He does now; he still refuses to change policy. The Altmer will take a while to recover their losses and put down rebellions in Valenwood and Alinor, and it is public knowledge that they intend to attack again regardless of what the emperor says or does (Ondolemar), yet he still does nothing.


They can. But under Titus Mede II, they won't.

It's weird how so many Americans think that the Stormcloaks are righteous rebels fighting for their freedom, rather than insurgents trying to bring down the Empire so that everyone can be conquered by the Thalmor. Iirc the United States didn't take so well to the Confederacy trying to secede, this is no different, albeit with a greater threat looming threatening to sweep aside both factions.

What's stopping them now? All the stormcloaks they are now killing would be perfectlly willing to help them. What exactly needs to happen before they start figthing the Thalmor?

The Empire has already been conquered by the Thalmor. The Stormcloaks are trying to break free from Thalmor, not Imperial, rule. Most of them are ex-Legion.

I would side with the Imperials since I'm sick and tire of all the storm cloak look a like town guards...

The US ARE the result of a secession. And became stronger than what they seceded from.

@Gallowglass: I agree with you..

Whats wrong with fighting for your freedom?
Thats what the stormcloaks do.

Right now, they can't. Not with that civil war going on in Skyrim. Shame you can't give the dossiers to General Tullius following an Imperial victory, he dislikes peace with the Thalmor as it is.

Alternatively they could be biding their time (much like the Thalmor themselves did). Unlike before, when almost nobody thought the Thalmor would actually invade, everybody now knows they're the enemy.

My eyes are now open. I commited the mistake of taking the part for the whole. My error was this: I rushed into a theory and discussion without knowing enough or everything about it. I can see now both sides clearly. This brings about two questions: What are the Imperial Supporters clinging to? If Skyrim acquires independency will it be able to defend itself?

I recognise the false and blind thoughts that I previously wrote. I vehemently apologise and ask one of you to correct me so I can understand this events.

Actually, seems I misremembered something too. Mede wasn't in command yet during red year. Just the rest of that stuff

http://www.imperial-library.info/content/fourth-era

Thats a pretty good brief overview of everything that happened since the start of fourth era. Do be aware there are spoilers in it.

The civil war is a direct result of their inactivity. Ulfric's popularity is based on his hardline anti-Thalmor stance and defence of human values. If the empire did their job - that is, took on an anti-Thalmor stance and defend human values - his support base would evaporate and the civil war problem would solve itself.

The Thalmor have civil wars of their own brewing, so they're in the exact same situation.

I've not heard of any civil wars. I've heard of purges in Valenwood, but not actual fighting.

The Stormcloak rebellion is just going to make it easier for the Dominion go gain ground when peace falls apart, which is exactly what the Thalmor intended. In the very least it's seeding strife between former allies.

Only because they had other people's lands to build their own empire in. And how strong do you think the US would have been if the Confederacy had broken away?

That's not true at all. The Empire hammered the Thalmor to a standstill but were in no shape to carry on the war, so needed to accept terms of peace to consolidate it's position and attack when it had regained it's strength. The idiot Stormcloaks are playing right into the hands of the Thalmor.

Seriously, anyone that supports the Stormcloaks hasn't got a clue about the whole "divide and conquer" policy being employed by the Thalmor, and if they had their way then the Thalmor would crush a weakened Empire, then annex Skyrim afterwards.
Yeah, the purges were just a removal of political dissidents and the cementing of Thalmor power, not the start of any potential rebellion in their lands. Quite the reverse actually.

This. So much this.

Also; Ulfric's a Thalmor agent and in their employ, ergo the Stormcloaks are [censored]es of the Thalmor.

Ulfric was captured and tortured by the thalmor during the great war.
Not actually what I would call an agent.
Ulfric hates the thalmor.

The empire isnt going to do a thing against them, but the stormcloaks will.

I wouldn't worry about that

That Great War the Empire had with the Thalmor must have been my imagination then.

And I'm sure the Stormcloaks will totally succeed where the concerted might of Skyrim, Hammerfell, Cyrodiil and High Rock only just managed to prevail

Incidentally since Ulfric is doing exactly what the Thalmor want him to, willingly or no, he's an agent of theirs and a traitor to Skyrim.

Who says they won't? Even Tullius and Rikke can see that the Thalmor are the real enemies. Tullius even recognizes that the civil war is exactly what the Thalmor want.

So your argument is that because Brunwulf doesn't support Ulfric he must be lying.

And using meta "is a scripted event" as an excuse is flimsy

Lets explain everything away with a scripted event.
the thalmor aren't evil; "Its just a scripted event!"

I didn't say he must be lying. Only that lying would be understandable. And I (and others) showed you he was untruthful, as the murders of all these Nords were NOT being investigated.

And you know full well it is the player who needs to catch the killer. And I pointed out Ulfric's Steward rewards you for catching the killer etc, etc. But all this doesn't seem to convince your suspicious mind.

Want further proof the guards aren't so racist they would not intervene in the killing of an altmer? You try killing that Altmer. Let us know how the guards react, will you?

That's about as hand waving as Ulfric lying would be understandable because he doesn't support the empire; or anyone else

Not enough time doesn't equal not being looked into; Wuunferth the Unliving certainly did some work on his own.



There you go with the meta again; just because the player "knows" doesn't mean the rest of the world is suppose to know magically. As if everyone achieved CHIM.

And what is a dunmer dragonborn killing that altmer suppose to prove on how the guards are reacting?

The stormcloaks and Ulfric brought the thalmor among themselves the empire while banning talos worship still allowed everyone to keep their talos shrines and worship talos in private it was only after Ulfric made such a big deal about it that thalmor started coming down hard on skyrim I forgot the NPC that told me this.

Alvor in Riverwood.

Not all, my friend. Skyrim has been part of the Empire for a long time, and only now does Ulfric make his play for power under the guise of "freedom". The Empire isn't in the best shape at the moment, 'tis true, but bad times come and go, the Empire has come back from the verge of collapse and past it before and it shall again. It's the job of it's citizenry to stand strong and continue to improve it for the war to come, as this treaty will not last. And when it ends, and Great War II begins, the Thalmor will taste cold steel and infernos of magic from the recovered forces of the Empire.

I'll end by making Andrew Jackson's toast in stating, "Our Union, it must be preserved!"

Their goal is to eliminate Talos worship in its entirety. They'd eventually have came down hard no matter who was in power.

They're trying to eliminate Lorkhan specificly to unmake the world, in some ways individual worship probably doesn't matter in the long run of their goals;
because its more likely they're going for one of the "towers"; And this Talos thing although related, serves better in weakening the region as they have planned so they can invade.

It seems so unlikely the thalmor would have to kill every man across all time and space to unhinge Lorkhan; than going for the towers?