I get this too. Don't know what it was about OB but I enjoyed it. I think I hyped myself up a bit too much for skyrim.

It's funny how 3 years ago I was talking about how Oblivion's content is so much worse and boring compared to Morrowind's, but now Skyrim makes it look like a brilliant RPG with loads of content, and makes Morrowind look even better.

Heh,Opinions:)
I never got that feel with oblivion,but its an amazing game,but i got that feel i used to get while playing morrowind while playing skyrim.

Good point.

I think for some it has to do with various changes in the mechanics of character, classes and levelling; or weapons types no longer available; or many other ways in which it's more or less different to their favourite TES game.

Whether this thing called a real TES game is a real thing at all or just a myth is moot.

And even if one were to posit it as a real thing would two posters here agree on its characteristics?

I doubt it.

I never got the feeling from Oblivion either; did get engrossed in Morrowind; have had loads of fun in Skyrim and have not even completed any of the main quests; just fecking around in the world.

Yes, events in hindsight can be so much rosier than they were at the time. Present time experience can dull in comparison.

Nah, I really enjoy Skyrim most of the time, but that doesn't mean I should not complain about the things I don't like and the whole HUD thing is hard to overlook since it permeates everything you do in the game. Honestly, I really don't play anything other than TES/Fallout games. I mean I have played a lot of other games, just last week I played Dark Souls for about three hours and the week before that I played Two Worlds Two for four hours, but neither of those games did anything for me.

I typically only play any other game for a few hours before getting bored with it because it is not a TES/Fallout game. There are no other games that deliver a TES type of experience. I have got a few thousand hours in TES/Fallout games and maybe a two hundred in all other video games combined.

That is part of why people get so worked up about TES games -- there is no substitute, so telling them "just don't play it if you don't like it" is tantamount to telling them to just stop playing video games. At least that is how it is for me.


Well, it is a forum for expressing opinion, and some folks who express venom really care about these games a lot and are expressing how much they care about them with intense language.


I am not sure whether there is any correlation there cause this is a forum and we are talking about a video game after all, so it is pretty hard to take anything said here too seriously. I would not assume that the venom spewers necessarily are any harder to live with IRL than anyone else.

Or the series could just be getting worse, y'know...

This is exactly right. If your favorite genre of video games is 'Elder Scrolls RPG' that means you have to wait five years between new installments, with no alternatives besides possibly the Fallout Series (which will at best have only one more installment). So, if you think the 'Elder Scrolls RPG' genre is going down the tubes it's only natural that you start to worry a little bit,

For me Skyrim is an improvement in almost every way; so for me the series is getting better.
I guess we all have different expectations and responses. But we probably wouldnt be here at all if the game didnt have something going for it.

True. To me, Skyrim represents a well-made Hollywood action movie. It's fluffy fun and all, but for depth, I look elsewhere. I prefer the design of classic RPGs. I am enjoying it, but not in the same way as past games. Which is all right I guess, it's just that the series used to represent something different to me.

Good points all

It's a shame you cant get a decent pc. You wouldnt need a state of the art machine. I have a dual core @ 2.4 with a GTX 560 and it runs very smooth. In other words a second hand dual core machine (not a laptop) that has a slot for a good graphics card (if it doesnt already have one) and you would be good to go; and be able to get into all the goodies that will be offered by the modding community....not to mention modded Oblivion...and Morrowind.

For me Skyrim is an improvement in a lot of ways but a step in the wrong direction in several other important ways. Of course it has something going for it (a lot actually), it would not have sold over 10 million copies if it had nothing going for it.

What classics do you like most?

ps: actually that's a good description...in many ways it is like being in a movie...that you dont quite direct, but you do have a lot of freedom and control all the same; or at least you have the sense of it....you can play it out in your own way...especially while you are just exploring and having random encounters.

Neverwinter Nights was my favorite game for quite a while. Also Baldur's Gate, Icewind Dale, Morrowind. And I'm currently on my fist playthrough of Daggerfall.

That would be nice. It is not a money thing for me, but rather the time commitment needed to learn more about PC's so I could confidently select the right one and get everything working the way I wanted it so I could play modded Oblivion/Morrowind/Skyrim from the couch with a controller in hand on the HDTV. I started putting Oblivion on my fiancee's computer. She has got a newer Apple with bootcamp (or is it bootstrap, I forget) that runs Oblivion just fine, but when I hooked it up to the TV, it looked "stretched." And the controller would not work right. I did some research on the UESP and tinkered with the ini file and got the controller working better, but still not as good as it should. I did some more research and found out that a program called Xpadder should help, but you need a paypal account for that and I don't have a paypal account anymore because it expired because I did not use it. And all of this was cutting into my playtime, and then Skyrim came out . . .so someday I may get back to trying to figure out how to play games on a PC. But it was all just one big headach for me the first time I tried to do it and I am not looking forward to having to reach for the aspirin again.

