They could just put a perk in the alteration tree, "Telekinetic Locksmith", apply alteration skill (and drain some amount of Magicka Per Second) when opening locks (and change the animation or something). While focused lockpicks would still be better cause of all the additional Lockpicking perks.

Because thats how magic works on Nirn. Mages and magic are the most powerful beings and has the most power, respectively, in the lore. How its always been. Then Beth said [censored] lore.

Its a must have for player choice and roleplaying.

I think there should be a chance for higher level to fail like what was in Morrowind.

You should only be limited by your magicka on what you can cast, five to ten spells a day in an ES game would not be fun and that is a huge restriction on a mage. Without the ability to cast spells a mage is dead.

Let me ask you this if you have two routes to get home one takes 20 minutes the other 30 minutes. Tomorrow they close a bunch of roads and you only have one route to get home the 30 minute route. Did that route become any faster now that they removed the 20 minute route or is it still the same 30 minute route?

To put it more simply, removing the open lock spell did nothing to make the open lock skill any better, it is still the same pile of svck it was before except this time you just don't have a spell option around it. So they kept something svcky, made somethings else svck and this is somehow the right choice due to balance?

You might want to rethink this balance issue a bit before you make it the go to excuse for making the game worse.

If bethesda had competent game designers instead of just a pile of awesome world designers and svcktasitc game designers they would have you know made open lock a better skill in order to make it better, and not made other things worse so it looked better in comparison while still actually svcking.

I agree, the lock picking skill is extremely easy to open, I can open a master lock with a skill of 10 to 15 and not have a single perk in that tree. Open lock would not take away anything from the game it would add choice in it. I would not have to have my mage pull out a lock pick: instead he could manipulate it without touching it.

The "balance" issue has restricted our choices because people chose to raise their power levels high then complain about it.

I agree we need open lock as well as lock.

Artificially making a useless skill seem important by taking away from others is hardly beneficial to gameplay.

And how many people putting perks into the lockpicking tree? Its a separate issue entirely.

Why they even bother removing spells is beyond me.

Impatience? Can't be bothered to learn?

Lockpicking requires a lot more dexterity than the game lets on. Warriors often don't have the patience or subtlety needed to be decent at picking locks (and knights and paladins will refuse it on principle because they would see it as a dishonorable skill), and magic users USED to have a spell to do it for them, so they had no reason to learn the skill.

Just because the skill exists does not mean I have to use it. And I would enjoy having some choice in the matter as to how I can bypass the padlock on that chest. Especially if I am alone and can't be bothered to change my sign to the Tower.

Since this is a roleplaying game, I give a damn how I play it. Being forced into situations I cannot resolve without breaking character annoys me, and Skyrim is full of those as-is.

Yes the spell was very useful for mages and we was not forced into learning anything with a physical object when we coould open the lock threw the manipulation of magic.

I agree on this part here, just because a skill is there does not mean you should get forced into a certain play style, some people might be ok with that others like you and myself are not: if I am a mage I should be able to open a lock with magic. The Tower is a greater power its supposed to be a gift from being born under that sign.

The Elder Scrolls games to me are about choice, and in Skyrim we are lacking a lot of choice even more so with the magic system with the loss of all of our older spells and most of all the heart and soul of the magic system spell creation.

I can hardly believe Bethesda eliminated role playing styles because a bunch of crybabies really devoted fans blather on about "balance" and "redundancy". I guarantee that TES VI will be the most dumbed down TES game we've seen, considering that a large percent of this forum is still obsessed with cutting and nerfing anything that doesn't fit into their action game preferences.

I think magic is pretty good in the game. I like to combine all the schools of magic + ritual stone + shouts. It's pretty entertaining. I mix things up as much as possible and even use the non-combat magic a lot.

Its not good compared to Morrowind or Oblivions magic system. The only thing I like about this new system is you can have a spell in each hand that would have made Morrowind and Oblivions system so much better.

I didn't play the other games. But I don't think the system itself (from an outsider perspective) is dumbed down. You have to look at this way.....there's probably like so many more spells gonna be given to us with the downloadable content. Be patient, dude.

I try to think up new strategies all the time.

I am from the past perspective so I have differing views.

Here is two links. Read threw some of the content.

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Magic

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Oblivion:Magic

Read threw what you can do and what they offer and you will see why we want options back.

We need the older spells and spell creation, I hope they are added in the first expansion.

That was a good one. Got any more jokes?

The current spell system at release is dumbed down compared to what Oblivion or Morrowind had at release. There's just no way one can argue against that. Perks are nice, but they are almost entirely small tweaks to spells rather than anything that changes gameplay. Further, before you could have the same effect and use it at higher levels (with a new version of the spell with higher values). In Skyrim that flames spell WILL become useless and you don't get to replace it with something that's effective and uses the same mechanics. It leads to fewer options at any given level regarding caster gameplay than what we had before. On top of that a lot of spell effects are gone that were in the release version of former games.

This is IGNORING spell creation, which adds a huge amount of depth.

So yeah, I wouldn't say the current magic system looks that great. I will say I love the "hands" combat system in general. It's really awesome and better than what Oblivion and Morrowind had. I find it a lot more compelling. That said, even that has its problems with the dual casting perks being...well, awful.

Fine, unlock spells for everyone. But only if they make it a sudoku minigame. A Mage should be able to do maths anyway.

Yes the magic is pretty that is about the only positive thing to say about it. I do like wielding a spell in each hand and the same spell in both hands. I wish we could have Morrowinds and Oblivions feature sets with the two handed spells in Skyrim.

This.

My roommate had only like 2-3 extra levels in Lockpicking and went to the Thieves' Guild and unlocked the Master chests simply because he had 100 Lockpicks and had time to kill.

What's the point of the skill tree?

How does this unlock spell thats not being implemented for ones percieved character of "pure" mage, also purely subjective, in anyway a fault of the game, other than to these with this percieved expectation?

Sounds like the only ones that are affected are stuck in past versions, and are frustrated that an entirely new game in Skyrim, is not living up to your imagination. This is only a problem with those specific users, and not the devs. You are why youre suffering.

Only on the developer forums will you find the nerd rage of leaving out a magical spell because they have formed an unequivocal imaginative character that cant be tainted.

perfect system would be to have skyrim type casting and morrowind spell chance failure and crafting.

Yes that would be great.

Not a joke. Your taste in humor is exceedingly bad if you mistook it for a joke.





(Yes I have my sarcasm meter turned all the way down)

You know, people ARE allowed to be mildly annoyed at things that would have been simple to include in the game. Don't get overly dramatic on us.

I'm sure part of it too is how they really cut out a number of things from the magic system, which causes this one aspect to get more attention. I don't think not having this one spell ruins the game or any character. I am sure most people feel the same way. Similarly, not having the spell is rather silly as well.

Its the lack of roleplay value from the removal of this spell and others.

Oh yes and spell creation.