But you cannot remove it, and even if there is a mod to do it, I wont use it, it completely destroy the reason of the DLC,

Dead money challenged you and made you take it slow. HH, I discovered almost all locations, it was way too short.

Some people like to rush all the way and just search for looting and cool stuff, sometimes I wonder if they even bother to aprecciate the landmark and story

Yes but it's a catch 22. Dead Money was longer. But it was a result of the collars. That isn't a content stand point. There weren't an over abundance of side quests waiting to be done. The collars destroyed the ability to do any meaningful exploration. I understand your point, but saying DM is longer when it's a result of the collars is kind of counter point to the actual story providing length. The collar isn't really story so much as restriction.

It's a matter of gameplay. Dead Money was designed with that sort of gameplay in mind. It was never meant to be rushed through.

The collars were a great way of assuring us that we take our time and think things through before we act and potentially blow our and our companions heads off. Dead Money obviously isn't the right DLC for everybody, some people just can't stand to take their time and think before they act.

BTW: You are aware that you were free to do any exploring after the quest was over that you missed out on previously? Me, I didn't have any problem exploring during the DLC...even while wearing that collar.

I haven't finished Honest hearts yet, but from what I've seen so far it was designed with a whole different style of gameplay in mind...and I intend on taking full advantage of it.

Yes, but for me the fun of exploring is doing it in place of story. The beauty of the Fallout series is that you are able to whatever you want when you want to do it. When a restriction is added to that(ie no exploration until after the main storyline is over) it impacts the overall experience. But as you said the game was designed for that particular style of game play. My point is that if you had the option of getting a DLC where an explosive prolongs it's length or getting a DLC that is the same length without something that forcibly alters your style of play to slow things down there's no question which of the two I would be getting. In other words, don't use a restricting device as a substitute for content.

im proper gutted, from the start of the dlc everyone i met was aggressive, soo i play as normal shooting everyone that shot at me, i explored like nearly 80% of all locations, whilst looking for any quests, coz i thought that it was MEANT to be like this, but it turns out ive wasted my whole last 2 hours searching everywhere! what a [censored] on! i cba to go "explore" everywhere again. hahah soooo am i supposed to talk to some guy after my team gets killed at the start or something??

After the bridge there is a White Leg up on the cliff, don't kill him, Follows-Chalk will kill him for you and then initiate dialogue.

ah okay cheers, I'm actually sure that they both fell off that cliff and died, but i thought they were running at me to kill me, so, i thought i was just lucky! haha
instead, ive been very bloody UNlucky.
It's annoyed me that much, that i have to explore everywhere again, that i probably wont even try it for a few days, possibly weeks once i get LA Noire on friday. even thought ive waited for New Vegas dlc for months now. ARGHH

i finally realised that something had to be wrong, when a NPC called Daniel attacked me, coz it wud be stupid to give a random cannonfodder NPC a name like Daniel haha

Lold. Good to see you guys are watching over us. The DLC is awesome btw tell your guys to keep it up.

What the flying [censored]? I downloaded The game cheated me! This is what happened: i got to Zion. I threw a 'nade, it bounced off a wall and it killed Jeb. The next objective was to get a map. i got the map. I left Zion. The DLC was over. The Hell?

Gotta say I was underwhelmed with this DLC. there werent even any what I would consider new enemies (That I know of) They used the Fallout 3 bear, and some new textured humans :/, oh wait they had a new gecko, but still. I played it slowly (exploring, setting up elaborate kills/traps, etc.) on purpose because I wanted to get my monies worth out of it but I still beat it around 5 hours. To me it seemed like it really lacked the spice (IMO) of DLCs in fallout 3 such as fighting alongside Liberty Prime in broken steel, the creepy tone of point lookut, or the sort of lesson on human greed in Dead Money(which by the way I would have really enjoyed if it werent for the speakers and collar thing). To me it felt like another smuck across an empty wasteland with little to do or see but help these tiny tribes settle their differences.

DLC was worth it just for the Survivalist's journal entires, IMO.

i dont think people play fallout for the landmarks or the "history", i know i play it because it gives an example of a nuclear attack on the usa and im a big fan of the nuclear/zombie survival.

edit: plus fallout has what 300 years of fictional history to it? (if its more or less dont crucify me ive only played 3 and nv)

I'm kind of getting mixed signals here. It was horrible... But it's a must have? It's horrible but you play Fallout for the storyline? I don't understand what your problems are. I mean, character development? There's plenty of character development. Joshua has a deep backstory that you can talk to him about. The two companions also have fairly deep backstories, along with their own companion quests. Heck, even the caravaneers have a fair bit of development for their role. And the survivalist? He has more character development than nearly any character in FO3, and he's been dead for two centuries!

Storyline? HH's story doesn't seem particularly bad to me? What is the problem you had with it?

...And yeah, everyone going hostile is a glitch, I guess. It didn't happen to me unless I stole from one of the tribes or shot at them by mistake.



I've got to admit this made me lol, considering that the only Fallout 3 DLC that actually featured exploring in any real sense was Point Lookout. Maybe Pitt too if you consider a scavenger hunt for iron bars to be exploring. But Broken Steel? No exploration there. All the quests have markers that lead you directly there and there are no new areas that aren't involved in the main questline. Anchorage? Zeta? Duuuuur.



Use movetoqt and you can complete every quest in five minutes! Clearly this means that every quest in both FO3 and NV and their respective DLCs is too short! Both games suxx0r!

Man, I don't know what it is about these boards, but standards of criticism are just terrible. Where are the people actually giving well-reasoned opinions with the justifications behind them? I am disappointed.

Its Fallout, I play it for the plot,setting and lore, whats the point of just looting, I have MMORPGS for that, but for Fallout?, aswell any other RPG in existence?, nope

And I said story not "history", it has 2 different meanings

Its Fallout, I play it for the plot,setting and lore, whats the point of just looting, I have MMORPGS for that, but for Fallout?, aswell any other RPG in existence?, nope

And I said story not "history", it has 2 different meanings

Sorry I'm not here to impress you. As I clearly said, it was my opinion. If you don't like it, don't agree with it. Opinions are like [censored]s chief. You can figure out the rest.

I agree somewhat. I feel that the story was great but without the fresh enemies that made past DLC's, it just didn't feel new. If I needed to get a somewhat similar (but worse) tommy gun, I'd get a mod considering the fact that I play on PC.

See, the nice thing about opinions is that they only really stand when someone can defend them. Can you defend your opinions against criticism? Would you like to try? :3

I've no gripe with the HH content, good story (so far, I haven't finished), nice environment (graphics seem a bit "console" though) and it's seems a big world.

But they're over priced, by the time I've bought all the DLCs, and I will, they will have cost more than the original game, which is ridiculous. Especially when there are mods of bigger scope.

yep pretty short

i loved fallout 3 you cant leave out radiation and destruction....the game is called fallout i think

They don't have to leave it out but it don't have to be so "in our face" all the time either.

well they left it out of honest hearts