You're not paying attention. My character is a warrior, and if I want to get rid of these items, everyone is going to keep treating me like I'm Gandalf or something.

I can tell this kinda thing wont bother someone like you though. Might as well be explaining this to a brick wall.

It's a RPG, not action adventure!! People like making a character and sticking to a roll. Being the leader or member of every guild is poorly thought out.

You don't have to join the college for the DLC, you just have to talk to a kid in Dragon Bridge, js...

The quest marker points to the college! The smart thing to do would of been multiple markers and the player can choose who to talk to.

Wow... just... wow. Doesnt this make you want to log onto the forum and start posting?

Protest #1: We need jobs!
Protest #2: We need healthcare!
Protest #3: We need to tell people on a computer game forum they're saying the wrong thing

Arent there more important things to whine about?


....Swings both ways doesn't it?


And I agree with what the OP's saying. Bethesda have developed a real habit of railroading people, limiting their choices and making their role playing game not very supportive of role playing. Their game design is deteriorating and I don't think it's a bad thing if players start pointing this out.

I haven't. I've chosen not to. Don't plan to any time soon. I thought that sort of flexibility was what their games were supposed to be about?

Honestly, thats just the problem with story structure. To have a truely immersive, tightly written, connecting, and grand story, some points of it have to be forced. Its a big double edged sword really, do you have complete freedom to do whatever and ignore everything, or do you attempt to have a concise joined plotline. Skyrim, for me, walks the line on that, I honestly believe it should lean a bit more towards the heavy story though.

It's always been the problem with Elder Scrolls games. While my favorite franchise, we can all agree the story is just not as good as say, Dragon Age Origins. That is do to the actual lack of forced story points in Skyrim. It's an incredible hurdle to get past, giving the freedom Elder Scrolls has become known for, and giving the epic stories games are now becoming expected to have. It's a hurdle I don't believe most people recognize or think about.

Yes Bethesda could use some work on it I will agree with you on that, but I'd just like to suggest we sit back and be a bit more understanding of them. Up untill now they never really attempted having questlines quite like they do now, they were all very mission based and seperated in past games. Lets just cut them some slack, as a development team we have personally seen them grow throughout the years, and they need a bit more time, as anybody would, to iron out the kinks of the immense task they have.

Why need hand holding? You ever play morrowind? No quest markers at all. Don't [censored] because you don't know how to explore or talk to people about rumors.

I knew someone would say this! This isn't Morrowind and there are quest markers? Duh. I did play Morrowind btw.

And let's not forget, if you want to join the civil war, well, you have to be the Dovahkiin
If you want to buy 3 ouf of 5 homes, well, you have to be the Dovahkiin
if you want to fight Dragons, well, you have to be the Dovahkiin

Fixed.

If you played morrowind you should be able to get aroun without quest markers and explore, instead of just going directly there.

is that why you joined the forum? to write comments like that?

A number of people have sadly. It's their only form of constructive criticism.


I've had what...ten years to complete Morrowind and I only did that once.

I also only completed Oblivion once as well...still haven't gotten around to beating Skyrim yet however...maybe in a few more years...

Same I have never completed Morrowind I spent all my time typing in console commands, and with oblivion I only beat the DB mages guild and main quest once.

What you on about? I can go around and explore lol. That has nothing to do with it. The guy gives a quest, there is the quest marker at the college, you don't just walk around chatting to random people when you already know where to go lol. You can't assume the developers included more choice either. If the marker points at the college you assume that's the only place to go. Multple markers lets people know that there are other options. Don't blame me because Bethesda included the map markers. The better option would be the quest giver saying you need to go to the mages college but since you don't want to go there (for whatever reason) to talk around town for someone who may know as well. Then the player knows there are other options and you can do some RP too.

To get the Elder Scroll you can head straight to Septimus Signus and get the quest. To get the guy who reads the scrolls, you can ask anybody, like a carriage driver or tavern keeper. So their not forcing you to do anything, which being like most people, you just did not think very far ahead or find a work-around. Think about what your saying before you complain over something thats common sense.

Yup it's unfortunate how the gaming community doesn't really "get" games like Skyrim.

I remember when I was a kid, we used to say that we had completed a game. Nowdays the kids say they "beat" games.

Beat it and trade it in, yessir. People really appreciate and savour their free time with their videogames.

It's been pointed out already, you can only head straight to Septimus if you happen to be psychic and know where he is hanging out. Most people playing the game for the first time unfortunately are not psychic, and needed to ask directions from the College.

Lets ignore the fact that the vast majority of quests in Skyrim ONLY have the markers as a source of direction so that this post seems credible.

I see where the OP is coming from. I'm not as much of an RPer as he is, infact I barely RP at all, but I have played many RPG games and Skyrim simply isn't one. It's an action adventure game. If I did want to RP I would not do it in Skyrim because my chracter direction would be broken so often.

People playing the game for the 1st time shouldnt place so much "attempted perfection" into their 1st character, you will screw up and you have nobody to blame but yourself

Actually we can blame Bethesda for deviating from their usual design modus operandi and making bad choices.

How can a player blame himself for not being psychic? I'm not following this logic.

The Elder Scroll is the POINT of the game titled THE ELDER SCROLLS, of course multiple quests are going to involve it. THINK for once

I generally keep all of my games in case I want to get back to them...I get the feeling I'm part of a dying breed... :sadvultboy:


I've remade my main character so many times now it's not even funny...

Really with games like Skyrim it feels like you need to make numerous characters before you really find your niche in what kind of character you actually like to play.


Malice, I think your sarcasm detector may be faulty...just a tip...

OB, FO3, FONV, and Skyrim i have remade my main multiple times in each of these because we all make decisions we end up regretting