I take it you never bothered to listen to the moth priest, he EXPLAINS that the Scroll is part of the prophecy as it is related to the DRAGONS. THAT scroll is directly connected to Alduin and therefore relates to the time when Alduin and the dragons return therefore fulfilling that part of the prophecy

Before the dlc came out I read threads where people said, I hope Bethesda makes it like Morrowind cause there is to much handholding. Bethesda came out with a dlc where "some" parts of it have no handholding. People are now saying, what? wait? what did you do? fix it? boo-hoo. It is to hard. I cannot figure it out. You asked for it, and they gave it to you.

Before the dlc came ouy I read threads where people said, I hope Bethesda makes more things for vampires and werewolfs to do. We want more dragons. These are not hard enough. Bethesda came out with a dlc that has random attacks with vampires, a vampire tree, a werewolf tree, etc. People are saying, what? wait? what did yoy do? fix it? boo-hoo. We have ghost towns. It is not right. Change it. You asked for it, they gave it to you. Bethesda came out with 2 new dragons. Reverent and Legendary for the "higher-level" players. Either dragon can kill you with one shout. People are now saying, what? where? I cannot find it? Where is it? You asked for it, they gave it to you. A legendary dragon is just that. Hard to find. That is way he is legendary.

The point being, that Bethesda tried to give the fans what they wanted, and the fans do not like the changes, yet they asked for them. Like the saying goes. You can please some of the people some of the time, and all of the people none of the time.

No I'm not a lazy person at all. I'm willing to start a character over multiple times if necessary. And I'll replay quests a bunch of times to get the best results as well. My problem was that I wasn't psychic, nothing else.

When I found out that you could just walk right up to his place and go in there without being directed I was genuinely baffled as to why the quest had a skippable portion.

But I'm glad for you that you're really awesome and never complain about stuff even if it's badly designed. I used to be like that as well, then I realized that companies really don't give a crap if I defend them or not.

Haven't played Dawnguard, so I don't know all the fundamentals of the story, but it's still seems like a cheeky way of cutting corners. Rather than having the two prophecies separate, they tacked the vampire one onto the dragon one. The only reason I can think to do that is it saves you from having to make a new quest and Elder Scroll.

Actually, that was really cool, and made the game seem less linear. Personally I skipped a small section of the MQ but the rest I did in order.


Actually from what I hear you need all three scrolls in Dawnguard - One basically handed to you via Serana (like in the trailer), One you have to quest for, and the dragon scroll.

Non linearity is very cool, but it has to be consistent I think. I like that you can go right to Dad just for the sheer novelty value, didn't say I didn't like design flaws.

But yeah consistency is everything, if 99% of your quests are rigid and linear, then players will never try and complete quests in an our of the box manner because they're being trained to complete quests in a certain way.

Bethesda used to give players a lot more freedom to complete quests how they wanted. Like in Morrowind, which led to some really cool speed runs. Nowdays everything is much more linear. That's fine too, as long as it's consistent.

If that's the case I'll rescind my complaints. I was under the impression that you only had to get one scroll yourself, and it's the same one as you need in the MQ. If I'm mistaken, I apologize, though I still don't see why the one in the MQ has to be tied to Dawnguard, if you still have to adventure for at least one scroll, I suppose it's better than nothing.

I still think it's tying two stories together to keep from having to design another quest. This ties that one Elder Scroll to what? Three quests?

I do understand the problem people are having with regard to roleplaying - unless you're really lucky and stumble into the right ruin/cave there's no real way to explain why your character found the scroll. I guess you could have your character explore every dwemer ruin until they found it but this is rather boring and should really be unnecessary. :/

Awesome contribution. Why are you in this thread, exactly.?

Your post doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I want less hand-holding, but expecting me to read minds and know that there's another way (that was never spoken of. At all. Ever.) to do something is just... silly. What they could have done, is (obviously with better writing);

"You're looking for the scroll? I heard there was some guy... Can't remember his name. Way up North, near Winterhold, digging around in some ruins for one. 'Course, you could always just try the College. I'm sure somebody there would be able to help you."

As for the rest of your post, you're treating me like I personally cried and begged for everything you listed. You know where the people are who asked for those things? Playing the game, because they're happy with the changes. I, however, am not. Why was it okay when they were complaining, but not when I do it?

or you can simply go for a swim then lydia will say "oh a cave, we should check it out!"

As someone who always uses magic I was fine with this. HOWEVER I totally see where you're coming from. Bethesda could have easily given us another dialogue option or another way to get in. Sure you could use the cave but the game doesnt support that because everyone acts like you're a member. since skyrim is more of an action adventure game than a roleplayong game, they didnt even think about it. Yet another reason why, despite my love for the game, it's shallow. Just like my signature says.

She does that with all the caves

I think i discovered it on the first day of the release. I was testing the boundaries and found a strange "outpost" in the middle of no where. Had to check it out. Crazy guy started talking about an elder scroll.

This.

You never have to start the MQ to advance in Dawnguard. There are plenty of work-arounds to where you never have to start the MQ if you don't want to. You also don't have to join the College to find the Moth Priest. Ask any Carriage Driver, City Guards, Inn Keepers, etc. They'll tell you right where to go.

But I guess that would take all the fun out of making a pointless thread.

You're one to talk about pointless.

For the last bloody time, because it's getting really [censored] annoying; I had never done the Daedric quest involving Septimus. I had no idea he existed until I made this thread. Stop acting like it was as easy as me just going there, but being too lazy to. After the first person pointed it out, I went straight there.

Also, the game tells you that you have the option to ask the carriage drivers / innkeepers. Herp-a-derp. It never mentions having any other way to get the Dragon scroll, except going to the college. Any work around involves prior knowledge, which not everyone has. So stop acting like we all know what you do.

Pretty sure there is a back door to the college through it's dungeon thing. You can enter through there and not join the college. And OP as a master thief you should have checked all options and points of entry/escape anyway. How did u become the leader of the thieves guild by automatically using the front door?

That is Friggin hilarious

I never said I was a good thief. Mostly I just keep asking people for their things, to the point where they give them to me just so I leave.

Butt-hurt. Hahah, that's classic

...After we come out of them, usually

There's a backdoor, but just like mine it's exit only. There's a dropoff which cannot be climbed from the outside.

I am a completionist so i go through the questlines mic job and such with all chars if you dont want to do something or have moral obligation to certain events there r always ways around them

Talking to septimus is part of the main quest.

Actually, its part of a daedric quest. It just intertwines with the main quest. I usually have already been to Blackreach long before doing much of the main quest.