Who is truly stronger? possible spoiler : V - Skyrim

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 2:00 am

AI is more fairer than players, player controlled werewolves and vampires can cheat, use cheap tactics, spam knockdown moves or ragdoll attacks/running attacks. AI does not and can't do that, it is a true fight when it is AI as it relies on the natural AI moves of each species rather the strategic mind of a player can use their mind to do all sorts of things to help them.

If anyone wants to watch that fight, here is the link to the youtube video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lO0DLBDC0E

This is not a bar brawl where you just punch and take punches.

As one of VL supporter sayed. You also need to use your Brain! And no one has been speaking about utilizing any bugs/cheats. We're speaking pure battle with tactical elements beetween two smart oponents not a couple of idiots. Eather write something usefull or get out D:<

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:02 pm

As a vampire lord I'm gonna fly out over a lake and then I can't lose.

O_-'' have you read any of the posts before? No WW will be stupid enough to follow you into the water. WW will simply stay on shore avoiding your slow drain spells and hunting humans along the way. Then comes day, and you become a freaking push over.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:08 pm

This is not a bar brawl where you just punch and take punches.

As one of VL supporter sayed. You also need to use your Brain! And no one has been speaking about utilizing any bugs/cheats. We're speaking pure battle with tactical elements beetween two smart oponents not a couple of idiots. Eather write something usefull or get out D:<

Watch your tone pal, People want to know who would win a fight between the two, a fair fight where no cheap overused spamming tactics can be used. AI is more fairer than a player, werewolf players would no doubt use the running attack, the knockdown/ragdoll attack and they would spam it over and over.
Now if someone wants to go all out with the attacks they would need an opponent who could do so equally and sadly everyone only can fight AI. So to make it fair, AI has to fight AI because a player (no matter what species) would nearly always win.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:04 pm

O_-'' have you read any of the posts before? No WW will be stupid enough to follow you into the water. WW will simply stay on shore avoiding your slow drain spells and hunting humans along the way. Then comes day, and you become a freaking push over.

I never have to leave, I can wait till night again, and my magic will just regenerate, I can continually try to grip you and bring you into the water where you canT escape

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:57 pm

Anyway, this thread has gone past 200, it needs to close.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 6:09 pm

Watch your tone pal, People want to know who would win a fight between the two, a fair fight where no cheap overused spamming tactics can be used. AI is more fairer than a player, werewolf players would no doubt use the running attack, the knockdown/ragdoll attack and they would spam it over and over.
Now if someone wants to go all out with the attacks they would need an opponent who could do so equally and sadly everyone only can fight AI. So to make it fair, AI has to fight AI because a player (no matter what species) would nearly always win.

Once again. I'm preaty sure the pc vs ai domination was already astablished. The argument has long ago has gone into pvp. No one exept for VL suporters ever mentioned about cheating or spaming attacks. And people want to find out WHO IS MORE POWERFULL. That requires both power and skill. Skill that AI doesn't have. Got that ''pal''.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 5:57 pm

I never have to leave, I can wait till night again, and my magic will just regenerate, I can continually try to grip you and bring you into the water where you canT escape

Grip first, talk later. And I can eat all night and then stay without eating full day. All that would do would be stalling which would acomplish nothing. During day your magic doesn't regenerate

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 3:32 pm

Once again. I'm preaty sure the pc vs ai domination was already astablished. The argument has long ago has gone into pvp. No one exept for VL suporters ever mentioned about cheating or spaming attacks. And people want to find out WHO IS MORE POWERFULL. That requires both power and skill. Skill that AI doesn't have. Got that ''pal''.

Calm down, people want to know which species is superior, that requires a fair fight which is something that players can't do against an AI. Example: The same player who whooped a werewolf's ass with a vampire lord could easily do the same as a werewolf against a vampire lord ergo inconclusive outcome due to the skill of the player...not the creature. AI against AI would be fair.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:37 am

Calm down, people want to know which species is superior, that requires a fair fight which is something that players can't do against an AI. Example: The same player who whooped a werewolf's ass with a vampire lord could easily do the same as a werewolf against a vampire lord ergo inconclusive outcome due to the skill of the player...not the creature. AI against AI would be fair.

O_-''. AI loosing to player was astablished long ago,the talk has gone of into pvp if it were possible. Fair fight also requires skill which AI doesn't have. Also superior doesn't mean simply who has better attacks. But who knows how to use them also.in AI battle my char would be rosted by a dragon, are you telling that dovahkin is weaker then a dragon?

