To all you who think stormcloaks are racist

Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 1:50 pm

Here, because you don't understand, let me help you by giving -YOU- a reason that I feel all Stormcloak Jarl's are a bunch of Cowards/Racist jerks. Let's start with the Jarl of Dawnstar, Skaald the Elder. When you first arrive into the town of Dawnstar, provided you are lucky and don't get attacked by a dragon, you approach the Jarl's longhouse only to find Skaald outside yelling at 2 retired Imperial Legionares who have lived in Dawnstar all of their lives prior to joining the Imperial Legion. Skaald threatens to execute them first chance he gets if and when he finds out that these two retirees are Imperial Spys. He never lost his spoilt brat attitude and quite frankly reminds me of alot of young kid gamers who have a bone to pick with everyone and needs to remind everyone of their Superiority. The Jarl of Winterhold with the bratty child. Blames the elves and all mages no matter the race for the destruction of Winterhold 80+ years ago ((or 4 score)) Too greedy to spend his money on repairing the city he wants to spend it on you, the Dovakiin he's most likely insulted at least twice over when you first meet him, because he wants a long lost helmet yadda yadda yadda. His brat of a child likes to "play" "Kill the Elf" when the nord girl in the tavern in other words he likes to bully her despite her being a nord because his nere'do well of a father said all elves and mages are bad. The former Jarl of Falkreath, Dagain or whatever his name is, is suspicious and distrustful of -EVERYONE- Even those who have been loyal to him from the begining to the end of his Jarl-hood. He makes you break into one's house and if he becomes Jarl again he gets rid of all the good staff namely the poor elf that has to run Falkreath because the young imperial side Jarl only likes Jarl for it's perks. He replaces his steward with his made the only person he trusts even though she can't do crap for stewardship. Then there is Laila Law Giver, stormcloak side Jarl of Riften. Up until today I had alot of respect for her. I started a new character again and it initiated much dialouge I had previously missed considering other NPC's liked to over talk the conversation I'm trying to here to talk to me. She disowns her youngest son because he spoke his opinion of Ulfric only cares for Ulfric. Her other son, some jerk with a dagger is far too lazy and feels too self important to pick up his sword that had to be fixed by the blacksmith because the son somehow broke the sword by smashing it into a wall which he disguises his poor aim on the account of his sparring partner ducking..... But the conversation I heard today, which I took pictures of but havn't loaded them up yet, The Jarl was concerened about the dragon attacks and was planning out with her steward of what to do when they came. Fine right? Well that's what I thought too except the steward mentioned about readying the Jarl's carriage just in case and the Laila quickly said "Good if a dragon attacks a city it's better that the Jarl be spared" After hearing that I have become convinced that all the Stormcloak Jarls are bloody cowards and don't care about their people and just need to b**h at everyone that's not them. Course it doesn't help that Ulfric has a weapon called Steel Axe of Cowardice or the fact his bodyguard and second in command was mysteriously not present for when Ulfric got captured otherwise he would of been at the block too which makes me question his loyalty, but it also doesn't help with tidbits of the conversation. And Ralof? I compared both of their dialouges both Hadvar's and Ralof's Ralof sounds way more unsure and timid and when you partner with him going into the keep is much slower than with Hadvar's. Then if you kill Ulfric before you get to Sovangard Ulfric, in a style all practice, speaks to you in a Poem about how he was wrong about the war how Imperial and Stormcloak are all equal here and all are doomed to be here because of Alduin. He's more scared than his men and refuses to budge from his damn spot even if you wish to escort him ((he's near some kind of mountain hill which sits in front before you meet Tsun)) Now don't get me wrong, Maven Black-Briar is used to getting her way and gets both the Theives Guild and the Dark Brotherhood to do her bidding ((I'm assuming before you take leadership of both)) and get rid of people that even scoff at her and she comes off as super duper snottty, the fact is she never abandoned the city and she stood fast when the Thieves guild hit a rough patch and was very eager to help them out. Now she did put that elf steward of Laila's into position on account of Maven only wants her black briar mead to be sold and none of the honeybrew and such, but she won't abandoned her people on account of she wants them all. She can't have that if they all die. Now sure, despite joining Imperial ((which is better for everyone)) I really wanted to kill that da** B*** that ordered your execution and I only got that option when I joined ralof which I did in an effort to reset the radiant story on account of the glitch because I really wanted to activate the 'Blood on the Ice' quest to get the damned Hjerm ((which Tova and the guards make it sound like Harem)) and I was appauled by the stormcloak side. And if you join Stormcloak you essentially are making it so a poor grieving widow has to work for the man who murdered her husband because he couldn't be taken seriously before. Now I don't know about you, but I refuse to work for someone who comes into my house and kills someone I love even if it's a cat or dog and then demand I work for them. I would most likely kill the bastard. And if he didn't kill my animals but choose to smash my PC and Xbox 360 into Oblivion and make off with my collector's edition copies it would be just as bad. Ulfric is that criminal he is your PC Smasher, and you work for him.

