No, it was unokitsune that said that. Thought you were talking about his comment when you mentioned skirts and was agreeing with you. Sorry shoulda quoted from his message instead of yours.

The Empire is unable to destroy the Thalmor because they are weak...thanks to the incompetence of Titus Mede II. The Thalmor have Elsweyr, Valenwood, factions of the Reachmen and Pyandonea as allies. The Empire had lost half of their allies before the Great War and then lost one of their most powerful allies, Hammerfell, after the signing of the WGC. The Empire is in no position to stand against the Aldmeri Dominion.

Gotcha.

dude, the Nords ARE the Empire

There's things I dislike about both the Empire and the Stormcloaks. I sided with the cloaks first, now I'm siding with the Empire on a new character.

The Empire is weak, and steadily losing power. I prefer the Stormcloaks in every way except that they have NO PLAN WHATSOEVER for dealing with the Thalmor/Aldmeri Dominion. For this reason, I think it may ultimately be better to support the Empire. The Stormcloaks are charitable compared to the elves. They let Dunmer refugees have an entire section of their city for free, even when the elves refuse to help them in any way. No wonder the Stormcloaks throw insults their way. Imagine if you let a homeless man live in a room in your house, and he won't pitch in at all to help you with household chores and does nothing but contribute to squalor within your house. I'd do more than throw insults at him, I'd kick his [censored] out or kill him.

The Dunmer in Windhelm, with the exception of a few, deserve to be tortured slowly for their behaviour at the very least. They're a disgrace. The elves as a whole damned themselves in my eyes with the Night of Tears, and I'd see them all destroyed except for the Orcs and the Dwemer (but they're gone anyway, sadly). So, I support the Stormcloaks entirely except for their lack of a plan for the Aldmeri Dominion.

And herein lies the essence of racism. You have judged that every member of several races in the game don't understand or respect honor. Way to go.

Ulfric is a traitor to the Imperial regime. He jumped ship when things didn't turn out the way he wanted.
Seems pretty childish to me.

Then he has the stones to spoon-feed false hopes to confused Nords and get them to do his bidding while he hides behind his throne in Windhelm.


I enjoyed putting him down like a sick dog.

Um. That's just so wrong. The only Nords who actually "go there" are Ulfric and his ilk....

I think you're a little confused. It was the empire that put out false hope in Markarth to convince Ulfric and his men to take back that city for them- which they lost because they only care about Cyrodiil and pulled all the troops out of the Reach. Then, after he had done what they asked and the Thalmor found out about it, they sold him and his men out and blamed his supposed atrocities for forcing them to consider Talos worship there.

The Empire did not offer overt Talos worship as a reward, Ulfric suggested and demanded his own reward before Legion troops could enter the city. Markarth was in chaos at this time with Ulfric's men in charge and the Empire had little choice but to give consent if they wanted to reestablish order.

There's also some documentation pointing to Thalmor suggesting the reward of Talos worship to Ulfric in his dossier. It is only after the Markarth Incident that he is said to become uncooperative, as if he may have been cooperative before this point. It's my opinion that Ulfric has some sinister motives behind his fight against the Empire, his actions in Markarth being quite supportive of this.

I just keep thinking.... "don't believe anything you hear, and only a quarter of what you read...."

They did offer it. Talk to the jarl in Markarth, he admits it.

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Maybe it's just the book then, it was a mistake to offer it in the first place when things were fine as they were.

Things werent fine for the Jarl - he was deposed. Ulfric got him back in power. He wouldnt have made that promise if he wasnt desperate.

I'm confused. What do you mean 'it was the book'? And things weren't fine- the Forsworn were occupying a major source of mineral wealth.

I am ROFLMAO at this thread. Many of you are playing as a psychopath for hire in the Assassin guild or a thief. You kill or steal without concern for the consequences of others. Others are openly following "demonic" princes for the chance to gain personal power. Some are becoming Vampires, leaching the life forces from others for food and almost all of you are draining the souls from people to power weapons. YET you argue about calling out one race or another? LOL

What a hoot!

Merry Christmas, Everybody.

Yeah, makes sense that he'd be plenty grateful after that. Too bad the Thalmor had to find out about it though.
Sorry, wasn't clear. I was referencing the Bear of Markarth in the last post I'd made. It claimed that Ulfric created his own reward, and the Jarl/Empire signed off on it after.

And that comment about things being fine was in reference to the Talosian persecution, which was not heavily enforced until after the Thalmor arrived to do so themselves.

i don't know what is that honor. with all my pg i sided always with stormcloaks but now...some questions:

1- who i want to rule skyrim?

my opinion Ulfric is better as high king than elisif imperial-thalmor puppet. a strong man who can do what a region need.

2- the ethic problem.

stormcloaks are little racist, BUT a faction that prohibits the worship of talos is not better.

3- the Torygg question. who lies?

the imperials says murder, but if i heard about a challenge accepted by the dead man is murder no more.

the imperial legion starts disadvantaged because they was near to kill you at the begin of the game.

i'm searching for reasons to fight for one or the other...

Its not really about being grateful, its about the jarl keeping his word. He gave his word before Ulfric retook the reach, despite what that book claims.

The Bear of Markarth is the propaganda the empire produced after the fact as CYA material.

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