The Thalmor deserve better

Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:20 pm

So who isn't in a war? Depends how you roleplay.I can understand why they want to stampede the worship of Tiber Septim know as Talos to the Nords, but what evidence are there from the writings of Thalmor that suggests the destruction of Tamriel and extinction of Human races. All presented race feel that their race is more superior to others. Thalmor is a little more obvious because they have the bragging rights as the current most dominant government.
They're psychos in peace too. The Thalmor slaughter there own kind over issues of race over issues of racial purity.
"They slaughtered any who were not "of the blood of the Aldmer".
Lathenil of Sunhold

See the in-game book series The Rising Threat an account of an Aldmer who tried to warn Tamriel of the threat the Thalmor posed.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:03 am

They're psychos in peace too. The Thalmor slaughter there own kind over issues of race over issues of racial purity.
"They slaughtered any who were not "of the blood of the http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Aldmer".
Lathenil of http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sunhold

Well contradictory to your statament, it's funny how the game presents a romance between a High Elf and a Redguard. Calcelmo & Kaleen.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:01 pm

Well contradictory to your statament, it's funny how the game presents a romance between a High Elf and a Redguard. Calcelmo & Kaleen.
Calcelmo isn't Thalmor!
Your confusing a race with a fascist government. The Thalmor are the ruling government of the http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Aldmeri_Dominion.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:01 pm

So who isn't in a war? Depens how you roleplay.I can understand why they want to stampede the worship of Tiber Septim know as Talos to the Nords, but what evidence are there from the writings of Thalmor that suggests the destruction of Tamriel and extinction of Human races. All presented race feel that their race is more superior to others. Thalmor is a little more obvious because they have the bragging rights as the current most dominant government.

As I posted earlier:

The whole Thalmor belief is that they can regain godhood by destroying Nirn. In their lore, Auri-El, their version of Akatosh, created the Altmer in the heavens to live among the gods. But in "his time of great weakness", he was forced by the other divines to cast the Altmer out into Nirn to live among men. They believe the only way to get back is to destroy Nirn and all living in it.

Look on any Elder Scrolls lore source and prove me wrong.

And as for dominant government, they only have hold over Skyrim [unless the Player fought for the Stormcloaks], Cyrodiil, Valenwood and Summerset Isle. Morrowind belongs to the Argonians as well as Black Marsh, Hammerfell seceded and the Kajhiit want no part in the war. Currently, the Sload of Thras have had magical dominion over the Thalmor for centuries. What's more, the only reason why the Dragonborn has come is because he is a Shezzarine, a manifestation of Shor. Shor from time to time sends a Shezzarine into Nirn to change something he doesn't like. Other Shezzarines include notable characters like Ysgramor, Pelinal Whitestrake [who also brought the last Altmer dominion down], Wulfarth, and more recently the Champion of Cyrodiil and the Dovahkiin. The reason why the Thalmor outlawed the worship of Talos is because after Shor's material death, Tiber Septim ascended to godhood in his place [Shor making his residence now in Sovngarde, but still holds all his former power]. The appearance of a Dovahkiin proves the existance of the Shezzarine, and therefore the existance of Talos.

Shor wills it, the Thalmor have no power. Elder Scrolls VI is more than likely to be after a Stormcloak victory because an Empire victory makes playing Skyrim irrelevant [unless the Stormcloaks make another uprising, but I digress]. Thus meaning that the end of ES: VI will be the end of the Aldmeri Dominion. Speculation of course, but the logic is there.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:04 pm

Calcelmo isn't Thalmor!
Your confusing a race with a fascist government. The Thalmor are a group of Aldmer extremist who control the Aldmeri Dominion.

Well, if there's hope in a race, there's hope in a government.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 12:33 pm

Shor wills it, the Thalmor have no power. Elder Scrolls VI is more than likely to be after a Stormcloak victory because an Empire victory makes playing Skyrim irrelevant [unless the Stormcloaks make another uprising, but I digress]. Thus meaning that the end of ES: VI will be the end of the Aldmeri Dominion. Speculation of course, but the logic is there.

