Who is truly stronger? possible spoiler : V - Skyrim

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:39 pm

A good and fair PVP match would be if the player were limited to melee attacks only and no spamming allowed. It still only proves the player better rather than the creature though.

And just as fair would be to put spec atacks in to time recharge

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:44 pm

There are many fights in real life where you have to give you opponent a breather.

I think they call them rounds...

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:56 pm

There are many fights in real life where you have to give you opponent a breather.

You mean all that legal bocks?taek van do and so on matches? oh yeah, a realy good example. Thouse are inforced rules to give some people a chance. It prooves nothing. If me and you were to fight now in real life the only rules that would be no ball punching and no biting and no outside weapons. Those are the only rules that matter in a fair fight

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:44 am

You mean all that legal bocks?taek van do and so on matches? oh yeah, a realy good example. Thouse are inforced rules to give some people a chance. It prooves nothing. If me and you were to fight now in real life the only rules that would be no ball punching and no biting and no outside weapons. Those are the only rules that matter in a fair fight

No outside weapons? how about no weapons at all. Man only needs his fist to do damage.
Still the point stands, fair fights have to be fair, even illegal underground fights have rules.

And it is not always rounds, sometimes fighters have to be separated by the ref.

Now back to the topic.
For now, we can only rely on AI VL and AI WW as that can be done, PVP cannot unless they ever decide to add VLs and WWs to the online TES.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:57 pm

No outside weapons? how about no weapons at all. Man only needs his fist to do damage.
Still the point stands, fair fights have to be fair, even illegal underground fights have rules.

And it is not always rounds, sometimes fighters have to be separated by the ref.

Now back to the topic.
For now, we can only rely on AI VL and AI WW as that can be done, PVP cannot unless they ever decide to add VLs and WWs to the online TES.

once again. Too dumb,too smart.

Agreed about no weapons at all. Rounds?Ref? Don't give me this bull**** inforced by the goverment. The true way to fight is a school fight. Nothing but your own power and skills. No teachers, no ref's. Just the two of you. Once again it only has 3rules mentioned before.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:55 pm

This thread is still going? Lol you guys just won't quit :tongue:

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» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:41 am

This thread is still going? Lol you guys just won't quit :tongue:

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Doub't it'll stop. Just wait till the army of PS3 and PC fanvamps and wolf boys comes in about a month. We'll have 600+post in one of the topics and with more chaos and fighting

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:49 am

This thread is still going? Lol you guys just won't quit :tongue:

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This thread should of been closed at 200 like it is supposed to.

AI still stand as fair...the end. PC users won't get dawnguard yet so we will have to wait for some pc user to pit them together.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:14 am

VL cannot hot key its spells/powers how would you be able to switch between three spells and use each one before the werewolf was on you? Also It is incredibly easy to dodge spells like paralysis at over 50ft away. As I said before it takes a wolf 4.5 seconds to cover that distance in which time it would be impossible for the VL to switch between 3 spells and use them all.

Supernatural Reflexes.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 1:00 pm

Watch your tone pal, People want to know who would win a fight between the two, a fair fight where no cheap overused spamming tactics can be used. AI is more fairer than a player, werewolf players would no doubt use the running attack, the knockdown/ragdoll attack and they would spam it over and over.
Now if someone wants to go all out with the attacks they would need an opponent who could do so equally and sadly everyone only can fight AI. So to make it fair, AI has to fight AI because a player (no matter what species) would nearly always win.

Actually the other guy is right. There r no cheap tactics, unless they talk about abusing some glitch. Its not about being "fair" its about seeing who is stronger. If that means spamming a "cheap" ability that was included with the VL or WW, then so be it.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:41 pm

Vampiric Grip make the VL way better than the Lycan...even Giants get launched like dolls

They get launched like dolls by werewolves too...

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:54 pm

Useless? So tossing 2 away so that yu can beat the Lycan with your superior Claws 1 on 1 is useless?

Yea cuz that wouldnt happen. You'd grip 1 and get stun locked by the other two. And the VL's claws r NOT superior...

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:39 pm

I have played a max-perked Lycan travelling across Skyrim killing everything i encountered. The only thing that kicked my ass were giants and mammoths whom took almost no damage from my melees while i have gone on the same cross-country slaughters as a VL and stuck to melee resulting in a far easier trip. They may be intended to be Mages but the VL excel at Warrior combat as well

U couldnt have if u couldnt beat a mammoth or giant with a fully perked WW. I think u r either making this up or r really bad as a WW. I kill legendary dragons on master and ur telling me u cant kill a couple mammoths and giants? WTF?

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:46 pm

If the ring was perfectly flat, vampires would have a difficult time. However, as I have said numerous times, werewolves are simply too offensive for a game like Skyrim. Sure, you can make the argument that werewolves are fast enough and do enough damage to one-shot vampire lords, but in a one-on-one battle, it would be impossible to regenerate health. Furthermore, vampiric grip isn't meant to be used for sustained periods. Grip, then shoot. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure it goes right through magic resist. And for general use? Vampire Lord is simply more versatile.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:38 am

If the ring was perfectly flat, vampires would have a difficult time. However, as I have said numerous times, werewolves are simply too offensive for a game like Skyrim. Sure, you can make the argument that werewolves are fast enough and do enough damage to one-shot vampire lords, but in a one-on-one battle, it would be impossible to regenerate health. Furthermore, vampiric grip isn't meant to be used for sustained periods. Grip, then shoot. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure it goes right through magic resist. And for general use? Vampire Lord is simply more versatile.