I have played all those games and enjoyed them all. Didnt finish them....yet....except Morrowind....one day!
NWN was a strange one. The campaign is very dull. The graphics awfully drab. The mechanics akward; I did play one player made story that was quite fun.

Finish Morrowind! Best main quest of the Elder Scrolls games.
Say what you will about NWN; I love that game. The construction kit was very easy to work with too. I quite enjoyed making my own dungeons to test my characters in.

I know what you mean. I never had a console; always pc; and I still find the whole modding thing is complex. In fact you can end up spending more time fiddling about with files and stuff than actually playing the game.
There are mods that radically alter Oblivion....total overhauls etc....new storylines and quests....even a completly new game....the name escapes me.
Same for Morrowind.
But like you say; you'd want a few boxes of happy pills nearby....and a very patient partner

I think that's where NWN shone....the construction set...also I believe there was a very active online community and persistent worlds etc

Skyrim is a gta game thats gives a few choices and is set in a death metal commune in Swedish mountains.

If based on your comment, Guild War is not an RPG, is a build playing game definitely.

But it is one of the successful RPG out there.

Skyrim is not doing a very good job on interaction part but they do have player input, they do have RPG elements. There are no black and white definition on RPG or FPS, there are only elements of previous classic game which help a game to define itself. But the trend is all game classification is getting blurry. FPS game adding RPG and Character developing elements, on the other hand they are almore like ARPG to me. RPG input more FPS elements, simply the attribute system makes it looks like a FPS game. That's the trend of gaming which successfully attracted both RPG / FPS sides of players.

How a person define game elements is personal preference, skyrim provide me a great experiences on RPG class build, this is one kind of RPG direction. Took away attribute and make perks, thats a more direct and understanding way on character advancement, not every player are classic RPGers, the character development itself is more important. How you play out your character. This is what TES is trying to give and most player is gladly accepting.

Skyrim is a great action adventure game, a decent TES game and a meh RPG. Its not really an RPG, its action adventure. Much emphasis was put on presentation (visuals, cinematic executions, dragon battles) but I feel like content was sacrificed for this. Radiant quests are an unacceptable cop-out. They are fun the first few times but I don't consider them real quests TBH. I find the shear lack of substance disturbing.

All of the faction questlines except the DB are unacceptably short. Especially the companions, you could complete it in one sitting easy. About the same for the College of Winterhold, quite feasible to complete that questline in one sitting.

I feel like MAJOR faction questlines should actually take time and considerable effort to complete. you should not be able to join and become arch-mage in a day. IMO the quests and game-content are where Skyrim falls short.

And of course I didn;t like the streamlining Why remove what was awesome (i.e. levitation, attributes/fortify attribute spells, spell-making).

It's because Morrowind was the greatest game of all time, and now they are making the games simpler. The new audience generation today just wants good graphics and DLC, has no care for good content or storyline. Morrowind had both. They have simplified everything in The Elder Scrolls, and now even a 4 year old could beat it. Too easy. It just isn't as fun as they used to be.

Lets talk about gun development, it sounds like game development.

At first, rifle, which is bolt action, then we have machine gun, which is a large heavy gun turret in WW1. Then someone made the machine gun concept into a smaller counter part, we have now sub machine gun. Rifle also developed into semi auto rifle. There we go combine SMG and rifle we have assault rifle in WW2. US government denied the great advantage of this smaller but high suppressive gun type and made the M14. That's a mistake and end up in Vietnam they replaced all M14 semi automatic rifle with automatic assault rifle M16. AR then became the trend, every country made or bought AR. But why are there still bolt action rifle out there? Because it fits the role being a casual hunting gun to professional sniper rifle! But a bolt action rifle can't fit all kind of situation so there is semi automatic sniper rifle which provide faster follow up shots and better suppressive fire power. AR can also equip sniper scope for longer range accurate suppressive fire. But when we talk about sniper rifle, bolt action is still the most effective mechanism, therefore some hardcoe sniper fans argued that only bolt action sniper rifle is true sniper rifle where semi automatic sniper rifle is just a marksman rifle. But the fact is a sniper rifle means a gun provide superior accurate fire power for a specific range.

So while the sniper fans claim only those rifle with high power high effective range are true sniper rifles, actually a semi automatic sniper rifle with smaller cal. with shorter effective range they are in fact a sniper rifle too because they do the job right in urban mission. What about assault rifle with sniper scope? Does it make an AR a sniper rifle? NOPE!

Classic RPG = bolt action sniper rifle / Skyrim (included FPS element) = semi automatic sniper rifle / COD (added RPG elements) = AR with scope.

Skyrim is great RPG or not, depend which kind of RPG you're expecting. For me, Skyrim is a great game and it is one of the best ARPG out there, but it is not a classic RPG.