Not sure what any of those have in common with Braveheart, but most of them are pretty good.

If you're a historian, or just dislike Mel Gibson, I could see why Braveheart would irk you...

There's not much reason to elsewise, and it is largely considered one of the greatest movies in its genre by the people that actually make movies.

Besides, it's not like Channing freaking Tatum was in the movie for chrissake.

That is a rather simplistic view, but I'll defer to an impasse again.

These absolute generalizations are rather unbecoming I must say.

I can agree with both 2001 and Blade Runner.
Though I mildly enjoyed Fight Club, I found the predecessor
Se7en
an absolute Masterpiece.

I can accept that in more character-driven plots in games. I absolutely love Mass Effect, and while I haven't seen the love scenes in ME2, the one in the first ME was just fine. It came about after the player intentionally moving the relationship toward that end, and contrary to the uninformed media hype about it, there was nothing in it that couldn't be shown in a PG movie, so almost nobody would have an issue allowing their thirteen year old to play the game.

The one in the Witcher just seemed like Skinemax soft-core to me, after I watched it on the internet.

And in Skyrim, it just wouldn't work. The character isn't pre-defined like John Shepard largely is. You can make certain choices for Shepard, but you can't create him from the ground up the way you do with your character in TES.


Dragons always are disorganized. They rarely meet, they're natural loners, and while most of them obey Alduin, they don't get together for coffee.


His saving the PC at Helgen was completely unintentional, and rather ironic in fact.


He wants to wipe out the world. That's reason enough to loathe him.


LOL

Hell no. I normally can't stand franchise-based literature. The handful of Star Wars novels I've read were nerd-bait trash. So were the Star Trek novels, and I'm a big fan of both franchises. You'll never find me reading a Mass Effect or Halo novel. If anybody ever makes an Elder Scrolls novel I wouldn't even dream of reading it.

Romance is fine, but as I said, it belongs in games with more pre-defined characters like Mass Effect, not TES with its entirely player-created PCs. And while the Witcher fits right in with Mass Effect in that respect, I thought that showing that much skin was purely a case of fan service. It's like if LucasArts made a Star Wars game, and had an animated Padme or Leia have a full-nudity six scene in it. Nerd-bait, fan service, whatever you wanna call it, it would be dumb.

I'm a little bit of a history buff, I think that's what did it.

He's an ancient god or demi-god who wants to consume the world. I think that's an incredible story premise.

six in video games (or in other forms of art or literature) for its own sake always tends to be lame. If sensuality naturally flows from the story there is not a thing wrong with it. At all. I haven't played any of The Witcher series, but I plan on getting the 360 port when it comes out mid-year. It is an advlt-oriented RPG. advlts have six. I would rather not control the act of "doin'-it" in the actual game, but if Geralt gets busy whilst resting from demon hunting, it is all good with me. six is not all that scary.

No one here said anything about how six automatically makes an advlt game. So I haven't a clue where your coming from.

six is present in a lot of the stories in the world, they just aren't big on long cutscenes of awkardly animated pixel humping. For which I am profoundly grateful.

TW2 forces you to play one character who's in a relationship with one particular other character (regardless of who you chose in TW1) so they can show scripted scenes like that (which isn't all that good, let's face it). It's just not necessary in an open RPG.

edit- although give credit to CDPR for moving the bar slightly higher than the junior high six cards in TW1

His motivations were all over the place. They say he wants to destroy the world, but he at several points says things to the effect of "I want to make you people into my slaves", and "This world is mine"...so which is it really? Maybe the writers couldn't even properly make up their own minds on something as simple and straight forward as that. Not once, does Alduin himself ever say that he intends to destroy the world, or why.

Am I shallow for saying I would play that Star Wars game?

Yeah, but damnit I would SO buy that.

So you have no idea about the game which means you have not played it yet you judge the game by six scenes.Sorry but an opinion from someone who has not played the game holds no weight at all.

LOL

Well I admit that I'd be Googling to see the scenes myself, just for fun, but it sure would be irrelevant to a game. Might as well just release such an animation on the internet and be done with it. It isn't like anybody's gonna actually buy the game for that when it'll be on the internet to watch mere days after the game comes out.

anyone who believes skyrim's story was award worthy did not play the better games of yesteryear.

Skyrim is about making your own story, and by having the main quest unfold as it does it harms itself in that area by forcing you down a path.

On the Witcher, every single six scene is optional. The first game was juvenile in its portrayal of six to be sure, and there is one instance of such juvenility in 2. ONE. The plot of the Witcher 2's first chapter had better writing than anything bethesda has done in a decade.

Then there is Batman Arkham City, which had an excellent story that kept me interested the whole time. I never felt like my actions didn't matter. (They actually didn't, but the illusion of change is stronger than actual change)

Then there is... Gears of War... with its... ugh... But the fact is that plot was still stronger than skyrim's.

Don't get me wrong here. I love skyrim. But I don't love its story. because that is just a framework to guide you in shaping your character. Not a true narrative.

I'm not judging the game. It might well be a fun game. I'm judging the six scene, which I did in fact watch, and which, as I said, comes across as a cheesy six scene from a B-movie Skinemax feature.

I'm not sure I follow you.
You oppose sixual content in Open World RPGs because of technical issues - properly engendering and rendering six scenes between partners in which one of them is not pre set - or because it doesn't belong there altogether?

I'm not complaining about either Witcher game, since I've played neither. I'm just saying the six scene was a juvenile Skinemax-level scene introduced just as a gimmick.

For myself, both. One, because it isn't likely to be all that good a scene, and two, because even if you think one of the characters looks good, it's still a gimmick designed to get nineteen year olds to buy the game, at the expense of fourteen year olds being able to buy it. Some six scenes are simply shoehorned in to get butts in seats, so to speak. The one in Witcher 2 was, once again, pretty silly in terms of six scenes.

Can both things not be his motivation? Enslave everybody while he consumes the world over time?

You so obviously lack
the European sensibility.

I played quite a few games in 2011, though I didn't play the Witcher. I constantly confuse that game with a Nicholas Cage movie... and really haven't heard to many positive things about it other than there is a six scene.

Skyrim had some very interesting stories in comparison to the rest of the games I played in 2011 for which was the year the award was given.

I don't think that any TES game would win for best story of all time... even within its own genre. It would most likely be a JRPG in all honesty, as much as people may hate to admit it...

read my ninja edit. also, watch a let's play of it, people focus on the six scenes because thats arguably the only bad aspect of the witcher 2.

and the problem people have isn't a single six scene, its that there are many.

SNEAKY!

Kudos, all of you, for remaining topical and civil as we reach the end of this thread.

*EDIT*

I'll agree with that sentiment, but I loathe Gears on a level I cannot describe. Even if that game foretold my future, or gave me lottery numbers... I'd refuse to acknowledge a single positive thing about it.

And that's really the issue here :

Preference.

Just to lighten things up a bit, and wildly OT,

Has anyone watched ?Carnage? by Roman Polansky?

A Must see.
And, Look Ma!, no six scenes.

Only it isn't? The two games are based on a series of novels, that have such things as a part of the setting.

Well the six scenes with prosttutes are meant to be like they are prosttutes and the scene with Triss is a romantically linked character which i think is well done.They are a vast improvement on the shameful Mass Effect scenes.