WOW.

I never really liked the Stormcloaks; only a few of their members/supporters dut DAMN. I never knew that about most of the Jarls, but it just leaves an even worse taste in my mouth about the Stormcloaks. For the record though, I wanted to kill that Imperial Captain so I went with Ralof through Helgen Keep and my wish was granted. I do feel like I kind of betrayed him when I didn't join the Stormcloaks but I couldn't bare to join such a selfish and racist organization.
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Rachel Briere
 
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:46 pm

Racist or not it's their homeland so them do what they will with it.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:49 am

Most of the Jarls on both sides have serious problems.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:51 am

Dont you guys see that the empire is this games equivelant of the nazi's? not only are they Nazi's they are also p***y's,sort of like the french in ww2
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 2:40 pm

Dont you guys see that the empire is this games equivelant of the nazi's? not only are they Nazi's they are also p***y's,sort of like the french in ww2

Care to explain?
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:37 pm

I think the empire was based on the Romans. They certainly look Roman. Anyway, comparing them to the Nazis is definitely not accurate. The Nazis would never accept anyone who wasn't aryan. The empire accepts and welcomes all races. In a way, there more like star trek's federation.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:30 pm


If anyone really has ANY difficulty in grasping how the Nords are being ill-served by Ulric....merely go stand and listen to both sides speak. And they DO speak about many things that are crucial to picking one side or the other. Once you listen for just a few minutes in both the headquarters for both factions, the decision is quite simple and the leaders opinions are pretty clear. Ulric is a racist, self-serving a**hole and I for one shall be killing him and his lackeys when they are no longer needed for questlines.

I did and came away with a completely different take. Ulfriic wants Skyrim for the Nords and doesnt care how much blood is spilled to get that done. Tullius is a lying bastard that changes his story from one breath to the next. First its "If Balgruuf wont let us house our troops there then LET ulfriic burn whiterun", then 2 seconds later its "Send a letter to Balgruuf telling him Ulfriics plans - embellish it if you need to".
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:19 am

Dont you guys see that the empire is this games equivelant of the nazi's? not only are they Nazi's they are also p***y's,sort of like the french in ww2

The Thalmor are Nazis. The Empire is (or was at least) a cosmopolitain government that exists to (ideally) keep law and order in Tamriel. So long as your traditions don't hurt anyone or the Empire and your government pays taxes to support the Empire, you can lead the same life you lived before the Empire. Even then, there are some exceptions like the Dunmer's practices of necromancy, slavery, and Daedra worship.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:46 am

Stormcloaks/Jarl Ulfric = Racist(s)
OP's arguements seem to not exist at all
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 4:05 pm

Supporting Tullius because he is keeping the Thalmor from attacking is like supporting Moussolini because he is keeping Hitler out of Italy.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:06 pm

About the Stormcloaks being racist to the Dark Elves in Windhelm,
1. Read "The Dunmer of Skyrim"
2. The Dark Elves in Morrowind were worse or just as bad. Little taste of their own medicine.
3. Talk to the Altmer vendor in Windhelm. Ask her if she gets trouble. You'll see what I mean.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:06 pm

Supporting Tullius because he is keeping the Thalmor from attacking is like supporting Moussolini because he is keeping Hitler out of Italy.

Except Tullius isn't working with the Thalmor because he wants to; it's because he has no choice. In fact, he outright hates them. His right hand is a Talos-worshipper for crying out loud.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:44 pm

Except Tullius isn't working with the Thalmor because he wants to; it's because he has no choice. In fact, he outright hates them. His right hand is a Talos-worshipper for crying out loud.

Spoiler

He had a choice when he supported the Thalmor sitting in on the peace treaty. Even subservient he could have said nothing, but he actively defended the Thalmor being there.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:44 pm

It is going to be interesting to see how this will all work out in the end. Thanks Alaric the Visagoth for your beautiful words.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 8:43 am

About the Stormcloaks being racist to the Dark Elves in Windhelm,
1. Read "The Dunmer of Skyrim"
2. The Dark Elves in Morrowind were worse or just as bad. Little taste of their own medicine.
3. Talk to the Altmer vendor in Windhelm. Ask her if she gets trouble. You'll see what I mean.

1. Because one book whose author is never seen in-game represents the entire race.
2. Same with Altmer in their homeland. If anything, it should be High Elves being mistreated because the Thalmor consist mostly of Altmer.
3. Would the same be true if the Grey Quater was the Golden Quarter?
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:56 am

Most of you are fools, indeed...This should not be about who's right or wrong between the Empire and the Stormcloaks. It's so much deeper than that...The Thalmor seek to bring destruction to the mortal world. The "Bug in Jar" Prophecy shall shed some light on this...Perhaps in the new DLC...
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 12:01 pm

Spoiler

He had a choice when he supported the Thalmor sitting in on the peace treaty. Even subservient he could have said nothing, but he actively defended the Thalmor being there.

