[Karen anwyn Green]

The .44 magnum ammunition used in the real world in the Desert Eagle is the exact same .44 magnum ammunition used in the real world in my Super Blackhawk. The DE is a semi-automatic, and my Super Blackhawk is a single-action revolver.

There are both semi-automatics and revolvers that fire the .45 ACP (Automatic Colt Pistol) round, and both semi-autos and revolvers that fire the 9mm round. And http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2009/01/03/smith-and-wesson-model-310-night-guard-revolver-in-10mm-and-40-sw/ is a Smith & Wesson revolver that fires 10mm.

I think he's thinking about the fact that revolver rounds are rimmed so they sit in the cylinder better, whereas auto rounds are not.
That doesn't mean that rimmed rounds can't be used in an auto pistol, and vice versa. You just have to go about it a certain way(for example you must use what's called a moon clip for non-rimmed calibers in revolvers.) His mistake was in thinking that you cannot use rimmed rounds in an auto pistol ever, so they must make "special" versions of rimmed rounds for auto pistols in that caliber.

They do make "special" versions for revolvers, especially for the .45 you mentioned, as the standard .45ACP cartridges are very difficult to use without a moon clip, and can even be problematic with the moon clip. They make what's called "auto rim" ammunition, which basically just turns the .45 into a rimmed cartridge.

Now here's where it get's tricky, due to the tolerances of most .45 auto pistols, I don't think they'd be able to use auto rim ammo. However, your desert eagle .44 is specifically designed so that it can fire the rimmed .44 mag ammunition.


So in conclusion, he's sort of right. Generally, revolver ammo is rimmed and auto ammo is not. However, there are loopholes and workarounds, and as with anything mechanical, if you have the drive, the ingenuity, and a little piece of metal to work with, you can make anything work, even in a way it's not supposed to.

[Adrian Powers]

Game indeed, and I don't mind jockeying around with calibers there by any means.

But yeah, just had to throw that .44/.43 tidbit out for giggles, one of my favorite range toys being a Ruger Super Blackhawk in .44 Magnum and reloading for it, that whole ".44 caliber bullet, .429 diameter" thing amuses me to extremes. I'd say "Or maybe I'm just weird," but there's no maybe to it.

Or maybe you're just "refreshingly unique?" Here's one: Why is the 38 Special (now confimed to be in FONV) actually .357 in diameter? And will it confuse gun neophytes that you can shoot .38 Special in the seeminly smaller .357 revolvers?

[Ria dell]

Or maybe you're just "refreshingly unique?" Here's one: Why is the 38 Special (now confimed to be in FONV) actually .357 in diameter? And will it confuse gun neophytes that you can shoot .38 Special in the seeminly smaller .357 revolvers?

WHAT? I CANT SHOOT MY GUN WITH THIS BULLET? IT'S TOO BIG! MY REVOLVER WILL EXPLODE!

AND WHY IS THIS ROUND WEAKER! IT'S BIGGER THAN .357! IT EVEN SAYS "SPECIAL!"

All that's special about it is it svcks! This game svcks! I'm returning it.

*goes back to gamestop*
*can't return it*

NOOOO! FRIGGIN GAMESTOP!

[Tiff Clark]

Or maybe you're just "refreshingly unique?" Here's one: Why is the 38 Special (now confimed to be in FONV) actually .357 in diameter? And will it confuse gun neophytes that you can shoot .38 Special in the seeminly smaller .357 revolvers?

Similar to the whole .43/.44 issue...the .38 is the approximate diameter of the exposed portion of the bullet (forward of the case mouth) as used in the original loading for converted cap-and-ball revolvers with a roughly .374 cylindrical chamber. Just as with the .43 diameter ".44 Special/Magnum" when things changed, the old designation was kept to reduce confusion. ("Whaddya mean my revolver that's shot .38 Special for 10 years shoots .357 Special now?") Now, why the .44 is still .44 Special and .44 Magnum while the .38 suddenly went .38 Special/.357 Magnum...hehehe

As for confusing gun neophytes...well, considering I still get confused from time to time I'd say the neophytes will indeed have bouts of confusion as well.

[Mimi BC]

WHAT? I CANT SHOOT MY GUN WITH THIS BULLET? IT'S TOO BIG! MY REVOLVER WILL EXPLODE!

AND WHY IS THIS ROUND WEAKER! IT'S BIGGER THAN .357! IT EVEN SAYS "SPECIAL!"

All that's special about it is it svcks! This game svcks! I'm returning it.

*goes back to gamestop*
*can't return it*

NOOOO! FRIGGIN GAMESTOP!

Funny robot. But seriously, can you answer the trivia question? There's a cookie up for grabs here, and cookies are serious business.

because there is a difference between a pistol and a revolver cartridge, even of the same caliber (like say .44 magnum, wits you can both find in the semi-auto DE and a typical magnum revolver).