I doubt it. I can see for a Stormcloak Victory, but I reckon this means more trouble for the empire. Banning of Talos Worship might be overturned, but by all virtuos means this is just pure Idolism in theology. Just like Budhism is not truly considered a religion in the eys of theology as it involves worshiping of another human being.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:50 pm

I doubt it. I can see for a Stormcloak Victory, but I reckon this means more trouble for the empire.

An Empire victory would mean ES: VI would most likely be the Empire fighting the Thalmor. Saying their victory would make ES: V irrelevant was a mistake on my part, but the result is still the same. The Thalmor are the enemy who wants any non-aldmer dead. Therefore, the Elder Scrolls will indeed end with the destruction of the Thalmor.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:43 am

Well, if there's hope in a race, there's hope in a government.
Not when the government intentionally kills those who would offer hope.

The Thalmor wiped out members of there own kind for being impure. They'd certainly wouldn't tolerate the old coot for loving a redguard if they had a say in the matter. The hope for the government is a coup that wipes them out.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:39 pm

An Empire victory would mean ES: VI would most likely be the Empire fighting the Thalmor. Saying their victory would make ES: V irrelevant was a mistake on my part, but the result is still the same. The Thalmor are the enemy who wants any non-aldmer dead. Therefore, the Elder Scrolls will indeed end with the destruction of the Thalmor.

I say it will be another devine intervention as the main questline, but I guess it could play a side quest role, but I doubt the next TES will be set in Summerset.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 12:49 am

Not when the government intentionally kills those who would offer hope.

The Thalmor wiped out members of there own kind for being impure. They'd certainly wouldn't tolerate the old coot for loving a redguard if they had a say in the matter. The hope for the government is a coup that wipes them out.

They encourage, they don't force. Besides they are Altmer not Aldmer. Aldmer became extinct long time ago. Also Bretons are partly Aldmer as well and thats where they get their inherant magical abilities .
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 3:08 pm

The thalmor are stuck up C-bombs. Can't support them with that attitude

This all the way. The more the power an Altmer has the less sane he is. Telvanni were the perfect example of people with too much power, and no sanity.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 4:47 pm

I say it will be another devine intervention as the main questline, but I guess it could play a side quest role, but I doubt the next TES will be set in Summerset.

I never said Summerset. No matter the region, no matter what installment VI or VII or X it ends in, the Thalmor will be destroyed. Unless somehow they submit to the rule of another Empire for help against the Sload [highly doubtful due to their pigheaded arrogance], I see no other result.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:58 pm

I never said Summerset. No matter the region, no matter what installment VI or VII or X it ends in, the Thalmor will be destroyed. Unless somehow they submit to the rule of another Empire for help against the Sload [highly doubtful due to their pigheaded arrogance], I see no other result.

Well, that is your opinion.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:32 pm

Well, that is your opinion.

Find a source to support your claim then get back to me.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:17 pm

After what happened to end the Oblivion Crisis, I don't see how the Thalmor can think that Talos worship is wrong. They obviously have no moral right in that thinking are merely using the ban for political purposes.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:29 pm

They encourage, they don't force. Besides they are Altmer not Aldmer. Aldmer became extinct long time ago.
Where do you get they encourage? They purged the summerset isles of those they considerd impure or dissident. They consider themselves to be the blood of the Aldmer.

Also Bretons are partly Aldmer as well and thats where they get their inherant magical abilities .
Your point being? Not every Altmer meets the Thalmor standard for purity. Bretons would just be the top of the human dung heap. (assuming they aren't wiped out as there innate magic resistance makes them a threat.)
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:55 am

Find a source to support your claim then get back to me.

I could ask you the same. Even more you even mentioned in earlier post you were merely speculating.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 10:06 pm

I could ask you the same. Even more you even mentioned in earlier post you were merely speculating.

Speculation on the basis of future sequels. Take a trip around http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_Wiki and you'll find all the information I've already told you and much more.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:59 pm

Where do you get they encourage? They purged the summerset isles of those they considerd impure or dissident. They consider themselves to be the blood of the Aldmer.

You should read this.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Pocket_Guide_to_the_Empire,_3rd_Edition/Summerset

If they were wiping everyone out, they'd be no Altmers left.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 5:15 pm

Seeing as how I've failed to gain any support here, honestly answer this question.

