They want to destroy the foundations of the emprie, not man himself. It was Talos who invaded everyone and conquered them with force. If anything he is just as evil as the Thalmors.

The Empire is inconsequential, it is a means to a goal, not the goal itself.
You mean Tiber Septim, the Emperor. There is a difference between Tiber and Talos.
Talos is a conglomerate entity of at least three different people, Zurin, Tiber and Hjalti.

"
What appears to be an Altmeri commentary on Talos:[indent]
To kill Man is to reach Heaven, from where we came before the Doom Drum's iniquity. When we accomplish this, we can escape the mockery and long shame of the Material Prison.
To achieve this goal, we must:
1) Erase the Upstart Talos from the mythic. His presence fortifies the Wheel of the Convention, and binds our souls to this plane.
2) Remove Man not just from the world, but from the Pattern of Possibility, so that the very idea of them can be forgotten and thereby never again repeated.
3) With Talos and the Sons of Talos removed, the Dragon will become ours to unbind. The world of mortals will be over. The Dragon will uncoil his hold on the stagnancy of linear time and move as Free Serpent again, moving through the Aether without measure or burden, spilling time along the innumerable roads we once travelled. And with that we will regain the mantle of the imperishable spirit."[/indent]

(Source: Imperial Library)

What appears to be. There is still no proof that this was ever written by the Thalmors, and could be something the Imperials made up. Besides if the empire knew this is what the Thalmors really intended, why would they have sign the treaty in the first place? All this Thalmors are intending to end the world is just pure speculation and a speculation that favours the empire.

Edit: Also as I remember the dragon priests were a cult and tradition of the Ancient Nordic people. All this gibberish sounds more like it was wriiten in fuse with what the dragon cult believed and what the Thalmors are currently trying to do.

No lol its not something the Imperials made up.
Its a dev post printed before the release of Skyrim, to give some background lore.
The Impeials do not know this. Very few people in Tamriel do. We as players are privy to more information.

Its also not speculation. Pay close attention to the mages guild questline and what the Thalmor there has to say once he has got his hands on the Eye.

So remind me, what does he say?

im talking about the civil war, plus you kill alduin. so i highly doubt he is going to be back in dlc unless there is time travel involved.

But you don't absorb the soul of Alduin, so how do you know he is truly gone for good?

The Thalmor are totalitarians. They will never accept anyone but their own. They look down on men and they would wipe them off the face of Nirn, or enslave them, which ever serves them better. I wouldn't be surprised if they start building concentration camps and ghettos soon. Then round up all men, kill the weak and work the strong to death!

That's my opinion and I stand by that! LOL



Well said!! My Breton is looking forward to entering the Thalmor Embassy! (I always enjoy that part on my play throughs lol)

So what makes you think men treat elves any better?

Im not sure 100% on the words he uses so Ill paraphrase:
He says something like:

So he does. And you imply that he is going to use that to destroy the world. Ideology aside, they are purely a government who believes elves are superior being than humans. And I see no harm in this roleplaying as an elf. I mean how many rpgs are out there, that does the exact opposite, and I see no people calling their government evil.

They follow the Elven view of the world in which the Mundus is a prison, and they seek to escape that prison.
Unlike the Dwemer, who tried the exact same thing by turning their entire race into a god, they are trying to do so by uncreating the world itself.
They are not 'purely' a government. They are a sect much like the Mythic Dawn was, remnants of the last Aldmeri Dominion.
They rose to power through excellent strategy, deception and ruthless assasination.

Of course your character can choose to ally himself with the Thalmor and power to him.
But he should know that there is much more behind the Thalmor than simply 'a government'.
Unless you roleplay your character doesnt know all these things, of course.

In most cities (Oblivion and Skyrim), men and elves live and work peacefully side by side. How can you judge men in general? Because one man is blinded by his war mongering and fails to ignore the plight of the Dunmer in his city? There are other men who notice though and care. I cleaned out a bandit cave, because a man was concerned about it and because Dunmer had suffered at the hands of the bandit.

Plus, you are generalizing everything. I am specifically speaking about one faction, who would enslave even their own brethren (Bosmer and Dunmer) if it came down to it.

A sect is a government. What you might be trying to refer to is cult. So what eaxctly are the words in "Our father", Thy kingdom come on earth as it is in Heaven.


So show me one noble in a Human world who is an elf. I believe there are Human nobility within the elven society of Summerset Isle.

Oh ok, I did not know that.
So I suppose they were a cult until their rise to power and now they are the government you could say its a sect.

Im sorry, I dont understand your question. Could you explain what you mean by 'what are the words'?

Its not really a question, so don't worry about it.

There was a city in Oblivion ruled by a Dunmer family.
No, there are no human nobles who rule in Summerset nor have there ever been.
The daughter of Barenziah was a queen there, but after the Thalmor rose to power they eliminated everyone 'not of pure blood.' so the concensus is that she is either dead, in exile or locked up.
The Thalmor are even going after the Direnni, so they have a very narrow view of what it is to be Altmer.

I have not read anything in game that suggests that man wants to eliminate all of the other races of the planet so that he can reassert himself as the only true and valid life form. Lots of subjugation and being subjugated through history... lots of rebelling or bad leading... even some serious bigotry and hatred... nothing though that suggests that any one group of men is going to wipe out the rest of the planet. Even the dragons and their dragon cultists understood there is no ruling without people to rule... well... except Alduin and we all know personally what happens to him this time around.

There are Aldmer texts and beliefs all the way back that suggest this is precisely what they intend and will do in time. They're not condescending to us because they think they're smarter than us, folks... they're condescending to us because they know we're slated for extermination and they haven't been told by the collective that the time is right to start the cleansing.

As I read this thread, I'm more and more convinced that my original view of the Thalmor is not wrong, and is in fact, shared by 99% of the community. They are Elven Nazi's, and the rest of creation is their Jews (No offense intended towards the Jewish people, I'm just using this as a comparison). The explanation is as simple as that.

As far as how to deal with the Thalmor...

When you first arrive in the Dark Brotherhood, the Old Mage there talks about a spell that he assassinated a priest with. He says; "Came this close to turning that priest inside out. Damned messy." That's a spell I'd happily employ on the Thalmor. Again, and again, and again...

LOL Agreed! That's exactly what I want to do to every Thalmor I see!

Did I ever say Akatosh was Alduin? Pathurnaax even says that Aldiun claims to be firstborn of Akatosh. So therefore, NOT Akatosh. Akatosh is the god of time, he created all things and thus has hold over how they end.

No! I want a whole game rev based on that. TES VI or VII

Most Thalmor I've ever met are so darn uptight and stubborn. Those people don't deserve to tread the same soil as I.