And Jarl Uflric's rebellion falling into the Thalmor's plans is any better? The Thalmor released Ulfric from their prison for a reason; he's an unwitting tool for the Dominion. At least Tullius is trying to atone for his mistakes.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:14 pm

Spoiler

He had a choice when he supported the Thalmor sitting in on the peace treaty. Even subservient he could have said nothing, but he actively defended the Thalmor being there.

because it would be soooo smart to act like a dike and show them your hate?
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 7:34 pm

They shouldn't have come to Windhelm if they don't agree with the Nord spirit! You can't just come to a country and dictate how they should behave. Besides, there are no Argonians in Windhelm, I think you mixed it up with Dunmer.
There aren't any in Windhelm because they're forced to remain outside on the docks, living in a single room called the 'Argonian Assemblage'. And wanting to live in the city is 'dictating how they should behave'? If that's the case, if someone forces a group of people to live in slums just because of who they are, damn right I'm going to dictate how they should behave.

Ulfric is a punk and deserved the death he received.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 5:59 pm

1. Because one book whose author is never seen in-game represents the entire race.
2. Same with Altmer in their homeland. If anything, it should be High Elves being mistreated because the Thalmor consist mostly of Altmer.
3. Would the same be true if the Grey Quater was the Golden Quarter?
meh im not going to argue; not like youll change your point of view and not like ill change mine, so lets all just get along, and agree to disagree, m'kay?
but before i go...
1. Because one book whose author is never seen in-game represents the Markarth Incident.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 10:44 am

And Jarl Uflric's rebellion falling into the Thalmor's plans is any better? The Thalmor released Ulfric from their prison for a reason; he's an unwitting tool for the Dominion. At least Tullius is trying to atone for his mistakes.

No no, the Thalmor wants the Civil War to stay a Civil War. Both the Empire and Stormcloaks are pawns to them. Whether or not either side wins, the Thalmor are hurt pretty badly.

In any case, the Dumner of Windhelm...now talk to the High Elf and she'll say something in the lines of "I've proved myself to be a hard worker and worthy of living in Windhelm so the Nords don't really bother me. The Dumner, if they swallow their pride and actually help the Nords and prove themselves to the Nords, then they'll be better off."

Ulfric gave the Dumner a home and the only reason they're living like crap is because the Dumner aren't really doing anything to prove themselves. Nords are a group of people who respect honor and tradition. Not to mention that in troubled times, racism is brought out. Just look at America right now. A lot more racial problems going now than in the 1990s.

As for Khajiit not being allowed in Windhelm...well it's for their safety as well as the Nords. Literally NO races trusts Khajiit so it's in everybody's interest if they just stay in tents.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:45 am

meh im not going to argue; not like youll change your point of view and not like ill change mine, so lets all just get along, and agree to disagree, m'kay?

M'kay :foodndrink:
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:18 am

The Nords are racist no matter who is in charge the only difference is the empire will put people in charge who aren't going to force dark elves to live in slums or not allow khajiit and argonians inside their cities
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:44 am

No no, the Thalmor wants the Civil War to stay a Civil War. Both the Empire and Stormcloaks are pawns to them. Whether or not either side wins, the Thalmor are hurt pretty badly.

In any case, the Dumner of Windhelm...now talk to the High Elf and she'll say something in the lines of "I've proved myself to be a hard worker and worthy of living in Windhelm so the Nords don't really bother me. The Dumner, if they swallow their pride and actually help the Nords and prove themselves to the Nords, then they'll be better off."

Ulfric gave the Dumner a home and the only reason they're living like crap is because the Dumner aren't really doing anything to prove themselves. Nords are a group of people who respect honor and tradition. Not to mention that in troubled times, racism is brought out. Just look at America right now. A lot more racial problems going now than in the 1990s.

As for Khajiit not being allowed in Windhelm...well it's for their safety as well as the Nords. Literally NO races trusts Khajiit so it's in everybody's interest if they just stay in tents.

At least the Empire is aware of this and they clearly don't like it. In fact I'm pretty sure that they're the next target for the Empire if they quell the rebellion in Skyrim. The Stormcloaks are oblivious by comparison.

Except the Dunmer don't really see the point in proving themselves. Yes it's stupid, but it's not exactly on their list of priorities considering they just had their homeland destroyed and their way of life ruined. They're looking for a place to live, not honor, respect, or friendship. What they're asking for from the Nords is to be left alone. Not preferential treatment. They have jobs, opened businesses, and they're willing to work. It's not like they're svcking on the teat and not giving anything back in return. And for the Altmer, she still has a home to go to, and as far as we now, the Altmer population in Windhelm is barely in the double digits, compared to an entire refugee community.

I agree with the Khajiit part though. Sad really.
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Post » Fri Jun 01, 2012 11:23 am

because it would be soooo smart to act like a dike and show them your hate?

No, like I said - it would have been better for him to say nothing than actively support the Thalmor agent.
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