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:44 pm

Physically yeah but that is not the topic. pvp depends on the person, not the creature. AI would depend on the creature thus proving which creature is actually better in an AI fight., Players winning as either creature against the other only prove themselves as superior, not the creature.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:42 pm

Physically yeah but that is not the topic. pvp depend son the person, not the creature. AI would depend on the creature thus proving which creature is actually better in an AI fight., Players winning as either creature against the other only prove themselves as superior, not the creature.

Offcourse,and AI WW runing right into grip of AI VL prooves how much better this theory is.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 12:50 pm

Vampiric Grip make the VL way better than the Lycan...even Giants get launched like dolls

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:09 am

Offcourse,and AI WW runing right into grip of AI VL prooves how much better this theory is.

If that is the natural occurrence between a vampire lord and a werewolf then it is fair and you should not be biased.

Anyway this thread should have been closed at 200. No one should post anymore now as this due to close and I think the topic has run its course.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:55 pm

All the AI battles prooves which dumb creature has better perks that help it in a dumbed down battle.

No argument that Grip is powerfull,but against 3 WW's it's useless.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:28 am

As a vampire lord I'm gonna fly out over a lake and then I can't lose.

How do you expect to beat a werewolf in a race to the nearest lake? The original scenario was a fight in a flat area so that neither side has an environmental advantage.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 8:12 pm

If that is the natural occurrence between a vampire lord and a werewolf then it is fair and you should not be biased.

Anyway this thread should have been closed at 200. No one should post anymore now as this due to close and I think the topic has run its course.

It's fair and natural ocurence? for dumb down creature yes, for real no. Eat him my pets. *summons 2 werewolf's*

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:22 am

All the AI battles prooves which dumb creature has better perks that help it in a dumbed down battle.

No argument that Grip is powerfull,but against 3 WW's it's useless.

Useless? So tossing 2 away so that yu can beat the Lycan with your superior Claws 1 on 1 is useless?

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 10:37 pm

A pvp fight will not prove which monster is better, only the player. AI much more reliable for better outcome to only relying on creature's moves, now again I say, this thread has gone past 200, it needs to close.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 12:24 am

Useless? So tossing 2 away so that yu can beat the Lycan with your superior Claws 1 on 1 is useless?

And while you grip one the other two attack you and make you loose concetration you have on one of them. And don't make me laugh. Superior Claws? It was once again established that VL is more of the mage while WW is a Tank. Up and close he will tear any VL a new one.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:34 pm

And while you grip one the other two attack you and make you loose concetration you have on one of them. And don't make me laugh. Superior Claws? It was once again established that VL is more of the mage while WW is a Tank. Up and close he will tear any VL a new one.

You obviously havnt used the VL very much. Against a giant the Lycan's melee will do poorly while the VL's poison claws will rend them swiftly

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 9:36 pm

All the AI battles prooves which dumb creature has better perks that help it in a dumbed down battle.

No argument that Grip is powerfull,but against 3 WW's it's useless.

To add to this Ai creatures do not have all the abilities of a player character. For example Ai wolves cannot access the totems of Hircine while Ai VLs cannot use vampiric grip or corpse curse. In Pvp all abilities are available for both players making it a fairer example of which is better.

» Tue Nov 20, 2012 3:16 am

A pvp fight will not prove which monster is better, only the player. AI much more reliable for better outcome to only relying on creature's moves, now again I say, this thread has gone past 200, it needs to close.

And until it closes lets talk futher. Then neather AI nor PC is good for prooving. One is to dumb and the other is to smart.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 7:06 pm

You obviously havnt used the VL very much. Against a giant the Lycan's melee will do poorly while the VL's poison claws will rend them swiftly

And you obvously haven't played new Lycan then.

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 11:10 pm

And you obvously haven't played new Lycan then.

I have played a max-perked Lycan travelling across Skyrim killing everything i encountered. The only thing that kicked my ass were giants and mammoths whom took almost no damage from my melees while i have gone on the same cross-country slaughters as a VL and stuck to melee resulting in a far easier trip. They may be intended to be Mages but the VL excel at Warrior combat as well

» Mon Nov 19, 2012 4:18 pm

You obviously havnt used the VL very much. Against a giant the Lycan's melee will do poorly while the VL's poison claws will rend them swiftly

VL claws have no stagger effect on power attacks, they have low stamina regeneration. Werewolf claws do far more raw damage than a Vl, even with poison talons. They can also stagger lock the VL easily. When you add this with the two summoned werewolves behind it, the werewolf is a clear winner. Even if the VL summons two gargoyles they are incredibly weak compared with the werewolves.