The first revolver I can think of that used a auto-pistol round was the S&W M1917. There might have been earlier ones, but that one jumps to mind quickest

A silenced .22 with a super deadly poison would actually be a pretty efficient weapon. Put a few rounds in someone's butt while sneaking, and then sneak away before they can find you.

Then watch as they keel over and die from the poison.

Now that's the kind of idea I like. OK you get the cookie. :cookie:

Similar to the whole .43/.44 issue...the .38 is the approximate diameter of the exposed portion of the bullet (forward of the case mouth) as used in the original loading for converted cap-and-ball revolvers with a roughly .374 cylindrical chamber. Just as with the .43 diameter ".44 Special/Magnum" when things changed, the old designation was kept to reduce confusion. ("Whaddya mean my revolver that's shot .38 Special for 10 years shoots .357 Special now?") Now, why the .44 is still .44 Special and .44 Magnum while the .38 suddenly went .38 Special/.357 Magnum...hehehe

As for confusing gun neophytes...well, considering I still get confused from time to time I'd say the neophytes will indeed have bouts of confusion as well.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elmer_Keith Also, It was the heeled bullet that made the .38 special a .357 diameter bullet. The .38 short had a heeled bullet that was .38 in a .38 case. When the switched to the .38 Special, they used the case diameter, .38, buta non-heeled bullet that fit inside the .357 inner diameter of the case.

[Lizbeth Ruiz]

The first revolver I can think of that used a auto-pistol round was the S&W M1917. There might have been earlier ones, but that one jumps to mind quickest

yeah I was a bit wrong, oh well not saying I wouldn′t mind a 10mm revolver, I was so disappointed the only low caliber revolver in Fallout 3 was a worthless peashooter .38


would be nice to se a revolver bellow the magnum calibers worth using.

[sunny lovett]

yeah I was a bit wrong, oh well not saying I wouldn′t mind a 10mm revolver, I was so disappointed the only low caliber revolver in Fallout 3 was a worthless peashooter .38


would be nice to se a revolver bellow the magnum calibers worth using.

.32 bro, .32


Also .46ACP I don't want a cookie. I'm a robot, I require fission batteries and lubricating oil. I'll especially be needing lubricating oil when I encounter Fisto the love-bot in new vegas, if you know what I mean.

[Susan]

yeah I was a bit wrong, oh well not saying I wouldn′t mind a 10mm revolver, I was so disappointed the only low caliber revolver in Fallout 3 was a worthless peashooter .38


would be nice to se a revolver bellow the magnum calibers worth using.

HEY! I love my .38.In all seriousness there's a .22 if that helps, or were you wanting the bigger end of smaller calibers.

[Emily Graham]

.32 bro, .32


Also .46ACP I don't want a cookie. I'm a robot, I require fission batteries and lubricating oil. I'll especially be needing lubricating oil when I encounter Fisto the love-bot in new vegas, if you know what I mean.

Ship: One case synthetic robot oil. Regular heavy weight.

[Spooky Angel]

HEY! I love my .38.In all seriousness there's a .22 if that helps.

eh...I wanted something more powerful...while still being more frequent then magnum rounds...not the opposite.

thus the whole wouldn′t mind a 10mm revolver thing.

[Rachell Katherine]

Ship: One case synthetic robot oil. Regular heavy weight.

Thank you kindly sir.

[Bonnie Clyde]

They do make "special" versions for revolvers, especially for the .45 you mentioned, as the standard .45ACP cartridges are very difficult to use without a moon clip, and can even be problematic with the moon clip. They make what's called "auto rim" ammunition, which basically just turns the .45 into a rimmed cartridge.

True, but my point was that it is indeed designated differently- same ballistics, but different name. .45 ACP will work in anything chambered for .45 ACP, while .45 Auto Rim (the rimmed "revolver" variant) works in revolvers chambered for .45 ACP and eliminates the need for half-moon clips but won't feed through an M1911 chambered for .45 ACP- the rim gets in the way of the action closing properly.

Now here's where it get's tricky, due to the tolerances of most .45 auto pistols, I don't think they'd be able to use auto rim ammo. However, your desert eagle .44 is specifically designed so that it can fire the rimmed .44 mag ammunition.

Correct- which also heads off into the territory occupied by the .44 AutoMag, which used cut-down .308/.30-06 cases to provide a .44 Magnum sized powder chamber in a case with the "rimless" design more conducive to semi-automatic operation and higher-capacity magazine stacking.

So in conclusion, he's sort of right. Generally, revolver ammo is rimmed and auto ammo is not. However, there are loopholes and workarounds, and as with anything mechanical, if you have the drive, the ingenuity, and a little piece of metal to work with, you can make anything work, even in a way it's not supposed to.

True, but the designation angle holds- the "workaround" ammo types are labeled as such- .45 Auto Rim, and so on.

[Eileen Müller]

*snip*

I agree with all of that, I was just saying the guy was working from some foundation of truth, he wasn't completely wrong.

Also, .44 automag is a pretty delicious round.