Dragon attacks, who would you rather have at your back. The Empire, Stormcloaks or the Thalmor?

The dragon crisis is sorted by the dragonborn and I didn't need any prissy genocidal maniacs to help me. With friends like that, no one needs enemies anyway.

It's fine if you want to roleplay a Thalmor supporter, just don't try to convince anyone that there's any basis for it but sharing their view of singular Mer superiority and the destruction of the world. There isn't any other justification.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:15 pm

I honestly thought that this thread wound willingly die... I was wrong.

Here it is: They aren't fit to rule because they want everyone dead but themselves. Sure their great fighters, sure they know how to make a lot of political pomp and circumstance, and their armor is very, very pretty, but they're still murderous psychopaths.

You know, post-kaiser Germany thought the Nazis were cool too, and the SS were great fighters and Hitler made great speeches... but they're still evil, and they still want you dead.

You forgot to mention the nazis had very stylish uniforms.
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 3:08 am

I believe that the Thalmor have the right idea as far as ruling Tamriel goes. They have proven to be the most organized and powerful governing body in all of Tamriel. They brought the Empire down, and now almost everyone is forced to follow their orders. I believe that a strong and ruthless governing body would be most effective given the history of TES. I think that all of the city states should belong to the Thamlor.

I'm in the minority about who I support but I stand by it. Stand with us and prosper, stand against us and die.
Ah sweet Hubris. The bane of all Mer existence. :foodndrink:

Helped the Snow Elves devolve into Falmer.

Transformed the Chimer into Dunmer.

Blessed the Orsimer with their current unique cosmetic facelift and full body make over.

Cost the Ayleids their once prosperous kingdom and civilization.

Compromised the Dwemer's very existence---as they've yet to return from whatever immaginary plane they're currently vacationing in the known TES universe.

Reduced the Lucifer Proud Thalmor-----well only time will tell. You are truly in esteemed company my friend! :biggrin:
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 11:08 pm



Who doesn't? As I remeber you were being sent to headsman's axe with Ulfric for opposing the Imperials. I just call it brilliant strategy by the Thalmors. They're not a dominant race for nothing. Victory in a war involves a lot scheming and ploting. You think Winston Churchil played a huge part in WW2 because he was a natural born warrior. No it took brilliant schemes and plots to lead the allies to victory.

Dude. DUDE. You gotta get your facts straight.
1)You were going with the Stormcloaks to be executed because you were in the wrong place at the wrong time.
2) Churchill was a highly decorated army officer and veteran of multiple bloody campaigns before becoming the Prime Minister and that's why he was a brilliant strategist. BECAUSE he was a natural born warrior.

And my two cents: the Thalmor are a bunch of fascist, racist (specist?) dikeweeds that deserve every bit of steel and fire I give them!
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Post » Sun Jun 03, 2012 2:34 am

Hammerfell is now independent because of the Thalmors and so will Skyrim be from those wretched Imperialistic pigs who think their emperor is god.
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sorry... choking a little... am I confused or are you confused?

The Aldmeri Dominion demanded the lower half of Hammerfell and the Empire refused. The Great War began. Many men died. Five years later with their tails between their legs and millions of soldiers dead the Empire signed the White-Gold Concordant and gave Hammerfell to the Aldmeri Dominion and Hammerfell refused and continued the fight alone and with conscripted soldiers from other regions for five more years until they'd won their own independence.

The Redguards have only themselves to thank for their independence and there are many Thalmor who deserve to die for travesties commited in and around Hammerfell.

I was actually following this thread to see if anyone agreed with the gentleman who started it, out of morbid curiousity because there's always someone who sees or reads or understands something that I miss and sometimes I get to learn something.

Yay me... I learned that there are no real-world comparrisons for just how wrong the Aldmeri Dominion and specifically the Thalmor are.
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Post » Sat Jun 02, 2012 8:11 pm

I like to kill them, resurrect them as my thralls, and them use those thralls to kill more thalmor. Those horrible people all deserve slow and painful deaths as I slowly force my sword into them
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