stop moaning and try make a 1st person view mod yourself and calm down.

Well the fact is IF both werewolf and VL were first person person only you would have a LOT more complaints. So it seems bethesda catered to the larger group rather than both by just giving an option:(. Playing in first person as a werewolf in morrowind was the most fun I ever had, so I was quite saddened when I found out there was no first person view for them in skyrim. Based on that I didn't expect anything different for the VL.

yea i hate the 3rd person view. this kinda made me don't want to stay in vampire lord mode for too long (or actually i just don't use it).

For a game that was rushed, some how every time some one mentions Bloodlines I find myself reinstalling it and getting hooked on it all over again.
"Forced" third person isn't much of an issue. I play so many different game styles i just shrug, adapt, and keep playing. If you want to rage over someting, make it constructive and encurage them to fix actual problems. Like your dead thralls turning into useless lumps of meat when you change into your VL form or how Serana some how completely nerfs VL damage and abilities so much that they are almost utterly useless. The camera isn't broken, I don't have to fight with it to get around so I'd rather they spend time and money fixing ACTUAL problems.

I fail to see why people WOULDN'T complain, given the situation.

Forced 3rd person seems unneccesary, given that the rest of the game can be played in 1st person and there's no particular reason why 1st person as a Vampire Lord/werewolf should be impossible. There's also issues of not being able to interact with any world objects, open any menus (not even the map, unless I'm mistaken) and often not being able to fit through doorways and cave paths. All of these seem like very simple, basic features that should've been available, yet for whatever reason, aren't.

It's the most natural thing in the world to ask why.

Better gameplay, better story, better voice acting.
Ontopic: Yep, it svcks to have forced third person. Especially when I'm a werewolf in a dungeon.

I'm playing as a female vampire lord, and I've run into some doors in a few dungeons and caves I can't fit through. Maybe it's not as bad for the female vampire lord, though. I haven't run into the stair problem yet, but I guess we'll see.

Even my buddy didn't want to pay 25 € for this. It's bit sick price for so little content.

Just deal with it. You know, looking at all those whine threads popping out so often I bet Bethesda's just stopped reading them. You guys are making it really hard for them not to. Ever heard of "constructive criticism"?

Only half of it. The other half is [censored]ing about the [censored]ing, saying how everything is perfect, and, my favorite, "you're just not roleplaying"

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/

Look.

This is what you get in return for 25 €

■ Severe
- Cannot loot corpses of new actor types added by Dawnguard (possibly related to ASIS) http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21325563
- Harkon becomes stuck if gift is refused http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21327362
- Repeated CTD when approaching Castle Volkihar http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21328209
- Opening doors and using Unrelenting Force causes CTD http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21328990
- Frequent CTD and freezing after installing Dawnguard http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21330796 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21335028
- Cauldrons in Dimhollow cave do not light up, impossible to complete Serana quest http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21332200
- If started first, Dawnguard Elder Scroll quest breaks MQ Elder Scroll quest http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21332498
- Repeated CTD when approaching Riften after installing Dawnguard http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21332820
- Repeated CTD when approaching or fast traveling to Winterhold http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21334280

■ Medium
- Serana doesn't open Soul Cairn portal http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21324445 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21326115 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21326115 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21330422
- Animations not working for some enemies http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21325563
- "Prophet" Quest: Cannot convert Dexicon Evicus into a thrall http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21325988 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21326242 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21326784 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21327130 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21327565
- Drain Vitality shout uses words from Marked For Death http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21327411
- Crossbow animations don't work properly in third person http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21327958
- Missing meshes and textures including Castle Volkihar walls http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21328137
- PC not recognized as vampire / no vampire appearance (resolved for some by deleting PlayerVampireQuestScript.pex from Scripts folder) http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21325076 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21328530 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21330066 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21334248
- Vampiric Grip does not work http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21330422
- New Dawnguard crossbow and idle animations don't work http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21333355
- No follower dialogue command to "Follow Me" after instructing Serana to "Wait here" http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21334309

