What is ironic is the Great Hero Gormlaith Golden-Hilt is a female and out of her party of 3 was the only one with balls enough to jump onto a dragon's back and give him the final blow before she faces Alduin and he kills her. Before her brother was adamamant that Feldir the Old do not use the kell, Elder Scroll, To defeat Alduin. The moment she dies he looses that goal and encourages feldir to use the scroll.

Btw, you are awesome for having a Game of Thrones profile

and: iv said it once i'll say it again, jagartharn is a god among men

Trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls trolling trolls. Thank you goodnight.

This is the single most ignorant thing I've read on the internet. Thank you. It's always nice to know you can see new lows each and every day. As a progressive this couldn't make me more depressed.



While I understand etymology might not be everybody's strong suit, you're clearly not understanding how "mankind" isn't inherently sixist. The word came to be during a time when women were not considered equal. Think about it, it's not very complicated.



You're losing me...



That's not why you're an idiot, no. You can speculate all you want but what does that prove? I like to speculate on the effects of a healthy diet on the mind but it doesn't mean anything unless I've done any research.



Really now. Ok. See, because I'd call those people superficial and call them out for exactly the same thing. Whose society are we talking about here?



Actually, I think it's most men's complete lack of self-esteem which leads them to their more misogynistic behaviour.



Oh I was born upset, friend. But trust me, there's no hidden meanings out there. They're very loud and clear. And if there were anything "hidden", why is it in hiding? Is there something there which needs to be hidden?



That seems more your problem than mine. You know, "I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you" comes to mind here.



Thank you for at least chipping one chunk of misanthropy off my cold, black heart. This thread is one of the least encouraging bits of humanity I've been a part of recently.

And besides. More Male warriors than Female is natural. Most men have a natural desire to bash things apart with a stick. Doesn't mean they're any better at it than a woman, they just do it a lot more often.

I Love Skyrim and I even have the collector's edition and it's a great game. A recent fight though has made me make an account here, away from UESP, because I have something I need to get off my chest and I want Bethesda to hear it.

Anyone familiar with "MiracleofSound" on Youtube I'm not sure if you heard his "Sovngarde" Song which he made in honor of this great game. Now don't get me wrong it's a great song however,

when I suggested to him that he change just a few lyrics, he and all his fans attacked me. In part of his lyrics you hear "Sons of the Snow" and "These Men of the North" I had asked him he changed it to "Children of snow" "Children of the North" as it encompasses both genders.

A lot of males didn't like this. To them using Men and Sons holds more power than using Women and daughters. It went into a war where even though I was making up a valid point, they didn't want to hear it and even Miracle didn't like the suggestion/critique and he felt as though I was insulting him which I wasn't. I was however argueing with some of his fans.

They did bring up a valid point though. In the Dragonborn song, sung in the dragon language, -there is NO mention of a female just a male-

And in the dragon language you will find "King" "husband" "Man" but you will not find "Woman" "Wife" "Queen" you'll find "Maiden" and "Princess" but that is it. The akaviri predicted the Dragonborn to be male, and every main character for Bethesda by default has been Male. However the language leaves out female as does the songs.

What is ironic is the Great Hero Gormlaith Golden-Hilt is a female and out of her party of 3 was the only one with balls enough to jump onto a dragon's back and give him the final blow before she faces Alduin and he kills her. Before her brother was adamamant that Feldir the Old do not use the kell, Elder Scroll, To defeat Alduin. The moment she dies he looses that goal and encourages feldir to use the scroll.

There are women heroes in Sovngarde and players can pick to choose a female character, so why is there no word in the dragon language to describe Female, Wife, Queen etc?

Obviously many gamers feel that men are more important and men hold power. Yet when I play Skyrim I see that Bethesda has made many men Lazy Stupid Racist Alchoholics. The only thing these guys do is drink their wive/sister/parents money away. Birna in Winterhold who runs the shop, her lazy good-for-nothing brother drinks all of -her- money away because he's so pitiful about the woman he loves leaving him. Alot of old men stop working saying they are too old to work yet the women continue to do so. 2 are alchemists 1 in Dawnstar and 1 in Solitude while there is a Jewler in Whiterun wive of the best smith in SKyrim.

I don't mean to start a fight here especially this being my first post but I do not understand why, bringing up these points, that I get mauled by every single male who feels as though I'm being "too Harsh". Some have gone even so far to tell me that "Women serve men, women served men for many years, women are not allowed to say anything!"

I don't think that's fair and I don't think Bethesda should support this. I think there needs to be a gender neutralization of both the Dragonborn song and in the Dragon Language.

Here is an easy to read dragon language: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Dragon_Language

...really? I'm a girl and it doesn't bother me in the slightest. Seems more realistic, honestly, and also fitting considering the vast majority of this game's players are male.

In western countries, equality is the norm, maybe I'm just stupid or you misunderstood me.

Woman has the word man in it, Wo-MAN, MAN, MAN-kind, same as the reason dog is the default not [censored].
Man is just the main word for the race of man, if that is considered sixist then so is calling someone an actor not Movie-Star

Free speech means I am entitled to be as ignorant/speculative as I want

-the rest-

Ehhhh...



Equal how? Having the right to vote doesn't instantly mean equality; there are still various past legislations to address and fix. I should note that equality between two groups in society is fundamentally impossible. This means we should strive for fairness, however "fairness" may be defined in the current generation.



Does that not subtly convey the power that men have over women in the English language? Women are defined by men, but not necessarily the reverse?



Deflection. Granted, the original point for this response was basically a red herring.



Ehh, whatever. Rhetoric.

Ehhhh...



Equal how? Having the right to vote doesn't instantly mean equality; there are still various past legislations to address and fix. I should note that equality between two groups in society is fundamentally impossible. This means we should strive for fairness, however "fairness" may be defined in the current generation.
Right to vote, right to go for the same jobs, right to education
They have equality in society, whether individuals choose to go with societies norms or be an ass is entirely up to them. These days they are in the minority



Does that not subtly convey the power that men have over women in the English language? Women are defined by men, but not necessarily the reverse?
Depends on how you see it. I see how you could take it as sixist, I choose not too. Although as a man I don't really have the same perpective, as an Indigenous Australian I find it hard to see how the 'n' word is not considered racist by some


Deflection. Granted, the original point for this response was basically a red herring.

I think it files under rhetoric

Ehh, whatever. Rhetoric.

I like how your quote is from Craig Ferguson. I'm sure he's never made a sixist comment.

Right to vote, right to go for the same jobs, right to education
They have equality in society, whether individuals choose to go with societies norms or be an ass is entirely up to them. These days they are in the minority

Depends on how you see it. I see how you could take it as sixist, I choose not too.

We're much the same. We've never, ever made sixist remarks, especially not in this thread.
I wouldn't be 100% sure


Yes, but there are still inequalities, which I admittedly view as minor. Difference in pay grades, etc.
I suppose this depends on the job, office jobs get the same in Aus. to my knowledge, but I don't really know anyones paypacket but my own.



What's the phrase? "I guess we're at an impasse?" We'll have to agree to disagree. Hopefully, though, I've left you with some food for thought.
And I you, O honorable Riddler

It's a representation of reality.

Women are well represented in Skyrim but I still agree with the fact that they should be mentioned in the lore and such... You are being attacked because these people are, in general, immature and don't like the fact that women might ever be considered their actual equals... That's their problem...