Versatile, sure, but that just means that WW's master their abilities faster. All those moves cost magicka, lots, and some need a cooldown. If that VL cant get through the WW's summons, which would be tough, since they attack what u attack, and would ignore the gargoyles leaving wasted magicka for the VL, then he's done. Stun locked and killed in 5 seconds. Less, if the VL is a mage VL, since theyd have even less health. VL's can absorb magicka, but how far will that take 'em when they'd probably have like 3 or 4 hundred health, and my claws do over a hundred damage WITHOUT criticals? Its quite possible the VL would get 1 or 2 hit, then dead if he's a mage.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:59 pm

If the ring was perfectly flat, vampires would have a difficult time. However, as I have said numerous times, werewolves are simply too offensive for a game like Skyrim. Sure, you can make the argument that werewolves are fast enough and do enough damage to one-shot vampire lords, but in a one-on-one battle, it would be impossible to regenerate health. Furthermore, vampiric grip isn't meant to be used for sustained periods. Grip, then shoot. Furthermore, I'm pretty sure it goes right through magic resist. And for general use? Vampire Lord is simply more versatile.

Counter measure to grip is summon of extra werewolfes who can not be distracted. His versality can give him an advantage but can also be his undoing.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:04 pm

Versatile, sure, but that just means that WW's master their abilities faster. All those moves cost magicka, lots, and some need a cooldown. If that VL cant get through the WW's summons, which would be tough, since they attack what u attack, and would ignore the gargoyles leaving wasted magicka for the VL, then he's done. Stun locked and killed in 5 seconds.

...I've NEVER run out of magicka as a vampire lord. Even in broad daylight. Also, what does mastering your powers have anything to do with it? Vampires can stunlock just as well as WWs.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 1:31 am

260+ posts, this is getting ridicules, where are the admins and moderators?

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:02 pm

@Drake Malice Giants are easy to kill with werewolfs, I did it all the time before dawnguard.

In my honest opinion I think the Vampire Lord would win mainly because they have so many get out of jail cards. For one a werewolf charge could be easily dodged with bat swarm ability, vampiric grip would also be useful if I can throw giants I can throw werewolves. Also there is the mist form that a vampire lord and use to regenerate his stats as well as summon gargoyles to aid and gargoyles > werewolves from the totem of the moon perk.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:09 pm

...I've NEVER run out of magicka as a vampire lord. Even in broad daylight. Also, what does mastering your powers have anything to do with it? Vampires can stunlock just as well as WWs.

That because your oponents don't dodge as often as WW would. All or most of your spells hit. So no wasted magica

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:08 pm

...I've NEVER run out of magicka as a vampire lord. Even in broad daylight. Also, what does mastering your powers have anything to do with it? Vampires can stunlock just as well as WWs.

I'm saying we'd be more effective with our abilities. And all VL's can do is grip and drop me, but u cant do that with two other WW's on u. Less abilities means less time wondering what we need to use in a P v P situation. And if ur a mage VL, of course u'd be less likely to run out of magicka, but that also means less health. Less health against a WW, means serious disadvantage. Couple hits and ur dead.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:07 pm

@Drake Malice Giants are easy to kill with werewolfs, I did it all the time before dawnguard.

In my honest opinion I think the Vampire Lord would win mainly because they have so many get out of jail cards. For one a werewolf charge could be easily dodged with bat swarm ability, vampiric grip would also be useful if I can throw giants I can throw werewolves. Also there is the mist form that a vampire lord and use to regenerate his stats as well as summon gargoyles to aid and gargoyles > werewolves from the totem of the moon perk.

Werewolf can't be distracted by gargoiles. VL leaves mist form and gets stuned. Vampiric grip is rended less usefull by your summons.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:51 pm

260+ posts, this is getting ridicules, where are the admins and moderators?

Perhaps they decided thats it's better to keep this one topic going then have another 10 appear within the next 24 hours like it happened before

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:24 pm

I'm saying we'd be more effective with our abilities. And all VL's can do is grip and drop me, but u cant do that with two other WW's on u.

Sure I can. Those two other werewolves are relatively weak compared to my character. I just keep using my drain life and they turn into a couple of health packs with claws. The only real threat is the werewolf that summoned them. In the end, it comes down to who can stunlock the other first. Finally, I'm pretty sure I can keep you down until you revert back to a more manageable size.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:37 am

@Drake Malice Giants are easy to kill with werewolfs, I did it all the time before dawnguard.

In my honest opinion I think the Vampire Lord would win mainly because they have so many get out of jail cards. For one a werewolf charge could be easily dodged with bat swarm ability, vampiric grip would also be useful if I can throw giants I can throw werewolves. Also there is the mist form that a vampire lord and use to regenerate his stats as well as summon gargoyles to aid and gargoyles > werewolves from the totem of the moon perk.

U cant dodge a WW running at u full speed with a slow hovering VL. Bat swarm only takes u so far, and needds recharging. V grip is countered by summoned WW's who swarm the VL and would ignore the gargoyles, and even if they didnt, the gargoyles svck ass, and would get owned by werewolves in a few swipes, so gargoyles < totem of the moon. As for mist, it is easy to track, so soon as u get out, ur stun locked from all the WW's on ur ass.