the game. Nothing more.

It reminds me of that South Park iPad episode, where Stan doesn't read the contract. Atleast Apple makes you check the box, and it counts as reading the contract.

What it comes down to is that if they (Sony) decided to give you a license key with your games that needed to be activated on PSN in order to play the game then it would essentially be the same situation you have with Steam: your license is tied to your account. That means that in order for a friend to play your copy of the game they must also have their own license key for the game (or use your account on their console) or the game would not run. The physical disc would no longer be relevant from a DRM perspective.