yes there were spells that werent in all 3 games but hardly any spells were cut they just didnt add them in the next game

No, plenty were cut. See above. And thats not even ll of the cut ones.

I just named a few there are indeed several more fun and useful spells.

but my point is spells were never removed from the game they just werent added

but my point is spells were never removed from the game they just werent added

Levitation
Open Lock
Night Eye

and a bunch of others, and all this started with that stinking Oblivion.

"Oblivious" as some may call it;

Skyrim's really an indication that the designers were not up to the task of making "limited" magic unique and compatible in an open world. As many had hoped before release.

That is what they tried to lead us to believe now we have a spell system that cannot make it off the floor its so badly designed and lacks any depth. We need the old feature set applied to what is in Skyrim than magic would once again be amazing.

I do agree that there should be more spell effects but I think they did the right thing getting rid of spellmaking, but they didnt go all the way they need to make it so spells level with you that way the system will be much more dynamic and feel like magic

With spell making we could manipulate the magic however we wished. It has been practiced threw out the land for a very long time they even create spell at the College and you cannot.
It feels more like magic when you can scientifically and magically study the arcane arts and unravel the power of Aetherius.

but you cant really manipulate spells that much all that you can really control is the damage area and duration, wouldnt it be better if you just had spells that leveled up with you with different areas, duration, and ways of casting, like what Skyrim has, however these spells are not viable at every level, the system would be so much better if all the spells were the best that they could be for your level so flames could be used at level 1 and level 50

Oblivion is where the great dissection of the series began.

Mainly because it made lockpicking redundant.

I see are you trying to debate the ponit of the skill or the lack of options and how a lock and unlock spell could open up those options. The lockpicking skill is useless I can open up any chest with no perks. We do need more choices however and certain spells and spell creation gave us mages that.

Stop crying, you say that you want to specialize as a mage but start crying when you see something that your mage cant do, it is like calling a hairdresser to do a high precision coupling alignment on a steam turbine, unless he has skills outside of hairdressing odds are he wont be able to do it. Picking locks and pockets, disarming traps and slipping by the enemy undetected are what define the Theif skill set, if you start allowing mages to do everything the theif can do but better then why bother with the Theif skill set at all? If you want to play a pure mage then fine however dont expect your character to be able to do everything that the other archtypes can do but better, and unless you join the Theives Guild (which if you are a pure mage you wont do) you will not be forced into situations that you cant resolve, if you are talking about not being able to access the loot of a locked chest however such is the price you pay for having such a strict stance on character archtypes.

That being said I dont see how having a mage or warrior learn how to pick locks breaks character, there are plenty of reasons why these characters would learn how to pick a lock however if you imagination is limited to creating characters that can only stick to skills that relate to their current archtype then that is your problem.

Wow you completely missed the point there didnt you champ? Of course removing the open lock spell did not improve the lock picking skill however it did make it more valuable, why pick up the lock picking skill when you can have a magic school that does it better and more? Why play anything other than a mage when they can do everything the other archtypes do better?

But I dont understand what is so "svcky" about picking locks and how a magic spell that bypasses them without effort is any more fun to use?

Yes, I want the Lock Pick Spells back. The spells would have been much better than the skill tree because it is useless. Not to mention get it high enough and you pretty much have a Skeleton Key.

I agree more options is always better.

I mean really!??!! You decide to dumb down magic so much that its just boring! THERE is like NO spell effects now and its just super boring! and the college of winterhold.... thats pathetic.... Really Beth.... Really???

Edit: one member made a really good point, i forgot how it worked in OB, but I think he is right, but if he isnt then this would be a perfect system.

Except that you can open any lock with a lockpick but need to level up Alteration to unlock stronger locks.