■ Minor
- NPCs become invisible in Castle Volkihar alchemy room http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21324487
- Werewolf finishing move animation delay http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21324555
- Disappearing meshes for new weapons and armor added by Dawnguard http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21325563 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21333355
- Cannot enter some rooms in Vampire Lord form, including areas related to Dawnguard quests http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21325988
- Serana attacks deal less damage to enemies if she becomes a follower http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21326214
- Dawnguard Steam Achievements not unlocking (possibly due to SKSE) http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21326609 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21334229
- Occasionally PC becomes naked when reverting from Vampire Lord form http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21326680
- Cannot purchase alchemy lab upgrade for Breezehome if Dawnguard is installed http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21328897 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21329102 http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21332035
- Moth Priest has no animations when reading Elder Scroll http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21330422
- Soul Cairn "glow" appears buggy, like a transparent texture overlaying the screen http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21330422
- Player's Drain Life spell does less damage when Serana is a follower http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21326680
- Audio for dogs, wolves and ice wolves does not play http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21333441
- Following fast travel, "Heart Consumed" message appears even if no heart is consumed http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1400758-dawnguard-pc-version-bug-list/page__view__findpost__p__21335465

*Sigh* I mean, this was just found out in the hours of the release?
Did they EVER test their DLC before releasing it from those 30 days it has been on Xbox 360 or even before that again?

Some of these issues should been hot fixed right away!

uh-huh

Are you saying that Skyrim has better gameplay, better story, and better voice acting.. I would say those are the number three things Skyrim lacks..

This times ten. Otherwise it would not have made it in. Laziness has nothing to do with it. In fact, alot of work went in to get their current iterations for the fans to enjoy, which many do. We do try to listen to fans. I would hope that things like the werewolf perk tree would demonstrate that, among the many other fan requested things that we put in

well, i think you guys have done an amazing job. i've only played a portion of Dawnguard so far, but i'm enjoying it a lot. the werewolf perk tree is great

No, I'm saying Arkham City has that. Mark Hamill and Kevin Conroy

I enjoy seeing posts like these, lets us know that you're out there

Like so many others, I also think you guys have done a fantastic job and I'm loving every moment of Skyrim and Dawnguard. It was (and still is) well worth my time and money.

A big THANKS!

agreed :cheers:

if you look at the numbers next to those bugs you'd be seeing the number of reported instences. Alot of those bugs so far have been encountered by one person and are not confirmed.

The purpose of that bug list your quoting is for BGS to investigate (try and replicate the bug, and then figure out how to fix it). One of those bug reports is submitted by me, and i was able to determine with moderate reason that my issue was a hardware problem.

However yes, the ones that are actual bugs that the majority of people encounter consistently should be fixed, hopefully soon.

My Riverwood just got totally wrecked from like two vampires today. It was kinda funny because there was a theif that got caught trying to break into houses all while a mass vampire attack was breaking out.

I busted up those night walkers, shot the thief down with my bow, then reverted to a previous save since I like Riverwood and don't want it to become a ghost town.

Well, thanks for your input and thank you for listening to your fans.

We can only suppose why certain (seemingly simple) features don't make it in, so it's nice to have some clarification from one of the devs themselves. I just wish you would do so more often as it would stop a lot of the confusion and bewilderment on threads like these

The more I play DG, the more I've been noticing reponses to criticisms. I cant claim to be a game design expert, but I had a little stint learning about it (UEL, I believe you have/had a guy who studied there on the team...?) and learned enough to have a small inkling of how much work goes into a game like this. When do y'all sleep? 0.o

i'll give you some constructive critism: i like first person over third person. i'd love to roam the woods as a werewolfe, kill some hunters ect. but it feels less than halfbaked because you're hovering 10 meters behind the werewolf. i can understand that it is hard to create first person mode, but why couldnt we get a option to hover JUST behind it, or something liek that. i barely, if not practically never, use my werewolf form just because 3rd person ruins immersion for me. heck, sometimes it as annoying as the concept camera in AC that has you jump the wrong direction because of the camera stance. so i would like an option to play in first person for transformations as vampire lord, mounted ect. for me, it would just be that finishing touch of those parts of the game to make me truly satisfied with it.

I want 1st person view as well, I don't like this forced 3rd person trend bethesda has going on. It makes me worry how far it will be taken in future titles.

They did cut out first person view for riding a horse and becoming a werewolf.
You had first person view on a horse in Oblivion and first person view for werewolf in Morrowind so..

I'm sure they will keep first person view for next The Elder Scrolls but I don't think they will continue to support it, they will probably make new features, forms, ways of travel (all in third person view -forced style-)