[maria Dwyer]

Also, .44 automag is a pretty delicious round.

You won't catch me saying otherwise...'course I'm also developing the hots for a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateba_Autorevolver, if only as an interesting oddity.

[Zach Hunter]

You won't catch me saying otherwise...'course I'm also developing the hots for a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mateba_Autorevolver, if only as an interesting oddity.

What an odd duck. I listed that in the "weapons you want in NV thread". Revovler with a semi-auto complex. Or is it semi-auto with a revolver complex? Just what the heck is it? There were a few other revovling semi-autos early on (I'll try to look them up) but this one, IIRC fires like a double action revolver for the first round, and then like a semi-auto after that. Odd duck indeed.

[lolly13]

What an odd duck. I listed that in the "weapons you want in NV thread". Revovler with a semi-auto complex. Or is it semi-auto with a revolver complex? Just what the heck is it? There were a few other revovling semi-autos early on (I'll try to look them up) but this one, IIRC fires like a double action revolver for the first round, and then like a semi-auto after that. Odd duck indeed.

well there is the Winchester Fosbery, a recoil based revolver often used by British pilots in air to air combat during WW1, it was even up again the colt 1911 when the American army was having one of those arms deals competitors between companies.

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSPIhHFtLX0

[phil walsh]

well there is the Winchester Fosbery, a recoil based revolver often used by British pilots in air to air combat during WW1, it was even up again the colt 1911 when the American army was having one of those arms deals competitors between companies.

edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HSPIhHFtLX0

Also the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardike_tround that used "trounds" sleeved rounds. Odd. And could be in NV. (yeah, right)

[Justin]

Also the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardike_tround that used "trounds" sleeved rounds. Odd. And could be in NV. (yeah, right)

urk looks ugly, I rather take the beauty of..well any revolver over that.

[Pat RiMsey]

Also the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dardike_tround that used "trounds" sleeved rounds. Odd. And could be in NV. (yeah, right)

Don't get me started on trounds...those always remind me of the HIVAP project (which I can't find squat for reference to online, only going from recollection of a '70s issue of some gun annual my uncle had)- experimental 8-barreled Gatling-style cannon, both uppermost and lowermost barrels fired simultaneously (2 feed mechanisms), powered by an aircraft starter motor firing trounds with 3 flechettes in each at a maximum cyclic rate of 30,000 rounds per minute. You heard me- thirty thousand rounds per minute. The author of the article was at a live test firing and said the weapon in action made a sound like tearing canvas...just a constant buzz until the ammo ran out, which happened (duuuh...) pretty darn quickly.

The article explained the use of plastic-cased trounds was an answer to jamming- the feed mechanism could actually shred a tround that entered sideways and continue to function rather than stopping.

[Laura Mclean]

Yuck... revolvers... that's the only weakness of my gun-nuttyness, if it's not some huge S&W M500, Anaconda, or Raging Bull, I'm just going to point my Glock 21 at it. :hubbahubba:

[Becky Palmer]

Yuck... revolvers... that's the only weakness of my gun-nuttyness, if it's not some huge S&W M500, Anaconda, or Raging Bull, I'm just going to point my Glock 21 at it. :hubbahubba:

bah have fun with your souless, mass produced toy gun.

I′m going over her with my 19th century revolver, lovingly hand crafted, every inch showing the love a craftman has for his work. Feel how every part moves with the accuracy of clockwork.

[Katy Hogben]

Don't get me started on trounds...those always remind me of the HIVAP project (which I can't find squat for reference to online, only going from recollection of a '70s issue of some gun annual my uncle had)- experimental 8-barreled Gatling-style cannon, both uppermost and lowermost barrels fired simultaneously (2 feed mechanisms), powered by an aircraft starter motor firing trounds with 3 flechettes in each at a maximum cyclic rate of 30,000 rounds per minute. You heard me- thirty thousand rounds per minute. The author of the article was at a live test firing and said the weapon in action made a sound like tearing canvas...just a constant buzz until the ammo ran out, which happened (duuuh...) pretty darn quickly.

The article explained the use of plastic-cased trounds was an answer to jamming- the feed mechanism could actually shred a tround that entered sideways and continue to function rather than stopping.

What? http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9853492&oh=216543? Dardike and TRW made it.

[Marine x]

TROUNDS!
I love the dardike, despite or perhaps because of how ugly it is.
THIS GUN:
Fires Triangular Cartridges!
Is a 20 Shot Revolver!
Can Be Loaded While Firing!
Comes With Two Barrel Sizes!
Can Be Converted To a Rifle!

All hail the tround!

[Nicole Elocin]

All hail the tround!

sounds like a kind of fish...like a cousin to the Trout

[An Lor]

What? http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9853492&oh=216543? Dardike and TRW made it.

Well, not quite that thing...I'm talking about the gatling-style system it was made for. Just spent a good half-hour digging, and the only photos I can find are that one and a couple others of the ammunition, and a few other anecdotal descriptions of the weapon itself.