The forsworn religion involves unwilling human sacrifice. You think they should be free to do that?

Now it is, ironically because of Ulfric.
Should mages be free to preform sacrifices (they are out there) raise the undead, conjure demons?

Perform sacrifices - NO. The other 2 are debatable. Bottom line - its not hypocritical to complain about banning Talos worship while at the same time banning human sacrifice.

If you want to argue that some mages are free to perform sacrifices now then you might as well say that the forsworn are free to practice their religion and ask what they are complaining about.

Both groups do these things outside of the law anyway.

Point me in the direction of the lore where they do the human sacrifice thing please

Have you ever TALKED to the High Elf in Windhelm? She says that since she's helping the Stormcloak cause and is a hard worker, she doesn't get harassed very much. All races are all not very trusting of other races since the decline of the Empire.

Oh and I'm not a Stormcloak supporter because they're the rebel faction. In fact, I HATE the rebel faction unless they're extremely justified by their actions. Heck, the Stormcloaks are barely the rebellion now. They're on equal playing fields.

In reference to Necromancers, is there any law that prohibits the raising of the dead? I'm not talking about breaking into the Jarl's crypt and putting on a puppet show - but raising some dead bandit that tried to rob me? Is it illegal or simply frowned upon by the locals? With the disillusion of the mages guild, there doesn't seem to be any Imperial decree on this.

They shouldn't have come to Windhelm if they don't agree with the Nord spirit! You can't just come to a country and dictate how they should behave. Besides, there are no Argonians in Windhelm, I think you mixed it up with Dunmer.

I'm a Stormcloak because I want to preserve Nordic culture and faith. Skyrim should be its own land, not part of some dirty empire! Skyrim for the Nords, Cyrodiil for the Imperials, Hammerfell for the Redguards! (In a typical Nordic accent.)

The point isn't really whether or not they are racist I think, the choice is between supporting a movement for national liberation from the Empire, or supporting the Empire because you think it's a safer bet against the Thalmor.

The thing is there are really bad things about both of them. The Empire is well, an Empire and clearly has a policy of appeasemant towards the Thalmor, wheres the Stormcloaks are backwoods and xenophobic, and don't seem to have a real plan beyond rebellion. So you have to make your decision based on more than just how individual members of the faction might act, or even how much you like the idea of the faction. Also if I recall there are a few places where it's implied that the racism of the Stormcloaks is not across the board...Ulfric did invite the dark elf refugees to Windhelm, things just went south once they got there. The racism that exists within the stormcloaks ranks and cities seems to be due to ignorance, rather than design.

War and economic hardships tend to bring out racism in people also, there are always convenient "others" to blame, like the dude in the windhelm bar does. It doesn't seem like the Stormcloaks are really catering to people like this exactly though.

None of them are actually that racist really. They are suspicious of all the other races because of the Thalmor hating Men, and the whole Nord glory thing is probably just cultural, and something they don't think other races would understand therefore they don't favour them. So wanting to worship Talos, a god of Men, is probably why they don't care for other races and let them live in slums or work under minimum wage.

Basically their racism is fueled by the Thalmor and the great war.

I already tried that

On the topic of the Forsworn. It wouldn't really matter what their religious beliefs are, they want the same exact thing as the Stormcloaks, they want The Reach to be returned to them (as it was their land first) and they want religious freedom, that is exactly what the Stormcloaks want.

So, you're saying that only a Nord can understand honor? Isn't that racist?
Posts like this make me want to have a "like" button on these forums.

You can see the results of it in just about any forsworn camp. Also there is Red Eagle's Rite which implies it.
"Having bathed the blade in human blood, present it at Rebel's Cairn together with your sacrifice and intone:..."

Racist or not..The Storcloaks are still far more competent than the Empire...

Skyrim in general is racist. The stormcloaks from what I've seen are a bit worse than the imperials when it comes to racism, but they are not the only people in the game to show it.

Thats the only thing I can find so far on sacrifice, and its willing.

Have you forgot about the Redguard farmer on his "way to Windhelm to join up with the Stormcloaks"? He says that "Ulfric's got the right of it". Also there's a Dunmer farmer outside Windhelm who claims that he earns respect as long as he works for the common good. Just saying.

I do understand that it might be hard for someone who isn't a Nord to accept that Skyrim belongs to the Nords, but all they want is to preserve their traditions.

Well played, Sir Troll.

That was thousands of years ago. It would be like the Sami demanding that Sweden and Norway give them the northern half of both of their countries.

Honor and glory? Tell that to the Argonians and Khajit.

I have a feeling some would be fine if it was the Redguards who were fighting for their land...

Xenophobia is just part of the lore for a lot of races.


Altmer - Definitely feel their superior to all races, if not xenophobic.
Dunmer- The same as the Altmer, but more underhanded about it.
Nords - Out and out xenophobes. Remember their comments from
Morrowind? "You Dunmer are all the same." "Seen any Elves
lately?"
Argonians - Also Xenophobe.

Is it just more offensive coming from a quasi-realistic human race?

Yeah, they can be racist all they like. They're basicly just uncivilized pigs.

Call another Dunmer a "grey-skin", and after the lizards are dealt with..



The filthy dogs are all going to die.

Actually the Whiterun Jarl is neutral(which causes problems for both sides) and the Imperials ponder if Whiterun becomes controlled by Ulric, they might have to lay seige. Ulric's response to Whiterun's neutrality is murder him like he did the Emperor (by cheating)- - real 'honorable' btw- - and his 2nd in command is even more bloodthirsty. And Whiterun's Jarl has an Imperial as his ..clerk(?), and a dark elf as his thane and a high elf as his mage.....this is clearly not a racist Jarl. Good thing HE isn't the Usurper Ulric is.....otherwise he would make a much more credible leader of the Nords and make the choice between the Stormcloaks or the Empire much more difficult!

If anyone really has ANY difficulty in grasping how the Nords are being ill-served by Ulric....merely go stand and listen to both sides speak. And they DO speak about many things that are crucial to picking one side or the other. Once you listen for just a few minutes in both the headquarters for both factions, the decision is quite simple and the leaders opinions are pretty clear. Ulric is a racist, self-serving a**hole and I for one shall be killing him and his lackeys when they are no longer needed for questlines.

By all means, elaborate...